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I went through this exact same nightmare last year! My tax preparer claimed she filed my extension but the IRS had no record of it. Here's what worked for me: 1. **Get everything in writing from your preparer** - Ask for a detailed timeline of when she claims to have filed, what confirmation she received, and any reference numbers. That screenshot might be helpful even if you doubt it. 2. **Request your IRS transcript immediately** - File Form 4506-T or get it online through IRS.gov. This will show exactly what the IRS has on file for you and can definitively prove whether an extension was filed or not. 3. **For Form 843, focus on reasonable cause** - In Part II, emphasize that you hired a licensed professional specifically to handle this filing requirement and reasonably relied on their expertise. Include copies of your contract/agreement showing you paid them to file the extension. 4. **Document your good faith effort** - Include evidence that you provided all necessary information to your preparer well before the deadline and that filing the extension was explicitly part of their service. The IRS is generally sympathetic when taxpayers can show they made good faith efforts to comply by hiring professionals. Just make sure your Form 843 tells a clear story of reasonable reliance on professional advice. Also, definitely pursue getting reimbursed by your preparer - most carry professional liability insurance for exactly these situations!
This is such helpful advice, thank you! I'm definitely going to request that IRS transcript first thing tomorrow - that's something I hadn't even thought of but it makes total sense to get the official record of what they actually have on file. The point about documenting our good faith effort is really important too. We actually have emails showing we gave our preparer all our documents back in February, well before the deadline, and her service agreement does specifically mention filing extensions when needed. I'm feeling much more confident about tackling this Form 843 now. Did you have any trouble getting your preparer to reimburse you for the penalties, or did they cooperate once you mentioned their professional liability insurance?
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this - tax preparer mistakes are incredibly frustrating! I went through something similar a few years ago and learned some hard lessons. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: when you're preparing your Form 843, make sure to include a timeline of events in your reasonable cause explanation. Show exactly when you hired the preparer, when you provided all necessary documents, when the extension was supposed to be filed, and when you first discovered the problem. The IRS likes to see that you acted promptly once you became aware of the issue. Since you just found out about this last week, make sure to emphasize that you're filing the abatement request immediately upon discovering the problem. Also, if your preparer is enrolled with the IRS (has a PTIN number), you can look up their credentials on the IRS directory. This can be useful documentation to include showing that you reasonably relied on a properly credentialed professional. One last tip - if your Form 843 gets denied initially, don't give up! You can request a supervisory review or file an appeal. Sometimes it just takes getting in front of the right person who understands the situation better. Good luck with this mess - I hope you get it resolved quickly!
This timeline approach is brilliant advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation right now where my preparer supposedly filed my extension but the IRS says they never got it. I never thought about looking up their PTIN number on the IRS directory - that's definitely going in my Form 843 as evidence that I hired someone who should have been qualified. The point about acting promptly is so important too. I've been panicking thinking I waited too long to address this, but it sounds like as long as you file the abatement request right after discovering the problem, the IRS will view that favorably. Did you end up having to go through the appeal process, or was your initial Form 843 approved? I'm trying to set realistic expectations for how long this might take to resolve.
Just wait for your regular refund date and skip all this advance nonsense. The IRS is actually pretty fast these days if you file electronically and use direct deposit.
I actually went through this exact situation last month. Yes, you definitely need to open a Credit Karma Money account - there's no way around it anymore since Intuit owns both companies. The good news is the account is completely free with no fees or minimum balance. The advance amount depends on your refund size but it's usually a decent chunk. Just be aware that once you get the advance, you're locked into keeping that account open until your full refund processes, otherwise they can hit you with penalties. Overall it worked fine for me but definitely feels like they're forcing you into their ecosystem.
Everyone's talking about prohibited transactions, but no one's mentioned UBIT/UBTI (Unrelated Business Taxable Income). Even IF you could legally structure this (which you can't for reasons already mentioned), your SEP-IRA would likely get hit with UBIT if it used debt financing to purchase the property. So not only would you face prohibited transaction issues, but you'd also potentially create a tax liability inside your tax-advantaged account! The whole concept is problematic on multiple levels. Just buy the property yourself outside retirement accounts or through a separate entity and lease it to your business. Much simpler and definitely legal.
I had no idea about UBIT affecting retirement accounts. Thanks everyone for all this information - you've convinced me to abandon this idea. I'm going to look into either buying the property personally or using an SBA loan through my LLC instead. Definitely don't want to mess with my retirement funds and trigger all these complicated tax issues!
Smart decision, Sean! You're absolutely right to step away from this approach. I've seen too many people get burned by trying to get cute with retirement account investments and ending up with massive tax bills. Since you mentioned SBA loans, I'd definitely explore that route. SBA 504 loans are particularly good for owner-occupied commercial real estate - you can get up to 90% financing with a portion at below-market fixed rates. The key requirement is that your business needs to occupy at least 51% of the building, which sounds like it would work for your situation. Another angle to consider: if you do buy the property personally (outside retirement accounts) and lease to your LLC, make sure to structure the lease at fair market rent. The IRS scrutinizes related-party transactions, so you want everything to be arm's length. Get a commercial appraisal to establish market rates. One last tip - document everything thoroughly. Keep records showing you researched market rents, property management decisions, maintenance costs, etc. This helps demonstrate it's a legitimate business arrangement rather than just tax avoidance if you ever get audited.
This is really helpful advice, Diego! I'm curious about the SBA 504 loan process - how long does it typically take from application to closing? My current lease expires in about 8 months, so I'm wondering if that's enough time to get through the whole process. Also, when you mention getting a commercial appraisal for fair market rent, should I get that done before I even purchase the property, or can I wait until after I own it and am setting up the lease agreement?
I went through this exact situation last month and can confirm what others have said - Credit Karma is absolutely mandatory for TurboTax's refund advance. There's no workaround. However, I want to add a few things that might help: The good news: Credit Karma Money accounts are actually free with no monthly fees or minimum balance requirements. The transfer to your regular bank is also free and typically takes 1-2 business days. The not-so-good news: You'll need to provide additional verification documents beyond your tax info, and the approval isn't guaranteed even if you have a large expected refund. One tip: If you do go this route, make sure to turn off all marketing communications in your Credit Karma settings immediately after approval. Otherwise you'll get bombarded with credit card offers and loan promotions. Alternative suggestion: If you're mainly concerned about cash flow timing, consider filing your return as early as possible (the IRS started accepting returns in late January). With direct deposit, most people get their refund within 21 days, which might not be much longer than dealing with the advance process anyway.
This is really helpful advice, especially the tip about turning off marketing communications right away! I'm curious about the verification documents you mentioned - what kind of additional paperwork did they require beyond the standard tax information? I want to make sure I have everything ready if I decide to go this route.
I've been researching this exact question for weeks! Based on my experience and what I've learned from TurboTax customer service, here's the reality: Credit Karma is 100% required - no exceptions, no alternatives. They have an exclusive partnership that routes ALL advance deposits through Credit Karma Money accounts. However, here are some practical considerations that might help with your decision: **The process is actually streamlined:** Opening the Credit Karma account takes about 5 minutes during the TurboTax advance application. They pre-populate most of your info, so it's not as cumbersome as opening a regular bank account. **Transfer options:** Once the advance hits your Credit Karma account, you can immediately transfer it to your existing bank via ACH (free, takes 1-2 days) or use their instant transfer feature for a small fee if you need it same-day. **Timeline reality check:** The advance approval and deposit usually happens within 24 hours, but then you still need transfer time to your main bank. Compare this to filing early and getting your full refund via direct deposit in 2-3 weeks - the time difference might not be as significant as you think. **Bottom line:** If cash flow timing is critical and you're comfortable with the Credit Karma requirement, it works. But if you're just trying to get money a week or two earlier, you might want to just file early and wait for the IRS direct deposit instead.
Laila Fury
I went through this EXACT same thing last week! I was literally checking my Credit Karma account every hour after seeing the fees taken out. It took exactly one full business day for mine to show up - fees were taken Tuesday morning and the deposit hit Wednesday around 10am. I was so worried because I had bills scheduled to auto-pay! The waiting is seriously the worst part, especially when you can see that they've already taken their cut but you're still waiting for yours. Hang in there!
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Isaac Wright
I'm dealing with this same situation right now! Filed with TurboTax, got the refund advance in February, and just saw the fees come out this morning. It's reassuring to see so many people going through the exact same process. Based on what everyone's sharing, it sounds like 1-2 business days is pretty standard for the remaining balance to hit Credit Karma. I'm going to try to be patient and check again tomorrow evening. Thanks for asking this question - I was starting to worry something was wrong with my deposit!
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