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One thing to keep in mind is that for 2017 returns, you're actually past the statute of limitations for getting a refund (typically 3 years from the original due date), but you should still file to avoid ongoing penalties if you owed taxes. The IRS wage and income transcript is definitely your best bet for getting the W2 information you need. Also, since you mentioned this was from a move in 2018, make sure to update your address with the IRS if you haven't already - you can do this online or by filing Form 8822. This will ensure any correspondence about your back taxes gets to you at your current address. Good luck getting caught up!
This is really important to know about the statute of limitations! I had no idea there was a 3-year window for refunds. So even if I file my 2017 return now and it shows I overpaid, I won't get that money back? That's frustrating but I guess better to know now. I definitely need to update my address with the IRS - I've moved twice since 2018 and never thought to tell them. Thanks for mentioning Form 8822, that's super helpful!
Another option that worked for me when I was missing old W2s - check if you have any old bank statements or pay stubs from 2017. Even if you don't have the actual W2s, having pay stubs can help you verify the information on the IRS wage transcript when you get it. I found some old pay stubs in a random folder that helped me confirm the numbers matched up correctly. Also, if you used any tax software like TurboTax or H&R Block in previous years (even if you didn't finish filing), they sometimes keep your partially completed returns in their systems. Worth logging into any old accounts you might have had to see if there's any 2017 data saved there. It's a long shot but could save you some time! One more thing - when you do get your wage transcript from the IRS, double-check that it includes ALL your employers from 2017. Sometimes if a company didn't report properly, their info might not show up on the transcript, and you'd need to track that down separately.
This is such great advice! I actually just remembered I might have some old bank statements saved in a box somewhere. Even if I can't find pay stubs, the bank deposits might help me figure out what my income was from each job. The tip about checking old tax software accounts is brilliant too - I think I started a TurboTax return in 2018 but never finished it, so there might be some 2017 data in there. Really appreciate you mentioning to double-check that all employers show up on the transcript. I hadn't thought about the possibility that one of them might not have reported properly, especially since one of those retail places seemed pretty disorganized. Thanks for all the detailed suggestions!
Don't forget to look into the step-up in basis rules if these stocks were actually inherited rather than gifted to you from your grandparents! The language in your post makes it sound like maybe your grandparents passed away and you inherited these stocks? If they were inherited (not gifted while your grandparents were alive), you likely received a "step-up" in basis to the market value on the date of their death. This would be HUGELY beneficial for tax purposes because any gains that occurred during your grandparents' lifetime would never be taxed.
Sorry for the confusion! My grandparents are still alive and well - they just helped set up an investment account for me when I was younger and have been managing it. So these were gifts they made to me over time, not an inheritance. Though that step-up in basis thing sounds like a nice tax benefit for inherited assets.
Thanks for clarifying! In that case, you'd indeed be working with the original cost basis as others have mentioned. Just as an FYI for future reference - the step-up in basis is indeed one of the biggest tax advantages in the tax code. When someone inherits appreciated assets after a person's death, the cost basis "steps up" to the fair market value on the date of death. This effectively erases all capital gains that occurred during the deceased person's lifetime. It's why some wealthy families hold appreciated assets until death rather than selling them during their lifetime. Definitely something to keep in mind for estate planning when you're older!
Just wanted to add another perspective on the transfer process itself - you might want to consider whether a direct stock transfer is actually the best approach here. Instead of transferring the actual stocks to your partner's account, you could potentially sell the stocks in your account, pay any capital gains tax (which might be minimal if your cost basis is relatively high), and then gift the cash proceeds. This would give your partner a "clean slate" to invest in whatever they think is best, rather than inheriting your grandparents' old stock picks and cost basis. The downside is you'd pay capital gains tax now instead of deferring it, but the upside is your partner gets full flexibility and a fresh cost basis at current market prices. Given that you mentioned they're really good at investing, they might prefer to start with cash and build their own portfolio rather than managing positions they didn't choose. Just something to consider - the "right" approach depends on your specific tax situation and investment goals!
That's actually a really smart point I hadn't thought about! The tax implications of selling vs transferring could work out better depending on how much the stocks have appreciated since my grandparents bought them. If the original cost basis is pretty low (which it might be if they've been holding some of these stocks for years), then my partner would eventually face a huge capital gains bill when they sell. But if I sell them now and gift the cash, I'd pay the capital gains at my current tax rate, and then my partner gets to invest that money with a fresh start. Plus like you said, my partner might have totally different investment ideas than what my grandparents picked years ago. They're really into tech stocks and ESG investing, while I think my grandparents went for more traditional blue chip stuff. Starting fresh with cash might actually align better with their investment strategy. Do you know if there's a way to figure out roughly what the capital gains would be before deciding which route to take?
One thing nobody mentioned - if she's generating income from the parking lot, she needs to report that on Schedule E as rental income. But if she's actively managing it (like a parking business with attendants, etc.), it might need to go on Schedule C and be subject to self-employment tax. Big difference tax-wise!
This is such an important distinction! I have a small parking lot behind my building that I rent out monthly spots in, and my accountant has me report it on Schedule E. Saves me the 15.3% self-employment tax.
Great advice everyone! Just to add one more consideration - make sure your sister keeps detailed records of any expenses related to the parking lot (maintenance, repairs, insurance, etc.) as these can be deducted against the rental income. Also, if she decides to make any improvements like adding lighting, security cameras, or resurfacing, those improvements would also be depreciable assets separate from the original paving. Since she's new to this, I'd really recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in real estate to make sure she's maximizing all available deductions and handling the depreciation correctly. The rules can get complex, especially with inherited property, and getting it right from the start will save headaches later during audits or when she eventually sells.
This is really helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation with some inherited commercial property. Quick question - when you mention keeping detailed records of expenses, does that include things like snow removal and line painting for the parking spaces? Also, how long should she keep these records? I've heard different things about how long the IRS can go back and audit property depreciation.
I'm dealing with a 470 code right now too and this thread has been incredibly helpful! Been waiting about 4 weeks and was starting to panic that I'd never see my refund. The fact that you have a court ruling in your favor is amazing - that's solid legal proof the IRS can't ignore. From everything I've read here, it sounds like they'll probably offset some of your refund against the outstanding balance, but with your hardship status and that court documentation, you should definitely see at least a portion back. The waiting is absolutely brutal but everyone's experiences here show that these codes do eventually clear, usually within 6-12 weeks. Keep copies of everything and don't be afraid to call for updates every couple weeks. Your case sounds really strong with all that documentation backing you up! Hang in there! š¤
Wow, reading through everyone's experiences here has been such a huge relief! I just got hit with a 470 code last week and was literally losing sleep over it š° The original poster's situation with the court ruling sounds really promising - that's like having a golden ticket when dealing with the IRS! I'm totally new to all this tax stuff and had no idea these codes were so common or that people actually do get their refunds (even if partially). The 6-12 week timeline everyone's mentioning feels way more manageable than I was expecting. Thanks everyone for sharing your stories - this community is seriously amazing for helping people navigate these stressful situations! š
I'm in a very similar situation with a 470 code that's been pending for about 6 weeks now! Reading through everyone's experiences here is giving me so much hope. The court ruling you have is absolutely huge - that's solid legal documentation that proves the IRS made an error with the original EIC adjustment. From what I've learned through my own research and calling the IRS multiple times, they typically do apply refunds to outstanding balances, but with hardship status and especially with court documentation like yours, you should definitely see at least a partial refund. Most people I've talked to with 470 codes see resolution within 8-12 weeks, though the waiting feels like forever! Make sure you keep multiple copies of that court ruling and consider faxing it directly to the processing center if you haven't already - sometimes things get lost in their system. Keep calling every 2-3 weeks for updates and document everything. Your case looks really strong with all that legal backing! Hang in there - this will work out in your favor! šŖ
This is such a helpful thread! I just got my first 470 code about 2 weeks ago and was completely panicking - had no idea what it meant or if I'd ever see my refund. Reading everyone's experiences here is so reassuring, especially seeing that people with strong documentation like court rulings tend to get at least partial refunds even with outstanding balances. The 8-12 week timeline you mentioned feels way more reasonable than some of the horror stories I've seen online. I don't have anything as solid as a court ruling for my situation, but it's encouraging to know these codes do eventually resolve. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience and advice - this community has been a lifesaver for understanding what to expect! š
James Maki
This is a really nuanced decision that depends heavily on your specific financial situation. I've been through a similar analysis with my manufacturing business, and one thing I'd add is to consider the cash flow implications beyond just the tax benefits. When you personally purchase the equipment, you're tying up your personal capital (or taking on personal debt) that could be used elsewhere. The S-Corp lease payments become a fixed monthly expense, which can actually help with budgeting and cash flow management for the business. Also worth noting - if your S-Corp ever needs additional financing, having the equipment owned personally can sometimes complicate loan applications since the collateral isn't owned by the borrowing entity. Some lenders prefer when the business owns its core operational assets. Before making this decision, I'd strongly recommend running actual numbers on both scenarios using your projected income, tax brackets, and the specific equipment costs. The "best" choice really varies based on your personal vs. business tax situations, how long you plan to keep the equipment, and your overall financial goals.
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Daniel Washington
ā¢Great point about the cash flow and financing implications! I'm just starting to think through this arrangement and hadn't considered how it might affect future lending decisions. When you went through your analysis, did you find any particular scenarios where the personal ownership route made more sense, or was it pretty case-by-case? I'm trying to figure out if there are any general rules of thumb before I dive into running all the numbers.
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Gabriel Ruiz
I've been following this discussion and wanted to share my experience from the lender's perspective, since I work in commercial lending. James raises an excellent point about financing complications that people often overlook. When evaluating loan applications, we generally prefer when businesses own their core operational assets because it strengthens the company's balance sheet and provides clearer collateral. Personal ownership of business-critical equipment can create several issues: 1. The personal guarantor's debt-to-income ratio gets impacted by the equipment financing, which can limit their borrowing capacity 2. Cross-collateralization becomes more complex when assets are split between personal and business ownership 3. If the business fails, there's no automatic way for us to claim equipment that's personally owned (even though it's used in the business) That said, it's not a deal-breaker - just adds complexity. We've worked with plenty of clients who have this arrangement, but they often need higher down payments or additional collateral to offset the increased risk. My advice would be to factor in your future capital needs when making this decision. If you're planning to expand or may need equipment financing down the road, keeping everything under the S-Corp might be the cleaner approach, even if it's not optimal from a pure tax perspective.
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Connor O'Neill
ā¢This is really valuable insight from the lending side that I hadn't considered! As someone new to this whole setup, I'm wondering - when you say "higher down payments or additional collateral," are we talking significantly higher? Like 10-20% more, or is it more substantial? Also, if someone already has this personal ownership arrangement in place, is there any way to "clean it up" later by transferring the equipment to the business, or does that create its own tax complications? I'm trying to understand if this is a decision I need to get right from the start or if there's flexibility to adjust course later. Thanks for sharing the lender perspective - definitely something I need to factor into my decision making process!
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