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Has your friend checked his transcript from the IRS? That would show if he actually has any outstanding tax debt from 2013. He can get it online at irs.gov/transcripts if he can verify his identity, or request it by mail. That would be my first step before doing anything else.

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Zoe Stavros

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This 100%. The transcript will show all notices ever sent to him by the IRS and any assessments from 2013. Its the fastest way to see if this is legit or not. Just pulling the transcript will save so much time.

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Nia Wilson

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This is definitely a red flag situation that needs immediate attention. A few key points that stand out: 1. The timeline is extremely suspicious - a 2019-dated notice for 2013 taxes arriving in 2025 is not normal IRS procedure. 2. Most importantly, if the notice is addressed to a business your friend never worked for or had any connection to, he should NOT be receiving it at all. This could indicate mail fraud, identity theft, or a serious administrative error. 3. Since Performant Recovery no longer has an IRS contract (which you verified), any attempt to collect based on this notice would be fraudulent. Your friend needs to act quickly but carefully: - Do NOT pay anything or provide any personal information to anyone calling about this notice - Contact the IRS directly using the official number from their website (not the number on the notice) - Request his tax transcripts to verify if he actually owes anything from 2013 - File a report with TIGTA (Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration) about the suspicious notice - Consider contacting a taxpayer advocate as you suggested The fact that he's being reluctant to address this is concerning. Sometimes people avoid tax issues due to anxiety, but ignoring this could make things much worse if there's any legitimacy to it or if someone is using his information fraudulently.

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Sayid Hassan

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Just wanted to chime in as someone new here - this whole situation sounds really alarming! I'm not a tax expert, but even I can see that receiving a notice for a business you never worked for is a huge red flag. The timeline alone (2013 → 2019 → 2025) makes no sense for legitimate IRS correspondence. I'm curious though - has anyone else here dealt with mail forwarding issues that led to getting tax documents for random businesses? It seems like such a specific and weird problem. Also, is there any chance this could be related to the shared office space somehow? Like maybe someone at that location used your friend's address incorrectly on tax documents? Either way, definitely agree he needs to stop being stubborn and contact the IRS directly. Better safe than sorry when it comes to potential identity theft!

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Natalia Stone

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Has anyone tried the IRS practice lab? It's completely free and available to accounting students through the VITA program. We used it in my tax class and while it's not the fanciest interface, it covers all the common scenarios you'd need for classwork.

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Tasia Synder

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I tried using it but found the interface super dated and confusing. Ended up switching to TaxSlayer's student version which was much easier to navigate. IRS practice lab might be comprehensive but the UX is straight outta 1998 lol.

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Natalia Stone

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Yeah the interface is definitely outdated! But for completing class assignments it gets the job done. The advantage is that it's directly from the IRS so all the calculations and tax logic are guaranteed to be correct. I found that once I got past the initial learning curve, it wasn't too bad. There are also some decent YouTube tutorials specifically for students using the practice lab that helped me figure out the workflow.

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Raj Gupta

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Adding to the great suggestions here - if you're looking for something with a modern interface that's also educational, check out FreeTaxUSA's student program. They offer free access to their professional version for accounting students, and it has a really clean, intuitive workflow that's much more user-friendly than ProConnect. What I love about it is that it walks you through each section logically and has built-in error checking that catches mistakes before you complete the return. Super helpful for learning since it explains why certain entries might be incorrect. The reporting features are also great for presenting your work to professors. You can usually get approved for student access within 24 hours by submitting proof of enrollment. Might be worth trying while you're waiting for some of the other options mentioned here!

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This is exactly what I was looking for! I just submitted my application for FreeTaxUSA's student program and you're right - the interface looks so much cleaner than what I'm currently dealing with. The error checking feature you mentioned sounds perfect since I keep making small mistakes that mess up my entire return. Quick question - does their student version include all the advanced features like partnership returns and corporate tax scenarios? My professor loves throwing those curveball assignments at us and I want to make sure I'm covered for the more complex stuff too. Thanks for the recommendation - fingers crossed I get approved quickly!

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Don't panic - these IRS crypto letters are becoming more common, but they're often wrong about the amounts owed. The key thing to understand is that the IRS typically assumes $0 cost basis for any crypto transactions they can't fully trace, which massively inflates what they think you owe. Since you got a 6173 letter, you absolutely must respond within 30 days. Here's what I'd recommend: 1. Gather ALL your transaction records from every exchange/wallet you used 2. Calculate your actual cost basis for each transaction (what you originally paid for the crypto) 3. Document any crypto-to-crypto trades with proper fair market values at the time of each trade The $6,800 they're claiming is likely based on incomplete information. If you bought $15,000 worth of crypto and it appreciated before you traded it, your actual taxable gain would be much less than what they're assuming. You have three options: pay the assessment, file an amended return with correct calculations, or dispute it entirely with documentation. Given the amount involved, it's probably worth consulting with a tax professional who specializes in crypto taxation - they can often get these assessments reduced significantly or eliminated entirely. Don't just pay it without fighting back. The IRS crypto enforcement is aggressive but often inaccurate.

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I went through something very similar last year and want to share what worked for me. The IRS sent me a letter claiming I owed $4,200 for crypto transactions, but after properly documenting everything, I ended up owing only $380. The biggest mistake people make is not keeping detailed records of their cost basis. Every time you buy crypto, that purchase price becomes your cost basis. When you trade or sell, you calculate gains/losses based on the difference between your cost basis and the fair market value at the time of the transaction. Here's what saved me: I went back through all my exchange accounts (Coinbase, Kraken, Binance) and downloaded every single transaction CSV file. Then I traced each coin from purchase to sale/trade. The IRS was assuming I got my crypto for free (zero cost basis) for transactions they couldn't fully trace. Since you have a 6173 letter, you MUST respond within 30 days. Don't ignore it. I'd recommend either using one of the crypto tax software tools mentioned here or hiring a CPA who specializes in crypto. The upfront cost is way less than paying an inflated IRS assessment. Also keep in mind that crypto-to-crypto trades are taxable events, but you can often have losses that offset gains. The IRS letter probably doesn't account for any losses you might have had.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm wondering though - what if you made trades on a DEX (decentralized exchange) where you don't have traditional CSV files? I did some trading on Uniswap and other DeFi platforms directly from my MetaMask wallet. How do you track cost basis for those transactions? The IRS letter doesn't specify which transactions they're questioning, so I'm worried they might be including some of my DeFi activity that I have no idea how to document properly.

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I went through a hardship withdrawal two years ago when my husband was out of work for seven months. Here's what I wish someone had told me beforehand: First, make absolutely sure you've exhausted other options. I should have looked into my company's employee assistance program - they offered emergency loans with much better terms than I realized. Also check if your state has any hardship programs or if you qualify for unemployment benefits if you haven't already. Second, the process took longer than expected. From application to getting the money was about 3 weeks for me, so don't count on this being a quick fix if you're facing immediate deadlines like foreclosure. The tax hit was brutal - I withdrew $12,000 and only netted about $8,400 after taxes and penalties. But honestly, it kept us in our house and gave us breathing room to get back on our feet. Sometimes you have to make the best of a bad situation. One thing that helped was immediately increasing my 401k contribution percentage once we recovered financially. I bumped it up by 2% to try to make up for some of the lost time. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing. Don't let people shame you for considering this - these accounts exist for emergencies, and it sounds like you're in a legitimate one. Just make sure you're making an informed decision with all the facts.

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StarStrider

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Thank you for sharing your real experience - this is exactly the kind of honest perspective I needed to hear. The 3-week timeline is really important to know since I was hoping this could be a quick solution. I hadn't even thought about checking our company's employee assistance program. I'll definitely look into that on Monday. And you're absolutely right about not letting people shame me for considering this - we're genuinely in an emergency situation and I'd rather explore all my options than just panic. The idea of increasing contributions afterward to help recover is smart too. If we do go through with this, I'll plan to bump up my percentage as soon as we're back on stable ground. Did you find it difficult to adjust to the higher contribution rate, or was it manageable since you were already used to living on less during the hardship period?

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Yuki Tanaka

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet - the psychological aspect of taking a hardship withdrawal. When I had to do one three years ago during my divorce, I felt like I was "stealing from my future self" and it created a lot of guilt and anxiety. What helped me was reframing it: this wasn't a failure, it was using a tool that exists for exactly these situations. Your 401k is part of your overall financial safety net, and sometimes you need to use that safety net to prevent a much worse outcome. Also, consider the alternative costs. If you don't take the withdrawal and end up missing mortgage payments, defaulting on loans, or going into high-interest debt, those consequences could be far worse than the taxes and penalties. I ran the numbers on what would happen if I let things spiral versus taking the withdrawal, and the withdrawal was clearly the better choice. One practical tip: if you do move forward, consider having extra taxes withheld from the distribution beyond the mandatory 20%. I had them withhold 30% total to avoid owing money at tax time. It meant less cash upfront, but no nasty surprises in April. You're dealing with a tough situation, but you're being smart by researching thoroughly before deciding. That alone tells me you'll make the right choice for your family's circumstances.

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Jason Brewer

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Just wanted to share my experience as someone who recently went through this exact situation. I had overdue returns for 2019 and 2020, and like you, I was confused about the IP PIN requirement on PriorTax. After reading through all the helpful advice in this thread, I ended up calling the IRS IP PIN line at 1-800-908-4490 (thanks Hunter Hampton for that number!). Surprisingly, I got through in about 20 minutes and confirmed I didn't have an IP PIN. The agent explained that the confusion often comes from tax software asking about the most recent year's PIN even when filing older returns. I ultimately decided to try a different service after reading about the hidden fees issue with PriorTax. Used FreeTaxUSA for my 2019 return and one of the AI-powered services mentioned here for 2020. Both were much more transparent about their pricing upfront, and neither had confusing IP PIN questions. My advice: definitely verify your IP PIN status first using either the IRS website or phone line, then shop around a bit before committing to any service. The peace of mind of knowing exactly what you'll pay is worth the extra research time.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience that's so helpful! Thanks for sharing your step-by-step process, Jason. It's reassuring to hear that the IRS IP PIN line actually has reasonable wait times compared to their main number. I'm definitely going to follow your approach - verify the PIN status first, then compare services. The transparency issue with fees seems to be a real concern with some of these online tax services. Did you find that FreeTaxUSA and the AI service you used were significantly cheaper than what PriorTax was quoting, or was it more about the upfront clarity on pricing?

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Javier Cruz

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I've been following this thread closely since I'm dealing with a similar situation - overdue 2021 return that I keep putting off. The IP PIN confusion seems to be a common issue across multiple tax services, not just PriorTax. What I found really helpful from reading everyone's experiences is that there are essentially three steps to handle this properly: 1) Verify your IP PIN status through the IRS (either online or that direct phone line), 2) Compare the actual total costs of different services upfront, and 3) Make sure whatever service you choose clearly explains their process for prior year returns. The hidden fees issue is particularly concerning since we're already dealing with potential penalties for late filing. The last thing anyone needs is surprise charges on top of everything else. Has anyone here actually calculated the total cost difference between these various services when you factor in all fees? I'm curious if the premium services like the AI-powered ones end up being cost-effective when you consider the time savings and reduced confusion.

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