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Trying to understand what happened... you already paid and got your federal refund, but now they want MORE money to file your state taxes? That's sketchy af. Definitely not how reputable tax services operate. Get your docs back ASAP!
This is definitely a scam! I work in tax compliance and can tell you that $1700 is extremely high for standard tax prep - that's what you'd expect to pay a high-end CPA for complex business returns with multiple entities. For individual returns, even with some complexity, you should be looking at $200-600 max. The fact that they're now asking for MORE money after you've already paid and received your federal refund is a huge red flag. Legitimate tax preparers always disclose the full fee structure upfront and state returns are typically included in the base price. Here's what I recommend: 1. Demand ALL your documents back immediately - they legally belong to you 2. File a complaint with your state's consumer protection agency 3. Consider filing a complaint with the IRS if they claim to be enrolled agents 4. Your state likely has free filing options on their department of revenue website Don't pay them another cent. You can absolutely file your state return yourself using the information from your federal return. Most state returns are much simpler than federal anyway.
Ughhh I'm still waiting for mine and it's February 12th! This is sooo annoying because my tax guy needs all my docs by the 20th or he won't guarantee filing before April. Anyone else in the same boat? I had like 200+ trades last year so maybe that's why?
I had over 300 trades and got mine yesterday. Check if you did any weird stuff like options or penny stocks. My buddy trades options and hasn't gotten his forms yet, while I mostly stuck to regular stocks and ETFs.
Thanks for the info. I did mess around with some options trading last summer, so maybe that's what's causing the delay. Guess I'll just have to tell my tax guy to wait. So frustrating!
Still waiting on mine too! I've been checking the app every day like it's going to magically appear. I did a mix of stocks and crypto trades throughout 2024, probably around 150 transactions total. It's so frustrating because I usually file my taxes in early February to get my refund ASAP, but this year I'm stuck waiting on Robinhood. Has anyone tried downloading their transaction history and just calculating everything manually? I'm tempted to do that rather than wait until the 15th, but I'm worried I'll mess something up with the cost basis calculations or miss some dividend that got reinvested automatically.
I'm in the exact same situation! Also waiting on Robinhood with around 100 trades last year including some crypto. I actually tried calculating everything manually using my transaction history, but it got really complicated fast - especially with the crypto transactions and figuring out which lots were sold for the cost basis calculations. I ended up giving up on the manual approach because I was worried about making errors that could trigger an audit later. The wash sale rules alone are confusing enough without trying to track everything across different assets. I figure it's better to wait for the official forms even if it means filing later than usual. At least we know they have to get them to us by the 15th!
I think everybody is overthinking this. If you have a rental property that isn't a triple-net lease, most tax pros consider it a business eligible for QBI. The 250-hour safe harbor just gives you automatic qualification and protection from challenges. I've been claiming QBI on my 3 rentals for years with no issues. I have property managers for all of them and probably spend less than 50 hours total on them each year. Unless you're blatantly ignoring all aspects of the property, you're probably fine.
I wouldn't be so confident about that. My neighbor got audited specifically over QBI claims on her rental properties last year. IRS made her prove it was a business activity and not just an investment. Ended up owing back taxes plus penalties.
I've been through this exact same situation and ended up working with a tax professional who specializes in QBI deductions. What I learned is that the key isn't just how many hours you spend, but the nature and regularity of your activities. In your case, regularly communicating with the PM about maintenance, HOA compliance, inspection scheduling, and tenant renewals actually demonstrates significant business involvement. The fact that you're making decisions and staying involved rather than just collecting rent checks is important. My CPA explained that courts have looked at factors like: Do you maintain separate business records? Do you actively market the property? Do you make business decisions about repairs, improvements, and tenant selection? Are you involved in setting rent rates? Even with a property manager handling day-to-day operations, if you can show you're actively managing the business aspects of the rental, you may have a solid case. The $2,600 in potential tax savings definitely justifies getting a professional opinion from someone who really knows QBI rules. I'd recommend finding a CPA who has experience with rental property QBI cases specifically - it made all the difference for me.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the separate business records aspect you mentioned. Do you mean having a dedicated business bank account for the rental property, or is it more about keeping detailed records of income and expenses? I currently just track everything in a spreadsheet but don't have a separate account - wondering if that could hurt my case for QBI eligibility.
As a newcomer here, I really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences! I'm in a similar situation to the original poster - filed for the first time this year and feeling completely overwhelmed by all the different ways to check my refund status. Reading through these responses, it sounds like getting set up with transcript access is definitely worth the hassle, even though the ID.me verification process sounds intimidating. Can someone clarify - if I'm checking my transcript and see that code 846 with a date, is that the date the IRS actually sends the money, or when they approve it for sending? I want to make sure I understand the timeline correctly so I can plan accordingly. Thanks for being so helpful to us newbies!
Great question about the 846 code timing! From my experience, the 846 date is when the IRS actually releases/sends your refund, not just when they approve it. So if you see "846 03/15/2024" that means your refund should hit your bank account on or very close to March 15th (usually within 1-2 business days for direct deposit). It's much more accurate than the vague "approved" status you get from WMR. The whole transcript system definitely feels overwhelming at first, but once you understand those key codes, it's like having insider information! @Justin Trejo gave some really solid advice about the weekly Friday updates too - I ve'found that to be pretty consistent.
Just want to echo what others have said about the transcript being a game-changer! I was skeptical at first too, but after going through the ID.me setup (which yes, was annoying but only took about 2 days for me), the level of detail is incredible. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - if you're checking your transcript on mobile, the formatting can be pretty rough. I'd recommend using a computer/laptop if possible because trying to read those transaction codes on a phone screen made my eyes cross! Also, for anyone worried about the weekly Friday updates being too slow - I found that even though WMR updates daily, it would show the same "still processing" message for weeks while my transcript was actually showing progression with different codes appearing. The transcript really does give you the full picture of what's happening behind the scenes at the IRS.
Edison Estevez
Has anyone actually tried to do what OP is asking on their tax return? I'm curious if the tax software would even let you. When I use TurboTax, it seems to automatically apply as much investment interest as possible against my investment income.
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
ā¢I tried to do exactly this in TaxAct last year and the software wouldn't allow it. When I entered my investment income and interest expense on Form 4952, it automatically used all the expense up to my income amount and only carried forward the excess. I couldn't find any override option.
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Dylan Fisher
I appreciate everyone's thorough discussion on this topic. As someone who works in tax preparation, I can confirm what others have said - the IRS does NOT allow voluntary deferral of investment interest expense when you have sufficient investment income to use it in the current year. The key thing to understand is that Form 4952 is a calculation form, not an election form. Line 5 (deductible investment interest expense) is determined by the lesser of your investment interest expense or your net investment income - there's no checkbox or option to voluntarily reduce this amount. However, the suggestion about managing the timing of income recognition is spot-on. You do have control over when you realize capital gains by choosing when to sell investments. If you're really looking to defer the tax benefit, consider whether you truly need to realize all those gains this year, or if some could be pushed to next year when the deduction might be more valuable to you. Just remember that any tax planning strategy should consider your overall financial picture, not just one deduction in isolation.
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Lucas Lindsey
ā¢This is really helpful to hear from someone who actually works in tax prep! I'm curious about one thing though - when you mention managing the timing of income recognition, are there any other strategies beyond just delaying capital gains realization? For instance, what about bond interest or other investment income that might have some timing flexibility? I'm trying to understand all the legitimate ways to work within the system since the direct deferral approach isn't allowed.
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