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Can someone tell me if this Notice 2023-21 lookback extension also applies to business returns? I have a small LLC and filed a separate business return for 2019. Wondering if I can still amend that if needed.
Yes, the extension generally applies to business returns as well! It covers Forms 1120, 1120-S, 1065, and other business returns. If your LLC files as a partnership (1065) or S-Corporation (1120-S), you'd amend with Form 1065-X or 1120-X respectively. Just keep in mind that for pass-through entities like partnerships and S-Corps, any changes to the business return might necessitate changes to your personal return as well since the income passes through to your individual tax return.
This is really helpful information! I had no idea about this extension. I'm definitely going to go back and review my 2019 return - I remember being super stressed that year with a job change and probably rushed through it. Quick question though - when you file an amended return using Form 1040-X, do you need to include copies of all the supporting documents again, or just the new ones for the changes you're making? I don't want to mess this up and delay my refund even more. Also, does anyone know roughly how long amended returns are taking to process right now? I know regular returns were backed up for a while, wondering if amendments are facing similar delays.
Great questions! For the supporting documents, you typically only need to include new documentation that supports the changes you're making on your amended return. So if you're adding a charitable deduction you missed, include that receipt. If you're claiming a new business expense, include that documentation. You don't need to re-submit everything from your original return. As for processing times, amended returns are currently taking quite a bit longer than usual - I've seen estimates of 16-20 weeks for most amendments, sometimes longer if they trigger additional review. The IRS is still working through backlogs from the pandemic years. You can check the status of your amended return using the "Where's My Amended Return?" tool on the IRS website about 3 weeks after they receive it. Given this extended lookback period from Notice 2023-21, I'd expect processing times might get even longer as more people file amendments for 2019 and 2020. But don't let that discourage you - if you're owed money, it's definitely worth the wait!
Just adding another perspective - I think the principle here is that the income has been "constructively received" in tax terms. You have the right to the money, even if there are conditions on when you can physically get it. It's like if your employer puts money in your 401k - you're taxed on the match even though you can't touch the money until retirement. Or if a client writes you a check in December but you don't cash it until January - it's still income in the year it was available to you.
That's a good comparison with the 401k matching! Never thought about it that way before. Makes sense even though it's annoying in practice.
That's a really helpful way to think about it! The constructive receipt doctrine makes more sense when you compare it to other situations like that. I guess the frustrating part is that with YouTube/AdSense, there's a real possibility you might never actually get the money if you don't continue creating content to reach the threshold. But I suppose from the IRS perspective, that's your choice rather than the money being truly unavailable to you.
I actually went through something very similar with my old Twitch affiliate account! Had about $35 sitting there that I couldn't access because I stopped streaming and never hit the $100 payout minimum. When I got the 1099, I was so confused because I literally never received any money. After doing some research, I learned that platforms like YouTube, Twitch, etc. are required to report earnings once they reach certain thresholds (usually $600+ total), even if they haven't paid you yet due to their internal payout minimums. It's frustrating because you're paying taxes on money you may never see, but legally you do have to report it. The silver lining is that if you ever do reactivate your channel and reach the payout threshold, that $24 is already "tax-paid" so you won't owe anything additional on it when you finally receive it. Still annoying though - wish these platforms would just pay out everything when accounts go inactive!
FYI - there's also the National Taxpayer Advocate office that handles more systemic issues. Different from the local TAS offices that handle individual cases. Prob not what you need rn, but good to know the diff. Also, TAS has been super backed up since COVID started and they never fully recovered their staffing. Might be worth trying to reach a regular IRS agent first to check your amended return status before escalating to TAS.
I actually got through to TAS about 6 weeks ago using that 1-877-777-4778 number. Here's what worked for me: I called at exactly 7:00 AM EST on a Tuesday and got connected after about 25 minutes on hold. The agent was really helpful once I explained that my amended return had been sitting for 5 months with no movement despite multiple calls to regular IRS lines. One thing that helped my case was that I had documentation showing the delay was affecting my ability to get a mortgage pre-approval. TAS seems to prioritize cases where you can show concrete financial impact from the delay, not just general frustration (though trust me, I was plenty frustrated too). Also, make sure you have your Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) or SSN, the tax year in question, and your most recent contact with the IRS documented before you call. They'll ask for all of this upfront to verify your case qualifies for their assistance. Good luck - the wait times are brutal but once you get through, they're actually pretty effective at cutting through the red tape!
This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was hoping to find! Thank you for the specific timing details and the tip about having documentation ready. I'm curious - when you mentioned the mortgage pre-approval issue, did you have to provide any formal documentation to TAS about that, or was it enough to just explain the situation verbally? I'm dealing with a similar situation where I need my tax documents finalized for a financial application, so this could really help my case.
Has anyone mentioned withholding yet? When I did my IRA withdrawal last year, I had them withhold 35% for federal taxes right off the top. That way I didn't have to do that recursive calculation - the withholding counts as if it was paid evenly throughout the year, so no underpayment penalties. You just fill out the form saying what % you want withheld.
That's a really good point about withholding! It solves the "recursive" problem because you don't need to withdraw extra to pay the taxes later - they're just taken out immediately. Just make sure you withhold enough to cover your actual tax liability or you could still face an underpayment penalty.
One thing that might help reduce your overall tax burden is checking if you qualify for any deductions or credits that could offset the increased income from your IRA withdrawal. Since you mentioned you're divorced, make sure you're not missing out on head of household filing status if you have dependents, or consider if you can bunch itemized deductions (like charitable contributions or state taxes) into the year you take the withdrawal to maximize their benefit. Also, don't forget about estimated quarterly tax payments! If you're taking this withdrawal mid-year and your withholding plus regular paycheck taxes won't cover the full liability, you'll need to make estimated payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS generally wants you to pay 90% of current year taxes or 100% of last year's taxes (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150k) throughout the year. Have you run the numbers on what your effective tax rate would be if you spread this over 2-3 years instead of taking it all at once? Even if it delays your home purchase slightly, the tax savings could be substantial enough to make it worthwhile.
Mateo Rodriguez
Does anyone use any good spreadsheets or apps to track all this? I'm making about $5,500/month freelancing and setting aside 25% for taxes but have no idea if that's right. Honestly tax time is so stressful every year.
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GalaxyGuardian
β’I use YNAB (You Need A Budget) to track everything. I set up separate categories for federal, state, and SE tax. Then I put 15.3% of net income into SE tax, 15% into federal income tax, and 5% into state tax. Seems to work pretty well for my situation.
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Sergio Neal
Setting aside 25% might be close, but it really depends on your specific situation! With $5,500/month ($66k annually), you'll want to factor in the QBI deduction which can significantly reduce your income tax burden. Here's a rough breakdown for your income level: - Self-employment tax: ~15.3% of net income (after the 0.9235 adjustment) - Federal income tax: Varies by deductions/credits, but likely 12-22% bracket - State tax: Depends on your state I'd recommend using a more precise calculator or spreadsheet that accounts for the QBI deduction, standard deduction, and any business expenses you have. You might actually be over-saving, which means you're missing out on cash flow you could be using for business growth or personal expenses. The stress is real though - I used to lose sleep over whether I was setting aside enough. Having a more accurate system has been a game changer for my peace of mind.
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Connor Gallagher
β’This is really helpful! I'm new to freelancing and had no idea about the QBI deduction or that 0.9235 adjustment factor. I've been setting aside a flat 30% of everything I earn, which sounds like it might be way too much based on what everyone's saying here. Do you have any recommendations for those calculators or spreadsheets you mentioned? I'd love to get a more accurate picture of what I actually owe rather than just guessing and potentially over-saving. The cash flow issue is real - I could definitely use that extra money for equipment upgrades or marketing.
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