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Has anyone found a good way to track these passive losses year to year? I'm using a spreadsheet but it's getting unwieldy with multiple properties.

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I use QuickBooks with separate classes for each property, then export everything to Excel at year-end with a dedicated passive loss tracking tab. It automatically calculates my allowed losses based on my income and carries over the disallowed amounts for next year.

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Dmitry Popov

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I've been dealing with this exact same issue in UltraTax for my rental properties! What really helped me understand the distinction was looking at my prior year's Form 8582. The "passive loss carryovers from operating activities" field corresponds to the actual business operations - rent collection, property management, maintenance, repairs, utilities, etc. These are the day-to-day expenses that generate your rental income. The "passive activity carryovers from ordinary business income/loss" field is for the broader business items like depreciation, mortgage interest, and other financing costs that contribute to your overall business loss but aren't directly tied to operations. Since you mentioned you don't materially participate, make sure you're also considering whether you qualify for the $25,000 special allowance if your adjusted gross income is under $100,000. That can sometimes allow you to deduct losses that would otherwise be carried forward. Good luck with your return!

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This is really helpful! I'm new to rental property investing and just bought my first property last year. Can you clarify what you mean by "materially participate"? I live about 2 hours away from my rental and mostly just collect rent and handle occasional maintenance calls. Does that count as material participation, or am I considered passive like the original poster? Also, you mentioned the $25,000 special allowance - is that something that gets automatically calculated in UltraTax or do I need to manually track my income to see if I qualify?

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - check if your state offers additional EV incentives that might not have the same income restrictions as the federal credit. I didn't qualify for the federal credit but got $2,500 from my state's clean vehicle rebate program. Also worth looking into whether your utility company offers any rebates for home charger installation. Mine gave me $500 back for installing a Level 2 charger plus special electricity rates for EV charging.

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Teresa Boyd

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That's a good point! I haven't even looked into state incentives. I'm in California - does anyone know if they have income limits too? And do you know if these state incentives are affected by the federal ones at all?

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California does have income limits for their Clean Vehicle Rebate Project, but they're higher than the federal limits - $135k for single filers last I checked. However, they offer additional incentives through local air districts and utilities that might not have income caps. The state incentives are completely separate from federal ones, so even if you don't qualify for the federal credit, you could still be eligible for state and local rebates. Check the CA Air Resources Board website and your local utility's EV programs. SoCal Edison and PG&E both have decent rebate programs for charger installation.

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Lia Quinn

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Has anyone actually bought a Tesla recently? I'm wondering if this whole credit thing is even worth it anymore with all their price fluctuations. Feels like every time the tax credit changes, they just adjust their prices to eat up the difference anyway.

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Haley Stokes

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I bought a Model Y last month and you're right about the price games. When the tax credit rules changed, Tesla raised prices by almost the exact amount of the credit. But I still think it's worth trying to qualify because at least you get the tax benefit rather than paying it all to Tesla. One thing to know - Tesla now applies the credit as a point-of-sale rebate which means you get it immediately rather than waiting until tax time. Much better for cash flow.

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Lia Quinn

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Thanks, that's good to know about the point-of-sale rebate! I was assuming I'd have to wait until filing taxes next year. Did you have to do anything special to get the immediate discount, or do they just apply it automatically if you qualify?

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The Identity Verification process (IdVer) is distinct from a standard Taxpayer Assistance Center appointment. IdVer appointments specifically address potential identity theft concerns, while TAC appointments handle broader issues. The two forms of identification must meet the Acceptable Documentation standards outlined in Publication 1586, with one being a primary photo ID (passport, driver's license, or state ID) and the secondary ID potentially including birth certificate, Social Security card, or voter registration card. Military IDs are accepted as primary identification across all locations.

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Dylan Hughes

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Thank you for sharing such detailed information! This is incredibly helpful. I'm curious about one thing though - you mentioned the process took exactly 27 minutes total, but the actual verification with the agent was only 8 minutes. What accounted for the other 19 minutes? Was that mostly waiting time, or were there other steps like check-in procedures or security screening that people should factor into their schedule? I have an appointment next week and trying to plan my day around it.

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Kayla Morgan

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Great question! I was wondering the same thing. From my experience at other government offices, those extra minutes are usually spent on check-in (showing your appointment confirmation, getting a number), waiting to be called even with an appointment, and then the walk to/from the agent's desk. Security screening can also add time depending on the building. It's smart to plan for at least 45 minutes total just to be safe, especially during busy periods.

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Daryl Bright

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22 Does anyone know if electric vehicles get any special depreciation treatment for business use? I'm looking at a Tesla Model Y which is around 4,500 lbs (so under the 6,000 threshold) but heard there might be extra incentives.

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Daryl Bright

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15 Yes! For 2025, there's a commercial clean vehicle credit under Section 45W that can give you up to $7,500 for smaller vehicles like the Model Y when purchased for business use. This is separate from depreciation but definitely helps with the overall cost. The vehicle still follows regular depreciation rules based on its weight class, but the upfront credit makes a big difference.

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Sophie Duck

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Just wanted to share my experience as someone who recently went through this exact decision! I ended up choosing the heavier vehicle (Ford F-150 at 6,100 lbs) over a smaller SUV, and it made a huge difference on my taxes. The key thing I learned is that you need to look at your total business use percentage and cash flow needs. Even though the heavier truck cost me $12,000 more upfront, the enhanced depreciation benefits meant I could deduct about $25,000 more in year one (at 80% business use). This significantly reduced my tax liability and improved my cash flow. One tip - make sure you get the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) from the manufacturer's specs, not the curb weight. The GVWR is what the IRS uses to determine eligibility. Some vehicles that seem close to 6,000 lbs might actually qualify based on their GVWR even if their curb weight is lower. Also, don't forget to factor in your state taxes too - some states have additional depreciation benefits for business vehicles that can make the decision even more favorable toward the heavier option.

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Amara Eze

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Has anyone actually tried just putting "0" (zero) in Box 6 on TurboTax to see if that works? I'm facing the same issue and wondering if that's a valid workaround.

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I tried zeros last year and TurboTax still gave me an error. I ended up using the state abbreviation (TX in my case) and it worked fine. No issues with my return or any notices from the IRS or state tax department. I think the system just needs something in that field that isn't blank.

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I had this exact same problem last year! TurboTax was being super finicky about Box 6 even though my 1099-NEC had it completely blank. After trying several approaches, I found that entering just the two-letter state code where the withholding occurred worked perfectly. In your case, since you mentioned having state tax withheld in Box 5, try entering "PA" (assuming that's where the withholding went based on your earlier comment). This satisfies TurboTax's requirement without making up fake information, and it's actually the logical solution since state withholding has to correspond to some state. I was worried about doing this at first, but my return was processed without any issues and I never heard anything from the IRS or state about it. The key thing is that you're accurately reporting your income and the actual withholding amounts - the state identifier is really just for their matching systems.

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Diego Fisher

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Thanks for sharing your experience! This is really reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through this last year. I was getting so worried about "making up" information, but you're right that using the state abbreviation is actually the logical solution when there's state withholding involved. Did you end up contacting your client later to get their actual state ID number, or did you just leave it as the state code on your final return?

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