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Muhammad Hobbs

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Adding to this conversation - unemployment tax withholding is definitely confusing! A big thing to remember is that unemployment compensation stacks on top of your regular income. So if you were already making $47k from your job, then adding another $49k from unemployment pushes your total income to $96k, which is well into the 24% federal tax bracket for 2024. The 10% withholding option is just a standard flat rate - it doesn't take into account your other income or your actual tax bracket. That's why you're seeing such a big difference in your expected refund.

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Noland Curtis

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Is there any way to change the withholding percentage on unemployment? Like could I ask them to withhold 20% instead of 10% to avoid this problem next time?

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Muhammad Hobbs

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Unfortunately, the unemployment system typically only offers the standard 10% withholding option - you can't adjust it to a higher percentage even if you want to. If you need to have more withheld, you have two main options: make quarterly estimated tax payments to the IRS to cover the difference, or if you have a spouse who's working, they could increase their withholding on their W-4 to help cover the additional tax liability from your unemployment income.

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Diez Ellis

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Just wanna share my experience - I had this EXACT same problem in Washington state last year!! That 10% withholding is such a trap. I thought I was being responsible by choosing to have taxes withheld from my unemployment but still ended up owing a ton. The real issue is that unemployment doesn't take into account your total annual income situation. For me, I had worked half the year making good money before being laid off, so combined with unemployment I was in a higher tax bracket than what the 10% covered. For anyone else facing this - consider setting aside some additional money beyond the 10% withholding if you can afford it. Better to have extra saved than to owe a bunch at tax time.

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Would it help to just decline the 10% withholding altogether and instead put 20% of each payment into a savings account, then use that to pay taxes at the end of the year? Seems like it would be better to have control of the money in the meantime.

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Layla Mendes

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That's actually a smart approach! Setting aside 20% gives you a better buffer and you earn interest on it while it sits in savings. Plus if you end up not needing the full 20%, you keep the extra rather than waiting for a refund from the government. The only downside is you need the discipline to actually save it and not spend it. But if you can manage that, you're essentially giving yourself an interest-free loan instead of giving one to the government through overwithholding. Just make sure to put it in a high-yield savings account so you're at least earning something on that money while you wait to pay your taxes.

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Victoria Stark

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This is why the tax code needs major reform!! These circular references are deliberately confusing to make people mess up their taxes. It's a trap to collect more penalty fees. The whole system is rigged against average people who don't have accountants.

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Benjamin Kim

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I don't think it's a deliberate trap. It's just the result of decades of patching the tax code instead of rewriting it properly. Like spaghetti code but for taxes. Never attribute to malice what can be explained by bureaucracy!

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Dmitry Smirnov

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I ran into this exact same circular reference nightmare last year! What finally worked for me was treating it like an iterative process rather than trying to complete each form perfectly the first time through. Here's the step-by-step approach that broke the loop for me: 1. Start with your 1099-B and calculate your basic capital gain/loss (proceeds minus cost basis) 2. Put that preliminary amount on Schedule D Line 21 (or wherever your gain/loss lands) 3. Transfer that number to Form 1040 Line 13 4. Complete your Form 1040 through Line 44 using this preliminary capital gain 5. Now go back to Schedule D and use the tax information from Line 44 to complete any remaining calculations 6. If the final Schedule D number is different from your preliminary amount, update Form 1040 Line 13 and recalculate For a single stock sale like yours, the numbers usually don't change much between iterations, so you might only need to go through this process once or twice. The key insight is that these forms were designed assuming you'd use tax software that handles the circular references automatically - doing it by hand requires this back-and-forth approach. Don't let it drive you crazy - you're not missing something obvious, the forms really are designed this way!

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Hugo Kass

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In case anyone else is reading this thread with a similar issue - make sure you check if your state has different rules for claiming refunds! Some states have longer statutes of limitations than the federal 3-year rule. For example, in Montana you have 5 years to claim a refund, and in South Carolina it's 3 years from the date you actually file (with no expiration if you never filed). I almost missed out on a state refund because I assumed the deadlines were the same as federal.

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Nasira Ibanez

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That's a great point! Pennsylvania also has different rules - they follow a 3-year rule but it's calculated differently than the federal timeline. I managed to get a state refund even after my federal deadline had passed. Always worth checking your specific state's department of revenue website.

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CosmicCowboy

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I'm really sorry to hear about your situation, Charity. Unfortunately, based on the information you've provided, it does appear that you've missed the deadline for claiming your 2019 refund. The three-year statute of limitations would have expired on July 15, 2023, since that was the COVID-extended due date for 2019 returns. However, I'd strongly encourage you to explore a couple of options before giving up completely: 1. **File the return anyway** - Even without getting the refund, filing will create an official record of your income and any withholding or estimated payments you made. This could be important for future financial needs. 2. **Check for any special circumstances** - While rare, there are some exceptions to the three-year rule for things like military service in combat zones, living in federally declared disaster areas, or certain other documented hardships. 3. **Consider state refunds** - As Hugo mentioned, some states have different deadlines than federal. Check your state's rules - you might still be eligible for a state refund even if the federal deadline has passed. 4. **Apply withholding to other years** - If you had tax withholding in 2019 and owe money for other tax years, you might be able to work with the IRS to apply those payments to years where you have a balance due. Don't beat yourself up too much - 2020 was an incredibly challenging year for everyone, and it's understandable that things slipped through the cracks.

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Savannah Glover

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Don't make the same mistake I did! If you DO end up needing to file the 1041, make sure you use the estate's EIN on the form, NOT your mom's social security number. I mixed them up and it caused a huge headache with notices from the IRS about mismatched taxpayer IDs. Also, the filing deadline for 1041 is different than regular tax returns - it's the 15th day of the 4th month after the end of the estate's tax year.

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Felix Grigori

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Isn't there also something about how you choose the estate's tax year? I remember when my mom passed the lawyer mentioned something about having options for what 12-month period to use.

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AstroAdventurer

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You're absolutely right about the tax year choice! When you establish an estate, you can choose any 12-month period ending on the last day of any month as the estate's tax year. So if your mom passed away in February, you could choose a tax year ending February 28th, March 31st, December 31st, etc. This can be helpful for tax planning purposes. The key is that you make this election on the first Form 1041 you file. If you don't file a 1041 at all (because you're under the $600 threshold), then it doesn't matter. But if you do need to file, choosing the right tax year ending date can sometimes help with timing of income and deductions. For @Fiona Sand's situation with just the small bank account, she probably won't need to worry about this since it's unlikely to generate $600 in interest. But it's good information to know just in case!

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Oliver Fischer

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Has anyone had their employer incorrectly include travel expenses for education in their W-2? My company added all my hotel and flight costs for a training program to my taxable income, and I think they're handling it wrong based on what people are saying here.

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Natasha Petrova

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I had this exact issue last year! My employer included about $3200 in travel expenses for a required certification in my taxable income. I brought the IRS rules to our payroll department and showed them that job-related education travel should be treated as a business expense reimbursement. They issued a corrected W-2, and it saved me around $700 in taxes.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share what I learned after consulting with a tax professional. The distinction between educational assistance benefits (Section 127) and business expense reimbursements is crucial here. For your $4900 course, if it's provided under your employer's qualified educational assistance program, it falls under the $5250 annual exclusion and won't be taxable income. The travel and lodging expenses are handled separately - they don't count toward the $5250 limit at all. If your employer reimburses travel expenses under an accountable plan (you provide receipts, return excess funds, and the expenses have a business connection), those reimbursements are typically not taxable and are treated as business expense reimbursements rather than educational benefits. The key question is whether your training maintains or improves skills for your current job. If yes, the travel expenses can qualify as deductible business expenses when reimbursed properly. If the education is to qualify you for a new career, the travel expenses would likely be taxable. I'd recommend checking with your HR department about how they're classifying these reimbursements on your W-2. Many employers mistakenly include travel reimbursements as taxable income when they should be treated as business expense reimbursements.

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