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Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet: If you agree with the IRS's findings on the 4800C, you typically have payment options. You can pay in full immediately, set up an installment agreement, or potentially qualify for an Offer in Compromise if you can't pay the full amount. The key is to respond within the timeframe they specify (usually 30 days) even if you can't pay right away. Ignoring the notice will only result in additional interest and potential penalties. Also, keep in mind that if you disagree, the burden of proof is on you to show why the IRS determination is incorrect.
This is such an important point about responding even if you can't pay! I made the mistake of ignoring a notice years ago because I couldn't afford the payment, and ended up with so much more in penalties and interest. Wish I had known then that the IRS is actually pretty reasonable about setting up payment plans if you just communicate with them.
Do you know if responding and setting up a payment plan affects your credit score? I've heard conflicting information about whether IRS debt appears on credit reports or not.
Hey Andre! I totally understand your panic - I had the same reaction when I got my first 4800C notice! š The good news is that everyone here has given you excellent advice. Since you mentioned you sold stocks this year and tried doing your own taxes, there's a very high chance this is related to those stock transactions. Here's what probably happened: When you sold your stocks, your broker reported the sale proceeds to the IRS on a 1099-B form. But sometimes the cost basis (what you originally paid for the stocks) isn't reported correctly or at all. So the IRS thinks you made more profit than you actually did. Before you do anything else, grab your original tax return and compare it line by line with what the IRS is showing on the notice. Look specifically at Schedule D if you reported capital gains. The discrepancy might be obvious once you see them side by side. Also, definitely keep all your brokerage statements and purchase records handy - you'll likely need them to prove your actual cost basis if you disagree with their calculations. Don't let the tax jargon intimidate you - you've got this! šŖ
This is really helpful advice! I'm new here but dealing with something similar - got my first 4800C last week and was absolutely terrified. The stock sale explanation makes so much sense. I also did my own taxes this year for the first time and sold some inherited stocks from my grandmother's estate. The whole cost basis thing is so confusing when you inherit stocks because apparently the basis "steps up" to the fair market value when the person dies? I had no idea about any of this stuff. Thank you for breaking it down in simple terms - it's such a relief to know other people have gone through this and survived! š
Has anyone actually had the IRS contact them about this kind of duplicate 1099 situation? I'm wondering how likely it is that this would trigger an audit or something.
Yes, I've been through this. The IRS sent me a CP2000 notice saying I underreported income because they saw both 1099s. Had to send a written explanation showing it was the same money. Took months to resolve. Document everything!
This is such a frustrating situation that happens way too often with online gambling platforms! I went through the same thing last year with DraftKings and Venmo. The key thing to remember is that you absolutely need to report both 1099s on your return, but you only pay taxes on the actual income once. When you're in TurboTax, enter both forms exactly as they appear, then look for the "duplicate income" or "adjustment" section where you can subtract out the duplicated amount. Make sure you keep detailed records showing the money flow - screenshot your PrizePicks withdrawal, your PayPal deposit, and any confirmation emails. If the IRS ever questions it, you want to be able to show a clear paper trail that it's the same funds. Also pro tip: if the amounts are slightly different due to processing fees, report the higher amount (usually from the gambling platform) as your income, and you might be able to deduct those transfer fees if you itemize. The most important thing is being consistent and having good documentation to back up your filing.
This is really helpful! I'm curious though - when you say to look for the "duplicate income" section in TurboTax, where exactly is that located? I've been going through my return and can't seem to find a specific section labeled that way. Is it under a different name or in a particular part of the software? I want to make sure I'm handling this correctly and not missing something obvious.
Pro tip: set up alerts with your bank. way better than refreshing wmr every 5 mins like a clown š¤”
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Congrats on getting your 0405! I'm still waiting on mine but this gives me hope. Quick question - did you file early or around the usual time? Trying to figure out if filing date affects when the 0405 shows up. Also curious if anyone knows what happens if your bank rejects the deposit - does it automatically switch to a paper check or do we have to do something?
Quick tip on the PayPal/1099-K situation - PayPal is required to issue 1099-Ks for annual payments over a certain threshold, but that doesn't mean you have to pay taxes twice! When I enter my tax info, I always: 1) Enter the 1099-NEC first 2) When TurboTax asks about 1099-K, I say yes, I received one 3) When it asks if this income was already reported elsewhere, I say YES 4) It'll then ask you to identify which income it duplicates This way everything is properly documented but not double-counted. Hope that helps!
This is super helpful - thanks! TurboTax has been confusing me with this exact issue. Does this also work if the amounts don't match exactly? My 1099-NEC is slightly different than my 1099-K total (like $50 difference) because of some timing issues with the payments.
Based on your situation, here's what I'd recommend: **For the teaching income ($1,875.50):** You're absolutely right to only report this once. Use the 1099-NEC from the makerspace and ignore the PayPal 1099-K for the same payments. **For the $31.75 reimbursement:** This shouldn't be included as income since it was reimbursement for out-of-pocket expenses you incurred for the classes. You can subtract this from your total income, but then you also can't claim those material costs as expenses. **For the $25 hobby sale:** Unfortunately, yes, you need to report this as "Other Income" even though you lost money overall. The elimination of hobby expense deductions really stings in situations like yours. **Consider the business angle:** Given that you teach classes regularly at the makerspace, keep records, and have expertise in woodturning, you might actually qualify to treat this as a business rather than a hobby. This would let you use Schedule C and deduct your teaching-related expenses against your income. The key is showing profit motive - even if you're not profitable yet, if you're operating in a businesslike manner, it could qualify. I'd suggest talking to a tax professional about whether your teaching activities meet the business criteria. It could save you money and better reflect the reality of what you're doing.
This is really comprehensive advice - thank you! The business vs hobby distinction seems to be the key issue here. I'm curious though, if Malik decides to treat the teaching as a business, would that $25 from the craft fair pen sales still need to be reported separately as hobby income? Or could that also potentially be considered part of the same woodworking business since it's the same skill set and materials? It seems like having two different classifications (business teaching + hobby sales) for essentially the same activity might complicate things unnecessarily.
Emma Taylor
ur gonna need to setup state tax withholding with ur employer asap if u havent already
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Jason Brewer
Also worth noting that Arkansas allows you to deduct your federal income tax paid from your state taxable income, which can help reduce what you owe. It's one of the few states that does this! Make sure your tax preparer knows about this deduction or look for it if you're filing yourself.
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Ava Thompson
ā¢Wait, really? That's actually a huge deal! So I can deduct what I paid in federal taxes from my Arkansas state income? That could save me quite a bit coming from a no-tax state. Do you know if there are any limits on that deduction or is it the full amount?
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