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my sister in PA got hers in like 5 days im so jealous rn
facts PA be living in 3025 while NY stuck in 1999 š
This happens literally every year and we never learn lol. NY always slower than molasses in January smh
Great question! I've been wondering about this too. What really strikes me is how we went from having so many brackets in the past to basically flattening everything out. One thing I've noticed is that when people talk about "tax the rich," they often focus on income tax brackets, but as someone mentioned, the ultra-wealthy get most of their money through capital gains, which are taxed at much lower rates (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on income level, versus up to 37% for regular income). It seems like we could potentially add more income tax brackets AND reform capital gains taxation to make the system more progressive overall. The fact that someone making $50 million pays the same marginal rate as someone making $700k on their regular income does seem pretty arbitrary when you think about it. I'm curious if other countries have more granular bracket systems? Maybe we could learn from what works elsewhere instead of just debating the same old talking points.
You're absolutely right about looking at other countries! Several European nations have much more granular tax systems. For example, Belgium has multiple brackets that go well above our top rate, and countries like France and Germany have implemented various wealth taxes alongside their income tax systems. What's interesting is that many of these countries haven't seen the massive capital flight that opponents always warn about. Sure, some wealthy individuals relocate, but the economies generally remain strong and the additional revenue funds robust public services. The capital gains point is huge too. Warren Buffett famously pointed out that he pays a lower effective tax rate than his secretary because most of his wealth comes from investments. If we're serious about progressive taxation, we'd need to address both income brackets AND investment income taxation together. Otherwise we're just tinkering around the edges while the real wealth accumulation happens in a completely different (and more favorable) tax structure.
This is such a fascinating discussion! As someone who's been trying to wrap my head around tax policy lately, I really appreciate all the different perspectives here. What strikes me most is how the debate seems to get stuck on the same old arguments when there are clearly more nuanced approaches we could consider. The point about capital gains taxation is huge - it seems like we're having half the conversation if we only focus on income tax brackets while ignoring how the ultra-wealthy actually accumulate and structure their wealth. I'm also intrigued by the international comparisons mentioned. Has anyone looked into whether countries with more progressive tax systems (more brackets + higher rates) actually see better economic outcomes for the middle class? It seems like that would be pretty relevant data for this debate. One thing I keep coming back to is the complexity argument against more brackets. Like, my tax software already handles all the calculations anyway - whether there are 7 brackets or 15 doesn't really affect me as a taxpayer. But it could potentially generate significant revenue for things like infrastructure, education, healthcare. Seems like a pretty good trade-off if the main downside is that wealthy people's accountants have to do slightly more complex math?
I'm a former banking operations specialist, and there may be some additional factors at play here. Chase, like most large banks, typically processes ACH transfers in batches, usually around 2-3 times per day. If the IRS transmission occurred after the final batch on 3/19, it would likely be processed the following business day. Additionally, there could possibly be a security hold if this is a new account, if the amount is significantly larger than previous deposits, or if there have been recent account changes. These holds are generally 2-3 business days but can extend to 5 business days in some circumstances.
Let me clarify the process when you call Chase about a missing tax refund: 1. Call the direct deposit department (not general customer service) 2. Provide your mother-in-law's account information 3. Ask specifically about pending ACH transfers from the Treasury 4. Request information about any security holds 5. If it's been more than 3 business days, request escalation to a supervisor 6. Document the call with representative name, time, and case number if provided
@Lucy Taylor how does one get in touch with direct deposit dept
I'm dealing with this exact same situation right now! My DDD was 3/19 with Chase and I'm still waiting too. After reading all these responses, I called Chase this morning using the advice from @Lucy Taylor about calling the direct deposit department specifically. The rep told me they can see a "processing deposit" from the Treasury that should post within 24-48 hours. She said it's been in their system since 3/20 but got flagged for their standard tax refund verification process. Apparently this is happening to a lot of Chase customers with DDDs from 3/19. Really frustrating that they don't show these as pending in online banking! I'll update once it hits my account.
This is really helpful information! Thanks for actually calling and sharing what you found out. It's so frustrating that Chase doesn't show these "processing deposits" in online banking - makes us all think something went wrong when really they're just holding it for their verification process. I'm in the same boat with a 3/19 DDD and Chase, so I'm going to call them today using the same approach you did. Really appreciate you taking the time to update us with what the rep told you. Hopefully we'll all see our refunds hit within the next day or two!
@Ethan Brown what s'the direct deposit dept #
I went through this exact situation two years ago and can confirm you'll definitely get your TDS refund! The late PAN-Aadhar linking doesn't make you ineligible for refunds - it just means higher TDS rates were applied temporarily. Here's what actually happens: When your PAN-Aadhar isn't linked, employers are required to deduct TDS at higher rates (usually 20% instead of 10%). But when you file your ITR, the system calculates your actual tax liability based on your income slab, not the TDS rate that was applied. In my case, I had about 75k deducted at the higher rate and got back around 45k when I filed. The refund came through within 6 weeks of filing, which was pretty standard timing. Just make sure to file your ITR before the deadline and verify that all your TDS entries in Form 26AS match what your employer deducted. The system will automatically calculate any excess TDS as refundable. Don't stress too much - you haven't lost that money permanently!
This is exactly what I needed to hear! Your experience gives me so much hope. I've been losing sleep over this 80k thinking it might be gone forever. The fact that you got 45k back out of 75k deducted shows the system actually works fairly. Quick question - when you mention verifying Form 26AS entries, did you have to manually check each TDS certificate against what shows up in the form, or is there an easier way to spot discrepancies? My employer's HR department isn't the most reliable, so I want to make sure everything matches up before filing. Also, 6 weeks for refund processing sounds pretty reasonable! I was worried it might take months or get stuck somewhere in the system.
I've been through this exact scenario and want to reassure you - you'll definitely get your TDS refund! Late PAN-Aadhar linking doesn't disqualify you from claiming excess TDS back. Here's what happened in my case: I linked my PAN-Aadhar about 3 months late, and my company deducted TDS at 20% instead of 10% during that period. When I filed my ITR for that year, I got back approximately 38k out of the 52k excess that was deducted. The key things to remember: 1. Higher TDS rates are just a temporary penalty, not permanent loss 2. Your actual tax liability is calculated based on income slabs, not TDS rates applied 3. File your ITR before the deadline and ensure all TDS details in Form 26AS are accurate 4. The refund process is automated - if you've paid more tax than you owe, you'll get it back One practical tip: Download your Form 26AS a few days before filing your ITR and cross-check it against your salary slips/TDS certificates. Sometimes there can be reporting delays, especially when PAN-Aadhar linking happens mid-year. Don't let your colleagues' conflicting advice stress you out - the tax system is designed to refund excess payments regardless of when you completed the PAN-Aadhar linking!
Thanks for sharing your experience, Manny! This is really helpful to see multiple real cases where people got their refunds despite late linking. Your tip about downloading Form 26AS a few days before filing is great - I hadn't thought about potential reporting delays. One thing I'm curious about - when you mention cross-checking Form 26AS against salary slips, what specific things should we be looking for? Are there common discrepancies that happen when PAN-Aadhar linking is delayed? I want to make sure I catch any issues before filing so I don't have to deal with corrections later. Also, did you face any challenges during the refund process, or was it pretty smooth once you filed correctly?
Mateo Silva
Whatever you do, avoid those "Tax Relief" places that advertise on the radio! I made that mistake and paid $3000 upfront only to discover they just filed basic paperwork I could have done myself. Total ripoff.
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Victoria Jones
ā¢I second this! Those national tax relief companies are the worst. They take thousands upfront then assign your case to the most junior person in the office. My brother got burned by one of the big names you hear advertised everywhere.
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ShadowHunter
I went through this exact situation about 18 months ago - 5 years unfiled, similar amount owed. Here's what I learned: 1. Don't panic about the amount you think you owe. My "rough calculation" was way off because I hadn't accounted for legitimate business deductions and the standard deduction increases over those years. 2. Start with getting your IRS transcripts immediately - you can request them online at irs.gov. This will show you exactly what income the IRS has on file for each year. 3. Look for an Enrolled Agent rather than a CPA if possible. EAs specialize specifically in tax issues and IRS representation. The National Association of Enrolled Agents website has a "find an EA" tool. 4. When interviewing professionals, ask specifically about their experience with multiple years of unfiled returns and how they handle penalty abatement requests. A good professional should mention First Time Penalty Abatement and reasonable cause arguments. 5. Be prepared to pay the professional fees upfront - legitimate tax professionals don't work on contingency like those scammy relief companies. The whole process took about 4 months for me, but getting it behind me was such a relief. You're smart to handle this proactively rather than waiting for the IRS to come after you.
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Leo McDonald
ā¢This is incredibly helpful, thank you! Quick question about the transcripts - when you say you can request them online, do you need to create an account with the IRS or can you just download them directly? I'm a bit nervous about setting up online access with them given my situation, but if it's the fastest way to get the information I need, I'll do it. Also, when you mention the standard deduction increases - I hadn't even thought about that! Do you remember roughly how much that helped reduce what you actually owed versus your initial estimate?
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