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Nia Jackson

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Another thing to consider is challenging your property tax assessment if you think your home is overvalued. I did this last year and got my assessment reduced by almost $40k, which saved me about $800 annually in property taxes. The process varies by county but usually involves showing comparable sales in your area that indicate your home is assessed too high. Many counties have a specific window each year when you can appeal.

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NebulaNova

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Did you use a lawyer for your appeal or did you handle it yourself? I've been thinking about challenging mine but wasn't sure if it was worth hiring someone.

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Liam Mendez

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Great question about property tax appeals! I handled mine myself and it was actually pretty straightforward. Most counties have forms available online and the process is designed for homeowners to navigate without an attorney. I gathered comparable sales data from Zillow and the county assessor's website, took photos showing any property condition issues, and filled out the appeal form. The hearing was informal - just me presenting my case to a review board. The key was having solid comparable properties that sold recently for less than my assessed value. I'd recommend trying it yourself first since there's usually no fee to file an appeal. You can always hire a property tax consultant later if you're not comfortable with the process. Many of them work on contingency anyway, so they only get paid if they successfully reduce your assessment.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the timing - when is the best time to start gathering comparable sales data? Should I be looking at sales from the past 6 months, or is there a specific time frame that carries more weight with assessors? Also, did you find that recent sales in your immediate neighborhood were more convincing than similar homes a few streets over?

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EIC calculation discrepancy with IRS notice - self-employment impact on Earned Income Tax Credit

Hey everyone, I need some advice on our earned income tax credit situation. My husband and I file jointly and have one daughter. We're both self-employed - I run an S-Corp I started in 2024, and he works as an independent contractor. My business showed a loss this year due to all the startup expenses. We just got this CP11 notice from the IRS saying we messed up our EIC calculation and now owe the difference. According to both FreeTaxUSA and the IRS's own tables, our EIC amount should be $3,451, but the IRS is claiming it should only be $2,268. So they're asking for $1,183 plus penalties! We called the IRS but got nowhere - they suggested maybe we didn't include Schedule EIC, but we definitely did. They also hinted that maybe our business loss is affecting the calculation somehow? I talked to two tax pros but got contradicting information. Here's our tax breakdown: - Our AGI was $31,068 - My husband's business profit: $42,743 - My business loss: $-8,254 - No W-2 wages for either of us - Some minor interest income ($285) and dividends ($47) - Total business income: $34,489 - Capital loss: $-417 - Self-employment tax deduction: $2,958 - Self-employment health insurance: $378 - Standard deduction: $27,700 - QBI deduction: $664 - Taxable income: $2,704 Has anyone dealt with EIC discrepancies when you're self-employed? I'm completely confused about why our calculation is different from the IRS's.

This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar EIC discrepancy, but mine involves rental income alongside my Schedule C business. The IRS is claiming my EIC should be $800 less than what I calculated. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like the common thread is that tax software doesn't always handle the nuanced EIC calculations correctly when you have multiple income sources or business losses. The distinction between different types of self-employment income (S-Corp vs Schedule C) and how losses are applied seems to be where most of the confusion happens. Has anyone found a good resource that breaks down exactly how the IRS calculates EIC when you have both business income and losses? The IRS publications are so dense, and I'm trying to figure out if I should fight this or if they're actually right.

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Ravi Kapoor

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@Andre Rousseau, you're absolutely right about the complexity! I've been following this thread because I'm in a similar boat with my own EIC issue. The key resource that helped me understand the calculation better was IRS Publication 596 (Earned Income Credit), specifically the worksheets in the back. For rental income combined with Schedule C, you'll want to look at how the IRS treats "passive" vs "active" income for EIC purposes. Rental income typically doesn't count as earned income for EIC unless you're a real estate professional, but your Schedule C income would count (adjusted for any losses). The most frustrating part is that tax software often doesn't flag these nuanced issues during preparation. Based on what others have shared here, it might be worth using one of those analysis tools or getting through to an actual IRS agent to understand their specific calculation before deciding whether to dispute it.

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Grace Lee

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This is such a complex situation, and I feel for you dealing with this EIC discrepancy! From reading through all the responses here, it seems like the core issue might be how your S-Corp loss is being treated differently by the IRS versus your tax software for EIC calculation purposes. One thing that stands out from your situation is that you have both an S-Corp loss (-$8,254) and your husband's Schedule C profit ($42,743). The IRS has specific rules about how business losses from different entity types affect the EIC calculation, and it sounds like your software may not have applied these correctly. Here's what I'd recommend based on what others have shared: 1. Get your wage and income transcript from the IRS to see exactly what they have on file 2. Look specifically at IRS Publication 596, Worksheet B for self-employment EIC calculations 3. Verify that your software correctly distinguished between your S-Corp activities and your husband's sole proprietorship for EIC purposes The $1,183 difference ($3,451 vs $2,268) is significant enough that it's worth fighting if you're correct, but based on the experiences shared here, there's a good chance the IRS calculation might actually be right due to how S-Corp losses are treated differently than Schedule C losses for EIC purposes. Have you considered requesting a detailed explanation from the IRS about their specific calculation method for your situation?

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Sofia Perez

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Can I ask what state you're in? Different states have additional child tax credits on top of the federal ones. For example, here in NY we have an Empire State Child Credit that's worth up to 33% of the federal credit for kids over 4. Doesn't help with infants but something to keep in mind for future years.

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Not OP but I'm in Massachusetts and we have a dependent care deduction at the state level too. You can deduct up to $4,800 for one kid or $9,600 for two or more kids. This is separate from the federal benefits and FSA contributions.

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Just wanted to add another perspective on timing - if you're planning to have more kids in the next few years, keep in mind that the Child Tax Credit applies per child, so it scales up nicely. But the Dependent Care FSA stays capped at $5,000 total regardless of how many kids you have. Also, don't forget about the Child and Dependent Care Credit (Form 2441) that someone mentioned earlier - this is actually different from the Child Tax Credit and can be claimed on top of your FSA contributions, though you can't double-dip on the same expenses. At your income level, this credit phases out pretty quickly, but it's worth having your tax preparer calculate it just in case. One more tip: if either of you has a flexible work schedule, consider timing your FSA contributions to align with when you'll actually need the childcare. Some people front-load their contributions early in the year when daycare costs are highest, then adjust later in the year if needed during open enrollment.

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Honorah King

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This is really helpful info about scaling with multiple kids! Quick question - you mentioned the Child and Dependent Care Credit on Form 2441. How does that interact with the FSA contributions? I'm trying to understand if using the full $5k FSA would make us ineligible for that credit, or if we can still claim it on expenses beyond what we put through the FSA? Also, the timing tip is smart. Since our little one won't start daycare until February, should we consider spreading our FSA contributions throughout the year rather than front-loading them? I want to make sure we don't accidentally over-contribute and lose money to the "use it or lose it" rule.

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I went through this exact same situation when I got my first big promotion in California! That 39% total deduction rate is completely normal for your income bracket here, especially with bonus/backpay included in the check. What's happening is your payroll system is treating this $5,200 as your new monthly norm and calculating withholding as if you'll make ~$62k annually. Since this included one-time payments, you're probably being over-withheld for your actual annual income. Here's what I'd recommend: - Wait to see your next regular paycheck (without bonus/backpay) before panicking - Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator mid-year to check if you're on track - Remember that your 401k (6%) and health insurance aren't "lost" money - they're investments in your future The breakdown is likely: ~22% federal, ~9% CA state, 7.65% FICA, plus your 6% 401k and health premiums. California doesn't mess around with state taxes, unfortunately! Congrats on the promotion after 2 years of hard work! The financial adjustment period is tough but you'll settle into the new income level soon.

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Zara Perez

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This breakdown is super helpful! I'm feeling much better about the situation after reading all these responses. It sounds like everyone in California at this income level goes through the same shock. I'll definitely wait to see my next regular paycheck before making any W-4 adjustments. The IRS Tax Withholding Estimator suggestion keeps coming up, so I'll plan to check that mid-year to make sure I'm on track. And you're absolutely right about the 401k and health insurance being investments rather than lost money - I need to keep that perspective. Thanks for breaking down those percentages too. When you see it itemized like that (22% + 9% + 7.65% + 6% + health premiums), it makes total sense how you get to 39%. California state taxes really are no joke! I really appreciate the congratulations as well. It's been a long journey but this promotion feels like validation that the hard work was worth it, even with the tax reality check!

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I feel your pain! I had almost the exact same experience when I got promoted last year - went from around $3,800/month to $5,100 one month and nearly had a heart attack when I saw the withholding. The 39% you're seeing is definitely normal for California at your income level, especially with bonus/backpay mixed in. Your payroll system is basically calculating as if you'll make $62,400 annually ($5,200 x 12), which pushes you into higher tax brackets temporarily. Here's what helped me get through it: I tracked my actual year-to-date withholding against what I would really owe using a simple spreadsheet. Turns out I was being over-withheld by about $200/month because most of my paychecks were actually lower than that one big promotion check. Don't panic and change your W-4 immediately - wait to see what your regular paychecks look like first. The system will balance out over the year. And hey, congrats on finally getting that promotion you worked so hard for! The financial adjustment is temporary but the career advancement is permanent.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! It's so reassuring to know that someone else went through the same panic when they saw that withholding amount. The idea of tracking year-to-date withholding against actual projected tax liability in a spreadsheet is brilliant - I'm definitely going to set that up this weekend. You're absolutely right about waiting to see what regular paychecks look like before making any W-4 changes. I was getting ready to march into HR on Monday morning, but it makes way more sense to let a few normal pay cycles happen first and see the real pattern. The perspective about the financial adjustment being temporary while career advancement being permanent really helps too. After working toward this promotion for two years, I don't want to let tax anxiety overshadow what should be a celebration of professional growth. Thanks for sharing your experience and for the congratulations! It feels good to know I'm not the only one who's been through this California tax shock.

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Anyone used UFile or similar cheaper software for a multi-member LLC? I'm in the same situation (like $1500 total activity for the year) and TurboTax Business seems like overkill at that price.

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Omar Fawaz

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I used FreeTaxUSA for our small 2-person LLC last year. It was around $90 for federal and state partnership returns, which was way cheaper than TurboTax Business. The interface isn't as pretty but it got the job done with our 10-ish transactions. They have decent online help too.

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PaulineW

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I was in almost the exact same situation last year - multi-member LLC with my business partner, minimal activity (around $600 revenue, $900 expenses), and got quoted ridiculous amounts by CPAs for what seemed like simple filing. Here's what I learned: Yes, you absolutely must file Form 1065 even with minimal activity or losses. The penalty for not filing is $210 per partner per month, so with two partners you're looking at $420/month in penalties - way more than just getting it done right. I ended up using FreeTaxUSA Business for about $90 total (federal + state) instead of the $300+ TurboTax Business wanted. The interface isn't fancy but for simple partnerships like ours, it walks you through everything step by step. You'll need to create K-1s for both partners showing your share of the loss, which you'll then report on your personal returns. Pro tip: Make sure you understand your ownership percentages and how you're splitting profits/losses before you start. That's really the only "complicated" part for simple LLCs like yours. The actual data entry is straightforward when you only have a handful of transactions. Don't let the forms intimidate you - with your level of activity, this is totally doable yourself and will save you over $800 compared to those CPA quotes!

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This is super helpful, thank you! I'm in a similar boat with my LLC and was getting overwhelmed by all the conflicting advice. Quick question - when you say "understand your ownership percentages," did you and your partner have to formally document how you split things, or is it just based on what you contributed initially? We never really wrote anything formal down about our 50/50 split and I'm worried that might cause issues when filing. Also, did FreeTaxUSA handle the state requirements automatically or did you have to research what your state needed separately?

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