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I'm new to managing our small condo association's finances (22 units) and this thread has been incredibly helpful! We're facing the same confusion about 1120-H payment methods. Based on all the experiences shared here, it seems like the consensus is pretty clear: while small associations might technically have some flexibility, setting up EFTPS is the safest and most practical approach. The stories about payment crediting issues with checks and the inconsistent penalty enforcement are concerning enough to make the electronic route worth it. I particularly appreciate the distinction several people made between "federal tax deposits" and annual tax payments - that really helped clarify why the IRS instructions seemed contradictory. For associations like ours that only owe taxes once a year on reserve interest (usually around $120), it sounds like we're in that gray area where enforcement varies. I'm going to start the EFTPS registration process this week. Better to spend a little time setting it up now than dealing with potential problems later. The 7-10 day PIN delivery timeline means I should have everything ready well before our next filing deadline. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - this kind of practical guidance from other association treasurers is so much more valuable than trying to interpret the IRS instructions on our own!

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Welcome to the community, Abigail! As someone who's also relatively new to managing association finances, I completely understand the confusion around these payment requirements. Your decision to set up EFTPS proactively is really smart. I've been following this discussion closely since I'm in a similar situation with our 26-unit association, and it's clear that even though the rules might technically allow flexibility for small associations, the electronic payment route eliminates so many potential headaches. One thing I'd suggest is making sure to document the EFTPS setup process and login credentials somewhere that future board members can access. From what I've seen in other associations, treasurer turnover is pretty common, and having that information organized will make transitions much smoother. The practical experiences shared here have been so much more helpful than trying to decipher the official IRS guidance on our own. It's reassuring to know there are other small association treasurers navigating these same challenges!

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I've used EFTPS in the past to pay our HOA tax this year EFTPS does not recognize form 1120-H. Has anyone else encountered this issue? Maybe I should delete our current account and start over? I am using Microsoft Edge - should I try a different browser?

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Jason Brewer

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This error usually happens when there's a data entry mistake. Double-check that you're entering the numbers from your actual W-2 form (not a paystub or other document). Box 18 should show your state wages and Box 19 should show state taxes withheld. If Box 18 is truly blank on your W-2 but Box 19 has an amount, that would be unusual - contact your employer to get a corrected W-2. Most likely though, you either missed the Box 18 amount or entered it in the wrong field. Try re-entering both numbers carefully and the error should clear up.

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Lauren Wood

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This is exactly right! I had a similar issue last year where I was accidentally looking at my final paystub instead of the actual W-2 form. The box numbers are different and it caused so much confusion. Once I found my actual W-2, both Box 18 and 19 had the correct amounts and TurboTax accepted them without any issues. Definitely worth double-checking you have the right document before spending hours troubleshooting!

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Aria Khan

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I work at a tax prep office and see this error constantly during tax season! The issue is almost always that people are looking at the wrong document or entering numbers incorrectly. Box 18 (state wages) should never be blank if Box 19 (state tax withheld) has an amount - you can't withhold taxes on zero wages. Here's my troubleshooting checklist: 1) Confirm you're looking at your actual W-2 form, not a paystub or year-end summary 2) Check if you have multiple W-2s and make sure you're entering each one completely 3) Look for any corrected/amended W-2s your employer might have sent 4) Double-check you didn't accidentally enter the numbers in the wrong boxes. This error resolves 99% of the time once you find the correct Box 18 amount on your W-2!

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Amina Diallo

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! As someone who's never done taxes before, I had no idea there was such a difference between W-2s and paystubs. Your checklist is perfect - I'm definitely going to save this for when I file my taxes. Quick question: if someone accidentally threw away their W-2 and only has their final paystub, can they request a new W-2 from their employer? And is there usually a deadline for when employers have to provide them?

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Using straight line depreciation for a business vehicle then converting to personal use - tax implications?

I'm thinking about buying a used BMW M5 for about $82,000 and using it 100% for business purposes initially, then eventually converting it to personal use. I was planning to use straight line depreciation over 5 years. If I bought it on January 1st, that would mean approximately $16,400 in depreciation each year. I have a few questions about the tax implications: 1. What happens if I convert the car to personal use after 2 years of business use? Is there any depreciation recapture triggered at that point? I thought depreciation recapture only applies with Section 179 depreciation. If I then drive it personally for another 5 years and sell it for $13,500, is that when depreciation gets recaptured? 2. If I use the BMW strictly for business for the full 5 years (fully depreciated) and then convert to personal use, what happens if I later sell it for $27,000? Would I pay tax on the entire $27,000? What if I sold it to my sister for $6,800 - would I only pay tax on that amount or does the IRS use fair market value regardless? 3. If the car was fully depreciated and then got totaled in an accident, and insurance paid me $27,000, would that amount be taxable too? I want to understand all the nuances to make sure I'm being both strategic and compliant with tax regulations. Can anyone point me to specific IRS rules about whether fair market value is used even when selling for less than FMV? Thanks for any help you can provide!

Keisha Brown

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I'm just curious - has anyone tried using something other than straight-line depreciation for vehicles? Maybe accelerated depreciation methods or even Section 179? I know Section 179 has those luxury auto limits, but wondering if there's any advantage to front-loading the depreciation if you know you'll convert to personal use later?

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I tried Section 179 for a business vehicle a few years ago, and it bit me hard when I converted it to personal use early. Had to recapture a ton of depreciation in a single year, which pushed me into a higher tax bracket. If you're pretty sure you'll convert to personal use within a few years, straight-line is usually safer from a tax planning perspective. Accelerated methods front-load your deductions but increase your recapture exposure.

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Great question about BMW M5 depreciation! One thing to consider that hasn't been fully addressed is the luxury auto depreciation limits under IRC Section 280F. For 2024, the first-year limit is $12,200 (or $20,200 with bonus depreciation), then $19,500, $11,700, and $6,960 for subsequent years. Since you're looking at an $82,000 BMW, these limits will significantly impact your depreciation schedule regardless of whether you use straight-line or accelerated methods. You won't actually be able to take $16,400 per year - you'll be limited to much lower amounts. This actually works in your favor for conversion planning! The luxury limits reduce your depreciation recapture exposure when you eventually convert to personal use. Just make sure to track your business use percentage carefully with a mileage log - the IRS is particularly strict about vehicle documentation. Also, consider the timing of your conversion. If you convert mid-year, you'll need to prorate the depreciation and carefully document the exact conversion date and vehicle condition. The Section 280F limits make the math more complex but generally reduce your overall tax risk.

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Ethan Moore

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This is incredibly helpful information about the luxury auto limits! I had no idea Section 280F would cap my depreciation so significantly. So if I understand correctly, even though the car costs $82,000, I'd only be able to depreciate about $12,200 the first year instead of the $16,400 I calculated using straight-line over 5 years? Does this mean it would actually take much longer than 5 years to fully depreciate the vehicle for business purposes? And would these same limits apply if I had chosen Section 179 or bonus depreciation instead of straight-line? I'm also wondering - when you mention tracking business use percentage with a mileage log, does that mean I need to maintain detailed records even if I'm using the vehicle 100% for business initially? What specific documentation does the IRS typically look for during audits?

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Great point about the mileage implications! I'm actually dealing with this exact scenario and want to make sure I understand correctly. If my home office qualifies as my principal place of business, can I deduct mileage for trips like: 1) Home → Client A → Client B → Home (multiple clients in one day) 2) Home → Office supply store → Client → Home 3) Client A → Client B (driving between clients without going home first) I'm tracking everything in a mileage app but want to make sure I'm not missing any deductible trips or accidentally claiming something I shouldn't. The difference between "commuting" and "business travel" seems to hinge entirely on whether my home office truly qualifies as my principal place of business. Also, does anyone know if there are specific IRS guidelines on how to document this properly? I want to make sure my records would hold up if questioned.

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Yes, if your home office qualifies as your principal place of business, all three scenarios you mentioned would be deductible business mileage! Here's the breakdown: 1) Home → Client A → Client B → Home - Fully deductible as business travel from your principal place of business 2) Home → Office supply store → Client → Home - Fully deductible (business errands count too) 3) Client A → Client B - Deductible as travel between business locations For documentation, the IRS wants contemporaneous records showing: date, odometer readings (start/end), business purpose, and destinations. Most mileage apps handle this automatically, but also keep a backup log. Photos of your odometer at year-end can help validate total annual mileage. The key test is that "administrative or management activities" test - if you're doing your scheduling, invoicing, and business planning at home, you're likely good. Keep records showing what business activities happen at your home office versus client sites. A simple calendar noting "admin work at home office" vs "client meeting" can be powerful documentation if ever questioned.

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Zara Shah

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One thing that helped me clarify this situation was understanding that the IRS uses a "facts and circumstances" test when you have multiple work locations. The key question isn't just about time spent, but about the nature and importance of the activities performed at each location. Since you're doing administrative work, calls, and presentations at your home office, this sounds like it meets the "administrative or management activities" test that others have mentioned. The fact that you spend more total hours at client sites doesn't disqualify your home office - those are considered temporary work locations since you're not doing substantial administrative work there. I'd recommend keeping a detailed log for at least a few months showing: - Time spent at home office and what activities you did - Time at each client location and nature of work performed - Any administrative tasks that could only be done at your home office This documentation will be invaluable both for determining if you qualify and for supporting your deduction if ever questioned. The "principal place of business" determination can save you thousands not just in home office deductions, but also in mileage deductions for all those client visits!

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This is really helpful! I'm new to the consulting world and had no idea about the "facts and circumstances" test. I've been stressing about whether I qualify since I'm out at client sites about 70% of the time, but reading through this thread makes me think my home office might actually qualify. I do all my invoicing, contract reviews, and proposal writing from home, plus I store all my business files there. The client sites are really just where I deliver the work I've prepared at home. Quick question - when you mention keeping a detailed log, does it need to be daily entries or would weekly summaries work? I'm trying to figure out the minimum documentation needed without going overboard on record keeping. Also, has anyone here actually been audited specifically on the home office deduction? I'd love to hear what that process was like and what documentation the IRS actually requested.

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This is a great learning thread! I just want to add one more thing that might be helpful for anyone else dealing with HSA discrepancies - if you switched health insurance plans during the year or had a qualifying life event that changed your HSA eligibility, that can also affect how contributions are reported. For example, if you started the year with individual coverage but got married and switched to family coverage mid-year, your contribution limits would have changed partway through. The HSA provider might show different amounts than what was deducted from payroll if there were adjustments made. Also, some employers have a "true-up" process at year-end where they adjust HSA contributions if you didn't contribute the full amount through payroll. This could explain additional contributions showing up on your 5498-SA that aren't reflected in your W-2 Box 12. Always worth double-checking with your HR department if the numbers still don't make sense after reviewing your contribution history!

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This is such valuable information! I hadn't considered the life event angle. I actually did get married in July 2024 and switched from individual to family HSA coverage mid-year. That could definitely explain some of the complexity with my contribution amounts. Do you know if there are any special rules about pro-rating HSA contributions when you switch coverage types mid-year? I'm wondering if that $250 difference might be related to the coverage change rather than a direct contribution I forgot about. I should probably check with my HR department to see if they did any year-end adjustments when I switched plans. Thanks for bringing up this angle - it's giving me a whole new direction to investigate!

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Great question about the HSA discrepancy! This is actually super common and usually has a simple explanation. The $250 difference between your W-2 Box 12 code W ($4,850) and your 5498-SA ($5,100) is almost certainly due to a direct contribution you made to your HSA outside of payroll. Your W-2 only shows contributions made through payroll deduction (your $4,200 plus employer's $650), but the 5498-SA captures ALL contributions made to your HSA during the tax year, including any direct deposits you made. Check your bank statements or HSA provider's portal for any direct contributions you might have made - even small ones are easy to forget! You can also make contributions up until the tax filing deadline that count toward the previous year, so if you made a $250 contribution in early 2025 designated for 2024, that would explain it. When filing, you'll use Form 8889 and report all contributions. If that $250 was your direct contribution, you'll get to deduct it on your return. Just make sure your total doesn't exceed the annual limits ($4,150 individual, $8,300 family for 2024).

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This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I needed! I'm dealing with a similar HSA situation and was getting overwhelmed by all the different forms and numbers. Your breakdown of W-2 vs 5498-SA reporting makes perfect sense. I just checked my HSA account online and found a $300 direct contribution I made in February that I completely forgot about - mystery solved! It's reassuring to know this is common and not something I messed up on. One quick follow-up question: when I fill out Form 8889, do I need to specify which contributions were payroll vs direct, or do I just report the total amounts in the appropriate sections?

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