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Just a practical observation - I think people are overlooking the fact that one partner is a foreign national who's never even been to the US. That's a much bigger complication than just the unfiled 1065s.

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Exactly! The foreign partner needs to deal with Form 8805 for their share of effectively connected income and possibly NRA withholding requirements. The LLC might have had withholding obligations they weren't meeting.

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Omar Mahmoud

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This is a complex situation that requires careful handling. Given the 10-year gap and foreign partner involvement, I'd strongly recommend against the "dissolve and ignore" approach - that could actually make things much worse if the IRS eventually catches up. The foreign partner issue is particularly important here. Even though they've never been to the US, they likely had US tax filing obligations for their share of the partnership income. The partnership should have been withholding taxes on the foreign partner's behalf and filing Form 8805 annually. This missing withholding could create additional compliance issues beyond just the unfiled 1065s. My suggestion would be to start with the most recent 3 years of partnership returns and work backwards. File Form 1065 for each year and ensure the foreign partner gets an ITIN and files their required US returns. The voluntary compliance approach typically works better than waiting for the IRS to find you. For penalty abatement, focus on any reasonable cause circumstances - were there health issues, natural disasters, or other qualifying events during this period? The low income amounts might help with demonstrating that this wasn't willful tax evasion. Consider consulting with a tax professional who has experience with international partnerships, as the foreign partner requirements add significant complexity to an already challenging situation.

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Demi Hall

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Has anyone else noticed that tax preparers are getting shadier every year? Last time I used one, they "accidentally" checked the box to take their fee from my refund even though I paid cash upfront. When I questioned it they acted like it was a small mistake that wouldn't affect anything. Found out later they get kickbacks from the bank that processes those transactions.

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Yeah, I worked briefly at a tax prep chain and quit after seeing how they pushed these refund products. Managers got bonuses based on how many clients used the refund transfer products. They told us to "just check the box" and not explain the fees. Super unethical.

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Natasha Ivanova

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I'm really sorry you're dealing with this situation. Based on what you've described, this definitely sounds like an unauthorized refund transfer product was used without your knowledge or consent. Since you paid upfront in cash, there was absolutely no legitimate reason for your preparer to route your refund through a third-party account. Here's what I'd recommend doing immediately: 1. Call the IRS at 800-829-1040 and request a "refund trace" - this will track exactly where your money went and can help recover it if it's sitting in a third-party account. 2. Get a copy of your tax transcript from the IRS (it's free) so you can see exactly what was filed under your name and what account information was used. 3. File Form 14157 with the IRS to report the preparer for potentially fraudulent practices. Even given her health situation, what happened to you was not ethical or legal. The fact that she changed your banking information without explanation and you haven't received your refund after 3 months is a major red flag. Don't feel bad about pursuing this - you deserve to get your money back and prevent this from happening to other taxpayers. The IRS takes these complaints seriously and has processes in place to help victims of preparer fraud.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Be careful about timing here. I tried this route last year and was denied because I waited too long. I filed in February, discovered the offset in March, but didn't contact my loan servicer until May thinking I could take my time gathering documentation. Turns out most servicers have a 90-day window from the offset date, and I missed it by about 2 weeks. Now I'm on an IBR plan but that money is gone for good. The worst part? If I had set up the IBR a month earlier, the offset might never have happened in the first place.

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Ben Cooper

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This is such valuable information! I wish I had known about these options when my refund got hit with an offset two years ago. For anyone reading this thread, I want to emphasize what several people mentioned about timing - don't wait like I did. I assumed the money was just gone and didn't even try to fight it. Now I'm kicking myself seeing that there were actually options available. The 60-90 day window seems to be pretty standard across servicers, so if this happens to you, act immediately. Also, document EVERYTHING - take screenshots of your bank balance, save any overdue notices, and keep records of all your calls. Having worked in customer service myself, I know that detailed documentation makes a huge difference in how seriously your case gets treated.

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Emma Bianchi

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Let me clarify a few points about the PATH Act and the Child Tax Credit for 2023 tax returns: โ€ข The PATH Act delays refunds for returns claiming EITC and the refundable portion of CTC (Additional Child Tax Credit) โ€ข For 17-year-olds in 2023, the $500 credit is technically part of the Child Tax Credit structure โ€ข Whether PATH applies depends on if any portion is refundable vs. just reducing tax liability โ€ข The 21-day processing guideline is separate from PATH Act holds โ€ข Many returns are taking longer than 21 days this tax season due to high volume

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Aliyah Debovski

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I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation! Filed February 8th with the $500 CTC for my 17-year-old and still waiting. From what I've gathered reading through these responses, it seems like the PATH Act might still apply even for the reduced credit amount, but the timeline can vary quite a bit. I've been checking my transcript obsessively and finally saw the 570/971 codes that @Joshua Hellan mentioned - at least now I know it's normal processing rather than an error. Planning to call the IRS next week if I don't see an 846 code by then. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it really helps to know others are going through the same thing!

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Hugh Intensity

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This is a great discussion! I'm seeing multiple valid explanations here. Having worked in retail bookkeeping, I think there might be confusion between different types of taxes at play. The inventory accounting issue (COGS impact on income tax) that Fatima explained is real - keeping more inventory means less expense recognition, potentially higher taxable income. But the panic about "end of day" suggests this might actually be about personal property tax that Yara mentioned, where inventory is assessed on a specific date. What's concerning is the owner creating urgency without explaining the actual tax mechanism. If it's personal property tax, the amount is usually small compared to lost revenue from fire sales. If it's income tax planning, there are better strategies than last-minute inventory dumps. Your buddy should ask the owner to clarify exactly which tax they're concerned about and get the specific statute or tax code. That way they can calculate whether aggressive inventory reduction actually saves money or just creates unnecessary business disruption.

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Kingston Bellamy

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For learning about business tax obligations, I'd recommend starting with the IRS Small Business Tax Center (irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed). It breaks down the different types of taxes pretty clearly - income, employment, excise, and property taxes each work differently. Your state's Department of Revenue website is crucial too, since property tax on business inventory varies wildly by state. Some states exempt inventory entirely, others tax it as personal property, and a few have special rules for certain industries like liquor stores. The key insight from this thread is exactly what you noticed - knowing which specific tax you're dealing with changes everything. Income tax planning happens throughout the year and focuses on timing of expenses. Personal property tax is usually assessed on a specific date (like January 1st) and taxes the value of assets you own that day. Sales tax is transactional and happens with each sale. Most business owners I've worked with get confused because their accountant mentions "inventory affects your taxes" without specifying which taxes and how. Getting that clarity upfront prevents the kind of last-minute panic your buddy's boss is experiencing.

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Kayla Morgan

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For learning about different business tax obligations, I'd recommend starting with the IRS Small Business and Self-Employed Tax Center on their website - it breaks down the different types of taxes businesses face pretty clearly. The SBA (Small Business Administration) also has good educational resources. What really helped me understand the distinctions was realizing that sales tax is about what you collect from customers, income tax is about your business profits, and personal property tax (where applicable) is about the value of your business assets on a specific assessment date. For a liquor store specifically, they're dealing with additional complexities like excise taxes and special licensing requirements that can make things even more confusing. If your buddy's boss is making these urgent decisions without clear explanations, it might be worth suggesting they consult with a CPA who specializes in retail businesses - the cost of professional advice is usually way less than the potential losses from poorly planned inventory decisions.

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Great question about resources! For understanding business tax obligations, I'd recommend starting with IRS Publication 334 (Tax Guide for Small Business) which breaks down the different types of taxes businesses face. The Small Business Administration (SBA.gov) also has excellent free resources explaining sales tax, income tax, and property tax differences. For inventory-specific guidance, IRS Publication 538 covers accounting periods and methods, including inventory valuation. Your state's Department of Revenue website will have details about local personal property taxes on business inventory - this varies significantly by state. What I've found most helpful is that each type of tax has different deadlines and calculation methods. Sales tax is typically monthly/quarterly and based on actual sales. Income tax planning happens throughout the year with annual filing. Personal property tax is often assessed on a specific date (like January 1st) and paid annually to local jurisdictions. The key is figuring out which tax the owner is actually worried about, then you can research the specific rules and deadlines that apply. Most of the panic I've seen comes from business owners mixing up these different tax obligations or getting incomplete information from well-meaning but uninformed advisors.

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Avery Saint

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You're absolutely right about red flags! The "end of day" urgency is a huge one - legitimate tax planning rarely involves same-day panic decisions. Other warning signs include: vague explanations without citing specific tax codes, advice that seems to contradict basic business sense (like deliberately running out of sellable inventory), and conflating different types of taxes without clarification. In my experience, when someone can't explain *which* specific tax they're concerned about or *why* the timing is critical, it often means they've heard something secondhand and are repeating it without understanding. Good tax advice should always include the underlying reasoning and specific legal basis. For the liquor store situation, I'd suggest the buddy ask the owner: "Is this about personal property tax assessed on January 1st, or income tax planning for the year?" That simple question should quickly reveal whether the owner actually understands the issue or is just reacting to incomplete information they heard somewhere.

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Javier Morales

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Absolutely! The "end of day" urgency is definitely a red flag that suggests confusion about tax deadlines. Here are some warning signs I've noticed when people mix up tax obligations: 1. **Arbitrary deadlines** - Like the "end of day" panic. Most legitimate tax strategies involve planning weeks or months ahead, not same-day fire sales. 2. **Vague explanations** - When someone says "we'll owe taxes on inventory" without specifying which tax (sales, income, or property) and the exact calculation method. 3. **One-size-fits-all advice** - Blanket statements like "reduce all inventory before year-end" without considering the business's specific situation, tax bracket, or state laws. 4. **Extreme measures** - Recommending major business disruptions (like deep discounting) for relatively small tax savings. The best tax advice usually comes with specific numbers: "Based on our 25% tax bracket and $10K inventory, keeping this stock will cost approximately $X in additional taxes, but selling it at a 30% discount will lose $Y in profit." If someone can't explain the math behind their tax advice or creates artificial urgency, it's worth getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in retail businesses.

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