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Omar Zaki

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Just to add another perspective - before you jump to IRC 1341, you should check your partnership agreement carefully for any specific tax provisions related to recoupment of tax distributions. Some agreements have language that specifically addresses this issue and may provide for special allocations in the year of forfeiture. In one fund I worked with, there was actually a mechanism for giving negative allocations in the year of departure to offset prior phantom income, which was more favorable than using claim of right. It's worth reviewing the specific tax distribution and clawback provisions in your documents.

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I've gone through the partnership agreement a few times now, and while there are extensive provisions about tax distributions and clawbacks, there's nothing specifically addressing the tax treatment when someone leaves before vesting. The agreement basically just says I have to return all tax distributions related to unvested carry, which I did. Would the absence of specific tax remediation language make IRC 1341 the default approach?

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Omar Zaki

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Yes, if there's no specific remediation mechanism in the partnership agreement, then IRC 1341 would be the appropriate default approach. That's actually quite common - many partnership agreements focus on the economic mechanics of clawbacks but don't address the tax consequences for the individual partner. In this case, you recognized income in 2022, paid tax on it, and then in 2024 you had to return the related distributions because you no longer had a right to that income. That's precisely what the claim of right doctrine is designed to address. Just make sure you have solid documentation of both the original income recognition and the repayment.

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AstroAce

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Has anyone considered the timing implications here? Since you repaid in 2024, the IRC 1341 benefit would apply to your 2024 tax return, which you won't file until 2025. That's a long time to wait for relief when you've already had to repay a substantial amount.

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Chloe Martin

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You could adjust your 2024 withholding or estimated tax payments to account for the expected IRC 1341 credit. That way you get the cash flow benefit sooner rather than waiting for the 2024 return to be filed in 2025.

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - you should really consider setting up an LLC before starting this job. It's not that expensive (usually under $200 depending on your state) and it gives you personal liability protection. Without an LLC, if someone gets hurt on the job or something goes wrong with the concrete work, your personal assets could be at risk. Plus it makes the tax situation cleaner since you can get an EIN and use that instead of your SSN for all the paperwork. Just my two cents after learning this lesson the hard way on a roofing project last year.

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Miguel Diaz

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Interesting point about the LLC. Is it something I can set up quickly? This job is starting in about two weeks, so I'm not sure if there's enough time. And would I need to get insurance too if I form an LLC?

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You can usually set up an LLC in just a few days in most states. Many states have online filing systems now where you complete everything electronically. Once approved, you immediately get your filing documents, then you can apply for an EIN online with the IRS and get it instantly. Yes, you absolutely should get insurance regardless of whether you form an LLC or not. At minimum, you need general liability insurance for a construction project. The LLC helps protect your personal assets, but insurance is what covers actual claims. Many general contractors won't even let you on the jobsite without proof of insurance, so check if that's required in your contract.

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CosmicCowboy

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What tax software are you guys using for filing once the project is done? I did some contracting work last year and TurboTax completely messed up my Schedule C and I ended up owing penalties.

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I switched to FreeTaxUSA last year after having issues with TurboTax. Way cheaper and handled my Schedule C and all my 1099 income perfectly. Their interface for business expenses is actually easier to use than TurboTax in my opinion.

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Rita Jacobs

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Just to add to what others have said - there's another important detail about the BE-12 survey that might apply to your brother's situation. If the foreign person acquired their ownership interest AFTER the benchmark survey year ended, they might not need to file for that particular survey. For example, if your brother acquired his 15% stake in 2023, after the 2022 benchmark year ended, he wouldn't be subject to the 2022 BE-12 survey requirements. He would, however, need to be included in the next benchmark survey (2027 for fiscal year 2027) or potentially in other BEA surveys in between.

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Harold Oh

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Thanks for pointing this out! My brother actually bought his shares in mid-2021, so it sounds like the 2022 survey period would definitely apply to his investment. Do you know if there's any grace period or process for late filing if he missed the deadline?

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Rita Jacobs

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If your brother bought his shares in mid-2021, then yes, his ownership would need to be reported in the 2022 benchmark survey. Regarding late filing, the BEA does have a process for this. They generally encourage companies to file even if they've missed the deadline. While there are potential civil penalties for failing to file (up to $48,000), the BEA typically works with businesses to get the information rather than immediately imposing fines. Your brother should contact the company and encourage them to file as soon as possible, explaining it's better to file late than not at all. The company can also reach out to the BEA directly to explain the situation and their intention to file.

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Khalid Howes

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Quick question - does anyone know if this BE-12 requirement applies if the foreign investment was made through an LLC rather than directly as an individual? My cousin from Canada set up an LLC in Delaware and then that LLC invested in a US C-Corp. Not sure if that changes anything with these filing requirements.

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Ben Cooper

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From my understanding, the structure you're describing doesn't exempt your cousin from these requirements. The BEA looks at the ultimate beneficial owner when determining foreign investment. If a foreign person owns an LLC that then invests in a C-Corp, the foreign ownership "passes through" the LLC for purposes of the BE-12 survey.

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Is it normal for tax preparers to disclaim all liability for mistakes and errors in their contracts?

So I've been using a CPA for about 8 years now after ditching TurboTax when it made a huge error that triggered an IRS audit. The audit was a complete nightmare that dragged on for almost 2 years and cost me thousands in penalties. The whole reason I switched to a professional tax preparer was because I thought they'd take responsibility for their work and I wouldn't have to worry about mistakes sneaking through due to my own tax ignorance. But two things are really bugging me about my current accountant: First, their contract specifically states they are NOT responsible for errors or omissions, NOT responsible for advising against questionable deductions, and NOT responsible for any penalties or additional taxes that might result from their work. This seems crazy to me! Isn't the whole point of hiring a professional that they're accountable for the quality of their work? Second, they send me this massive paper questionnaire every year that's basically identical to the same questions TurboTax asked. I spend hours filling it out, gathering documents, organizing everything, and sending it all in. It feels like I'm doing all the same work as before but paying 4x more for someone to just input what I gathered into their software. Am I missing something here? Why am I paying hundreds more if I'm still doing all the legwork AND they have zero accountability if they screw up? Is this actually standard practice with tax preparers these days?

To answer your original question - yes, it's completely normal for tax preparers to have disclaimers about not being responsible for errors. I've used three different CPAs over the years and they all had similar language in their agreements. The reality is that tax preparers rely on the information YOU provide to them. They can't verify whether the numbers you give them are accurate. The paperwork is actually them covering their own behinds because ultimately, you sign the return and you're responsible for what's on it. That said, a good CPA should be doing more than just data entry. Mine reviews everything for consistency with prior years, asks questions when something looks unusual, and provides actual tax planning advice throughout the year.

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Do you think there's a major difference between CPAs and non-CPA tax preparers in terms of quality and services? I've been using an Enrolled Agent and wondering if I should switch to a CPA.

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There can be significant differences between CPAs and other tax preparers, but credentials alone don't tell the whole story. CPAs have broader accounting knowledge and must meet strict education and continuing education requirements, which can be helpful for complex situations or if you need accounting services beyond tax preparation. Enrolled Agents specialize specifically in taxation and are licensed by the IRS, so many EAs are actually more knowledgeable about tax matters than some CPAs. What matters most is finding someone with experience in your specific tax situation - whether that's small business issues, investment properties, foreign income, etc. Ask about their typical clients and whether they have specialized knowledge relevant to your circumstances.

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Has anyone here tried going back to tax software after using a CPA? I'm considering it after paying $825 last year for what felt like them just plugging my info into their own version of TurboTax.

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Max Knight

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I did! Went back to TurboTax after 3 years with a CPA. For my relatively simple situation (W-2 income, mortgage, some investments), it worked fine and saved me about $650. The software has gotten better over the years. Just make sure you don't have anything super complicated.

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Mia Alvarez

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Check your transcript!!! I waited for 4 months and finally checked my transcript online and saw code 570 (additional account action pending) followed by 971 (notice issued). A week later I got a letter saying they adjusted my refund amount by $320 because I had calculated a credit wrong. 2 weeks after that I finally got my refund. The "Where's My Refund" tool was useless the entire time.

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What's the easiest way to check your transcript? I tried making an account on irs.gov but got stuck in their verification process.

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Sophia Long

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I'm having the exact same issue! Filed in February and STILL waiting for my $3,450 refund. Called the IRS twice and both times they just said "it's still processing, be patient." Like HOW much more patient can I be?! This money was supposed to help pay for my daughter's braces months ago.

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Same boat! It's absolutely wild that they can just hold onto our money indefinitely with zero explanation. Have you received any letters in the mail at all? I haven't gotten anything which makes me think they aren't actually reviewing anything specific. Just a giant backlog they're slowly working through.

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