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Maya Patel

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Yes, OASDI is absolutely the same as Social Security! OASDI stands for "Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance" - that's just the official government name for what we commonly call Social Security. For 2025, the maximum OASDI contribution is $11,780 (6.2% of the $190,000 wage base limit). Looking at your YTD of $9,342.18, you're getting pretty close! You've got about $2,438 left before hitting the cap. Once you hit that maximum, your paychecks will get noticeably bigger for the rest of the year since they'll stop taking out that 6.2% OASDI deduction. It's like getting a temporary raise during the holiday season! Your employer probably won't give you a heads up - you'll just notice when your take-home pay suddenly jumps up. Based on where you're at now, you'll likely hit the cap sometime in the next couple months. Then in January 2026, the deduction will automatically start again as the system resets for the new tax year.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to understanding payroll taxes and had the exact same question about OASDI. It's reassuring to know that hitting the cap actually means bigger paychecks for the rest of the year rather than something to worry about. One follow-up question - does the Medicare tax (the other part of FICA) work the same way with a cap, or does that continue all year regardless of how much you earn? I see it listed separately on my paystub as "Medicare" or sometimes "FICA-HI" and want to make sure I understand the difference. Thanks for all the detailed explanations everyone - this community is incredibly helpful for navigating these confusing tax topics!

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Natalie Khan

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Great question about Medicare tax! Unlike OASDI/Social Security, Medicare tax does NOT have a wage cap - it continues at 1.45% on all your earnings throughout the entire year, no matter how much you make. So while your OASDI deduction will stop once you hit that $11,780 cap (giving you that nice 6.2% boost in take-home pay), you'll still see the Medicare deduction on every single paycheck for the full year. And if you're a high earner, there's actually an additional 0.9% Medicare surtax that kicks in once you exceed $200,000 in wages (or $250,000 if married filing jointly). So higher earners actually pay MORE in Medicare taxes as their income goes up, while Social Security contributions max out. It's definitely confusing at first, but once you understand that Social Security has a cap while Medicare doesn't, it all makes more sense when you're looking at your paystubs!

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Amina Diallo

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Yes, OASDI is exactly the same as Social Security! OASDI stands for "Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance," which is the official name for what we commonly call Social Security. For 2025, the maximum annual OASDI contribution is $11,780 (6.2% of the $190,000 wage base limit). Based on your YTD amount of $9,342.18, you're getting close to hitting that cap - you have about $2,438 left to contribute. Once you reach that maximum, the OASDI deduction will stop appearing on your paychecks for the remainder of the year, which means you'll see a nice increase in your take-home pay (that extra 6.2%!). Most employers don't give advance notice - you'll just notice when your paycheck is suddenly larger. Given your current contribution level, you'll probably hit the cap within the next few months. It's actually a nice perk of higher earnings - those last paychecks of the year feel like bonuses when the OASDI withholding stops!

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This is exactly what I needed to know! I've been stressing about whether I was calculating this correctly. It's such a relief to understand that once I hit that $11,780 cap, I'll actually see more money in my paychecks for the rest of the year rather than it being some kind of penalty or problem. I'm curious - when you say "within the next few months," do you think there's any way to calculate more precisely when I'll hit the cap? Like, if I know my salary and pay schedule, could I figure out which specific paycheck will be the last one with the full OASDI deduction? It would be fun to mark it on my calendar and look forward to that first bigger paycheck! Also, does anyone know if this same principle applies to things like bonuses? If I get a year-end bonus in December after already hitting the OASDI cap, would that bonus come without any Social Security tax taken out?

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You can definitely calculate more precisely when you'll hit the cap! Based on your current YTD of $9,342.18, you need $2,437.82 more to reach the $11,780 maximum. If you divide that remaining amount by your typical OASDI deduction per paycheck ($783.25 from your example), you'd hit the cap in about 3.1 pay periods. So if you're paid biweekly, that's roughly 6-7 weeks from your last paycheck shown. And yes, any bonuses received after you've already hit the annual OASDI cap will come without Social Security tax! Only Medicare tax (1.45%) would still apply to the bonus. It's actually one of the nice perks of hitting the cap early - those year-end bonuses keep more of their value since they avoid the 6.2% OASDI withholding. Just keep in mind that if your regular salary varies (overtime, commissions, etc.), the timeline might shift a bit, but you can always recalculate as you get closer!

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Amina Bah

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I found a free Excel template called the "Ultimate Financial Calculator" on vertex42.com that I customized for exactly this purpose. It's more work upfront to set up, but I've been using it for 3 years and it's way more accurate than any online calculator. The benefit is you can add ANY type of pre-tax deduction and see exactly how it flows through your taxes. I've modeled scenarios with 401k, HSA, dependent care FSA, transit benefits, and even some weird pre-tax legal insurance my company offers.

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Did you have to manually enter all the tax brackets and rates yourself? I've tried spreadsheets before but they become outdated as soon as tax laws change.

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I've been in a similar situation and found that most calculators fall short because they don't account for the complexity of how different pre-tax deductions interact with each other and various tax rules. One approach that worked well for me was using Personal Capital's retirement planner (now Empower) in combination with a simple spreadsheet. The retirement planner helps you see the long-term impact of different contribution levels, while the spreadsheet handles the immediate paycheck impact. For the spreadsheet part, I created columns for gross pay, each type of pre-tax deduction (401k, HSA, transit, etc.), then calculated federal tax, state tax, FICA, and final take-home. The key insight was realizing that HSA contributions save you the most per dollar because they're exempt from both income tax AND FICA taxes. Also worth noting - if your company offers both traditional and Roth 401k options, you might want to split contributions. Sometimes having some post-tax savings gives you more flexibility in retirement, especially if you expect to be in a similar or higher tax bracket later. Have you checked if your company's HR department has access to more sophisticated modeling tools? Some larger employers have partnerships with financial planning services that can do exactly this kind of optimization analysis for employees.

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Anyone know if the housing allowance amount gets reported anywhere on the W-2? My husband's church just verbally told him about the housing portion, but I don't see it broken out anywhere on his W-2, just a total in Box 1. Makes me wonder if they're handling it correctly.

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It depends on how the church handles it. Some churches reduce Box 1 wages by the housing allowance amount (so Box 1 only shows taxable wages after the housing allowance is removed). Others include the full amount in Box 1 and then you have to subtract the housing allowance yourself when filing. Importantly, the church should provide a separate letter or statement documenting the officially designated housing allowance amount. This documentation is crucial for your records in case of an audit. If you didn't receive this, request it immediately from the church board or treasurer.

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As a tax professional who specializes in clergy taxation, I want to emphasize a few critical points that could save you significant headaches: 1. **Documentation is everything** - Make sure your wife's church provided written documentation of the housing allowance designation BEFORE January 1st. The IRS requires this to be done prospectively, not retroactively. If they didn't do this properly, the housing allowance exclusion may not be valid. 2. **Housing allowance limits** - The excludable amount is limited to the LESSER of: (a) the amount officially designated, (b) actual housing expenses, or (c) fair rental value of the home. Many people miss the "actual expenses" requirement and end up owing taxes on the excess. 3. **State taxes vary** - While the housing allowance is excluded from federal income tax, some states (like California) don't recognize this exclusion and will tax it as regular income. 4. **Quarterly payments** - Since ministers pay self-employment tax and often have large housing allowances, you may need to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS expects you to pay as you go, not just at year-end. Get the church's withholding corrected ASAP and consider working with a tax professional who understands clergy taxation - it's complex enough that even experienced preparers often get it wrong.

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Oliver Cheng

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for breaking down all these details! I had no idea about the "actual housing expenses" limitation. We need to make sure we're tracking all our housing costs properly. One quick question: when you mention quarterly estimated payments, does that apply even in the first year when she only started receiving ministerial income partway through the year? She became ordained in July, so we're wondering if the underpayment penalty rules are different for partial-year situations. Also, do you happen to know if there are any good resources or worksheets specifically for calculating the housing allowance limits you mentioned? We want to make sure we're not accidentally excluding more than we're allowed to.

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S-corp retained earnings vs distributions - understanding the 50/50 partnership rules

I'm trying to wrap my head around S-corp retained earnings and distributions with a real scenario I'm facing. Let me break down our situation: Our business is an LLC filed as an S-corp with two equal partners (50/50 ownership split). This year we had some good growth with about $325k in revenue. After paying around $135k in business expenses and $65k in salary to each owner, we're looking at approximately $60k in business profit. According to our accountant, each of us will be taxed on our proportional share of profits on our K-1s, which means $30k each since we're equal owners. Here's where I'm confused - we want to keep about $25k in the business for future expansion. My business partner and I disagree on how much each of us should contribute to these retained earnings. I'd like to contribute more toward retained earnings and take less in actual distributions, while my partner wants to take more in distributions. Could we structure it like this: - Me (50% owner): K-1 Income of $30k, contribution to retained earnings of $20k, actual cash distribution of $10k - My partner (50% owner): K-1 Income of $30k, contribution to retained earnings of $5k, actual cash distribution of $25k Does the IRS care about where the retained earnings come from as long as our K-1s show the correct proportional income? Would this violate any S-corp rules about disproportionate distributions? I know S-corps don't technically have to distribute profits, but we're both taxed as if they were distributed. Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

The compensation structure suggestion is actually quite dangerous from a compliance perspective. The IRS has specific guidelines for S-corp reasonable compensation, and salary amounts should be based on the actual work performed and market rates for those roles, not manipulated to achieve desired cash flow outcomes. If both partners perform similar roles and have similar responsibilities, having significantly different salaries ($55k vs $75k) without legitimate business justification could be seen as tax avoidance. The IRS could reclassify the lower salary as inadequate compensation and treat some of that partner's distributions as wages subject to payroll taxes. A safer approach would be to maintain proportional distributions as required, then use properly documented shareholder loans or capital contributions after distributions are made. This keeps you compliant with S-corp rules while achieving your goal of keeping more money in the business. I'd strongly recommend getting this strategy reviewed by a tax professional who specializes in S-corps before implementing any compensation changes.

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Diego Flores

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This is exactly right - I learned this lesson the hard way when the IRS questioned our S-corp salary structure during an audit. They have detailed guidelines on what constitutes "reasonable compensation" and they absolutely will challenge salaries that seem artificially low compared to industry standards. The auditor explained that S-corp owners can't just set whatever salary they want to minimize payroll taxes. They look at factors like job responsibilities, hours worked, qualifications, and what similar businesses pay for comparable roles. Having dramatically different salaries for partners doing similar work without clear justification is a red flag. The shareholder loan approach mentioned earlier is much safer from a compliance standpoint. After taking your required proportional distributions, you can loan money back to the company with proper documentation. Just make sure to charge market-rate interest and have a realistic repayment schedule to avoid having it reclassified as a contribution.

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Leo Simmons

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I've been dealing with a similar situation in my S-corp and wanted to share what I learned from working with our tax attorney. The key insight is that S-corp distributions must be proportional to ownership, but there are legitimate ways to achieve your goal of keeping more money in the business while your partner takes more home. Here's what we ended up doing: Both partners take the required proportional distributions (in your case, that would be equal amounts since you're 50/50 owners). Then, after receiving your distribution, you can make a shareholder loan to the company for the amount you want to keep in the business. The critical part is proper documentation - you'll need a promissory note with market-rate interest, a realistic repayment schedule, and corporate resolutions authorizing the loan. This keeps everything above board and gives you legal recourse to get your money back. One thing to consider is that as a creditor (through the loan), you'd have different rights than if you made a capital contribution. If the business struggles, loan repayment typically has priority over distributions to shareholders. This might actually be preferable if you're concerned about protecting the money you're putting back into the business. Just make sure to work with a tax professional who understands S-corp rules - the documentation requirements are important for maintaining your S-corp status.

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LunarEclipse

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This is really helpful - thank you for sharing your experience with the shareholder loan approach. I'm curious about one detail you mentioned: how exactly do you determine what constitutes a "market-rate interest" for a loan to your own S-corp? Is there a specific rate the IRS expects, or do you just need to show it's reasonable compared to what a bank might charge for a similar business loan? I want to make sure I structure this correctly from the start to avoid any issues down the road. Also, did your tax attorney recommend any specific language for the promissory note to ensure it's clearly differentiated from a capital contribution? I'm worried about accidentally creating documentation that could be misinterpreted by the IRS.

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This sounds like a classic payroll system configuration issue that I've seen with several mid-sized companies. The fact that FICA and Medicare are being withheld correctly but federal income tax shows $0.00 suggests the problem is specifically with how your system is calculating federal withholding, not a complete failure of the tax withholding process. Given that you mention these are employees making $45-65k with standard W-4s, this is definitely not normal and they will face significant tax bills if not resolved soon. Here's what I'd recommend as immediate steps: 1. **Document the pattern**: Create a list of all affected employees with their hire dates, salary amounts, and when the zero withholding first appeared. Often these issues are tied to specific system updates or configuration changes. 2. **Request detailed calculations**: Ask your payroll provider to show you the exact step-by-step withholding calculation for 2-3 affected employees. They should be able to demonstrate how they arrive at $0.00 federal withholding. 3. **Have employees resubmit W-4s**: Even though the current forms look correct, having them fill out fresh W-4s can sometimes resolve data processing glitches. 4. **Escalate with your payroll provider**: Don't accept generic responses. Request to speak with a technical specialist who can review your system configuration, especially any recent updates or changes. Time is critical here since we're already well into 2025 - the longer this goes on, the bigger the catch-up withholding shock will be for these employees when it's finally corrected.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I especially appreciate the point about time being critical - I hadn't fully considered how much worse the catch-up withholding shock will be if we don't get this resolved soon. I'm definitely going to push harder with our payroll provider for those detailed calculations. Every time I've called so far, I feel like I'm getting shuffled to first-level support who just read from scripts. Do you have any tips for getting escalated to the technical specialists? Should I mention specific technical terms or reference particular tax codes when I call? Also, when you say "catch-up withholding shock," are you referring to having to suddenly withhold much larger amounts from future paychecks to make up for the missed withholding? I'm worried these employees are going to be really upset when their take-home pay suddenly drops significantly once we fix this.

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I've been following this thread and want to add a few technical points that might help. As someone who's dealt with similar payroll system issues, the zero federal withholding problem often stems from one of three specific technical issues: 1. **Tax table mapping errors**: Sometimes after system updates, the federal tax tables don't properly map to employee records, even though state taxes (and FICA/Medicare which use different tables) continue working normally. 2. **W-4 field parsing problems**: The 2020 W-4 redesign uses different data fields than the old allowance-based system. Some payroll systems have bugs where they misinterpret blank fields as "zero tax liability" rather than "standard withholding." 3. **Employee classification flags**: There might be a backend flag incorrectly marking these employees as exempt or non-resident, even though their visible W-4 data appears normal. For escalating with your payroll provider, ask specifically for "Tier 2 tax compliance support" and mention you need "federal withholding calculation diagnostics" rather than general troubleshooting. Use terms like "Publication 15-T calculations" and "percentage method verification" - this signals you need someone who understands the technical tax computation process. Also consider running a payroll register report for the affected employees and comparing the tax calculation details line-by-line with employees who have correct withholding. Sometimes the pattern becomes obvious when you see the raw calculation data side by side.

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This is incredibly helpful technical detail! I work in payroll administration and the three specific technical issues you outlined perfectly describe what we should be looking for. The tax table mapping error explanation makes so much sense - it would explain why FICA/Medicare continue working while federal withholding fails. I'm definitely going to use those exact phrases when I call our payroll provider tomorrow. "Tier 2 tax compliance support" and "Publication 15-T calculations" sound much more specific than my usual "something's wrong with withholding" approach. The payroll register comparison is a great idea too. I can easily pull reports for affected vs. unaffected employees and see if there are obvious differences in how the calculations are being processed. Do you know if most payroll systems show the intermediate calculation steps in these reports, or just the final withholding amounts? Also, regarding the employee classification flags you mentioned - is there a way to check these backend flags, or would that require our payroll provider to investigate on their end?

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