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Understanding AMT Calculation with ISO Exercises - Help with AMT Tax Spreadsheet

I'm trying to wrap my head around how AMT (Alternative Minimum Tax) works since I'll be exercising a bunch of ISOs over the next couple years and need to add this to my tax planning spreadsheet. Can someone check if I've got the calculation steps right? I've skipped some stuff like foreign tax credits that don't apply to my situation. Here's my understanding of the AMT calculation: 1) Start with taxable income (AGI minus deduction) 2) Add back SALT deduction if itemizing, otherwise add back standard deduction 3) Add AMT preference items (like ISO exercises) 4) Subtract AMT exemption amount (which phases out at higher incomes) = AMTI 5) Handle Long-term capital gains (LTCG) 6) Subtract LTCG from AMTI 7) Apply 26%/28% AMT brackets to amount from step 6 8) Apply long-term capital gains rates to LTCG 9) Add results from steps 7 and 8 10) Apply 26%/28% brackets to AMTI (from step 4) and take the SMALLER of this and the step 9 result My main confusion is about step 8 - when calculating the LTCG portion, what do I use as "income"? For regular tax it's just taxable income, but for AMT it seems like I should use AMTI instead? The form seems to start this calculation at line 12 which I think is AMTI from step 4. Is that right? Also wondering - who typically gets hit with AMT these days? Obviously people with large ISO exercises, but are there other common situations post-2018 tax changes? I know SALT deduction caps changed things. Thanks for any help!

Giovanni Greco

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Another AMT tip for ISO exercises: consider a Section 83(b) election for early exercise of options that aren't vested yet. If your company allows it, this can sometimes help you avoid AMT entirely. Basically, you exercise unvested options at a lower price before the company value increases significantly. Since the spread between exercise price and fair market value is what triggers AMT, exercising early when that spread is small can minimize or eliminate the AMT hit. Just be aware that there's risk if you leave the company before vesting and have to forfeit the shares. Also, the 83(b) election MUST be filed within 30 days of exercise - no exceptions!

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Andre Lefebvre

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I've heard about 83(b) elections but wasn't sure how they worked with AMT. Is there a minimum holding period after doing the 83(b) to avoid AMT completely? And does the fact that shares are unvested matter for AMT purposes once the election is filed?

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Giovanni Greco

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The 83(b) election affects AMT by essentially front-loading your tax obligation at the time of exercise rather than at vesting. There's no minimum holding period to avoid AMT - the benefit comes from exercising when the spread (difference between FMV and exercise price) is small or zero. Once you file the 83(b) election, the unvested status doesn't matter for tax purposes - you're treated as if you own the shares outright. The AMT calculation looks at the spread at exercise time only. If you exercise when the FMV equals the strike price, there's no spread, thus no AMT liability at all. Any appreciation after that point is only taxed when you eventually sell the shares (as capital gains).

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Fatima Al-Farsi

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One thing to remember about AMT is that you might get some of it back as a credit in future years! Form 8801 lets you claim a credit for prior year minimum tax. So if you pay AMT in one year, you can potentially use that as a credit against regular income tax in future years when your regular tax exceeds your AMT. This is especially relevant for ISO exercises - you might pay AMT now, but if you sell the shares later, you can often recover some of that AMT through the credit system. Keep your tax records from previous years!

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Dylan Wright

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Is there a time limit on using those AMT credits? Like if I paid AMT three years ago from ISO exercises but haven't been able to use the credits yet, do they expire?

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Kayla Jacobson

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Good news - AMT credits don't expire! You can carry them forward indefinitely until you're able to use them. The credit is available whenever your regular tax liability exceeds your AMT liability in future years. Just make sure to keep filing Form 8801 each year to track your available credit balance, even if you can't use any of it that year. The IRS needs to see the continuity in your filings to validate the credit when you eventually claim it. @Dylan Wright - So those credits from three years ago are still good! You ll'just need to make sure you have all the supporting documentation from those prior years when you eventually use them.

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Ethan Clark

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Pro tip for next year: NEVER agree to have fees taken out of your refund. They don't make it obvious, but you're basically taking out a high-interest loan. The convenience fee for Refund Transfer is usually $40-$70 just to get your own money a few days faster. Always pay for tax prep upfront if possible!

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Sean Flanagan

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Lesson definitely learned! I had no idea they were charging me extra for this. Will definitely pay upfront next year.

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Axel Far

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This exact same thing happened to me two years ago and I panicked thinking someone had stolen my refund! The MetaBank thing is totally legitimate - it's just H&R Block's way of handling the Refund Transfer service. What helped me was logging into my H&R Block online account where they actually show you a timeline of when the IRS deposits to MetaBank, when H&R Block takes their fees, and when the remaining amount gets sent to your real bank account. Usually takes about a week total once the IRS releases your refund. You should be getting an email from H&R Block with tracking info too if you haven't already.

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Hannah White

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Don't forget about business insurance costs! When I bought my Range Rover for my law practice, my insurance nearly tripled compared to my previous vehicle. Make sure you factor this into your calculations.

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Michael Green

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Insurance is definitely an overlooked cost. Also worth noting that if you get in an accident with a $200k+ vehicle while doing business activities, you might need special liability coverage beyond standard business insurance. Worth talking to an insurance broker who specializes in high-value business assets.

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CosmicCadet

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As someone who went through this exact decision process last year for my dental practice, I'd strongly recommend getting a professional tax analysis before making such a large purchase. The Section 179 limitations for luxury SUVs are real - you're looking at around $28,900 maximum deduction in the first year, with the remaining $160k-290k spread over several years through regular depreciation. What really caught me off guard was the documentation requirements. The IRS expects detailed mileage logs, business purpose for each trip, and can challenge luxury vehicle deductions years later. I learned this the hard way when my accountant underestimated the record-keeping burden. Given your practice's revenue, you might also want to consider the overall tax strategy. Sometimes it's better to spread large deductions across multiple years rather than taking them all at once, especially if it pushes you into higher tax brackets or triggers AMT issues. Have you consulted with a tax professional who specializes in medical practices? They often have insights about vehicle deductions that general CPAs miss.

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Aliyah Debovski

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Has anybody used TurboTax for AMT calculations? Does it automatically figure out if you owe AMT? I'm worried it might miss something since my tax situation is pretty complex this year.

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Miranda Singer

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TurboTax should handle the AMT calculations automatically. It fills out Form 6251 behind the scenes based on the information you enter. In the tax summary section, you can usually see if it's calculated any AMT. You can also view the actual Form 6251 to see the detailed calculations.

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Mei Lin

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I went through this exact confusion last year! You're right to be puzzled because the relationship between AGI and AMTI isn't straightforward. Here's what I learned: Even if your AGI is higher than your AMTI, you can still owe AMT. The key comparison is between your "tentative minimum tax" (calculated from your AMTI) and your regular tax liability - whichever is higher is what you pay. Think of it this way: AGI and AMTI are just different starting points for calculating taxes under two parallel systems. Your AMTI might be lower than your AGI because certain deductions that reduce your AGI aren't allowed when calculating AMTI, but you're adding back other preference items. With your income level, I'd definitely recommend completing Form 6251 or having your tax software do it automatically. The AMT exemption does phase out at higher incomes, so it's worth checking. Don't rely on the AGI vs AMTI comparison alone - that's not the determining factor for AMT liability. Hope this helps clarify things! The AMT system is genuinely confusing even for experienced filers.

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Ravi Malhotra

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I went through this exact thing last year. The timing is weird for freshmen because you're paying in one tax year for classes that start in the next tax year. Just make sure when you file your taxes that you only claim expenses you ACTUALLY PAID in the tax year you're filing for. If you paid in Dec 2024, you claim on 2024 taxes. If you paid in Jan 2025, you claim on 2025 taxes. The IRS doesn't care about when classes start, just when the money left your bank account. Keep ALL receipts!!! Good luck with freshman year btw!

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Does this apply to books too? I bought some textbooks in December for classes starting in January.

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Carmen Ortiz

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I'm actually going through this same situation right now! Called my university's financial aid office three times and kept getting the runaround about the 1098-T form. Super frustrating when you're trying to be responsible about filing taxes. What I ended up doing was going directly to the student accounts/billing office instead of financial aid. They were way more helpful and printed out an official payment summary that shows all my qualified education expenses for the tax year. It has the payment dates, amounts, and breaks down tuition vs fees vs other costs. The billing office clerk told me tons of freshmen come in asking for this exact document for tax purposes, so they're totally used to it. She said the IRS accepts these payment summaries as documentation for education credits when the 1098-T isn't available yet. Also heads up - make sure you're only claiming expenses that were actually required by your school. Things like parking passes and meal plans usually don't qualify for AOTC, but tuition, mandatory enrollment fees, and required textbooks/supplies do. The payment summary from billing should help you separate what counts vs what doesn't. Hope this helps and good luck with your first year!

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