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Leila Haddad

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Great question! I went through this exact situation last year and learned the hard way that the withholding is just a prepayment, not the final amount you'll owe. Here's what happened to me: I withdrew $15,000 from my Traditional IRA and had 20% withheld ($3,000). When I filed my taxes, I ended up owing an additional $2,200 because: - The withdrawal pushed me into a higher tax bracket, so my actual tax rate on that income was 24% instead of the 20% I had withheld - I owed the full 10% early withdrawal penalty ($1,500) since I didn't qualify for any exceptions - Total taxes owed: $5,100, but I'd only prepaid $3,000 My advice: Calculate your estimated tax bracket for the year INCLUDING the IRA withdrawal, then have at least that percentage withheld for income taxes. Remember the 10% penalty is completely separate and won't be covered by withholding, so set aside that money too. It's better to overwithhold and get a refund than to owe a big chunk at tax time!

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This is exactly the kind of real-world example I needed to see! Your situation really highlights how the withholding can fall short. I'm planning to withdraw $20,000 and was thinking 15% withholding would be enough, but now I'm realizing I need to factor in how this will affect my overall tax bracket for the year. Did you end up having to pay any underpayment penalties on top of everything else, or was the $3,000 you had withheld enough to avoid that?

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I was fortunate and didn't get hit with underpayment penalties because my total withholding for the year (including from my regular job) was still more than 90% of what I owed. The IRS safe harbor rules saved me there - as long as you pay at least 90% of the current year's tax or 100% of last year's tax through withholding and estimated payments, you avoid the underpayment penalty. But you're absolutely right to be concerned about the tax bracket issue! With a $20,000 withdrawal, definitely run the numbers on what your total taxable income will be for the year. That withdrawal could easily push you into the next bracket. I'd honestly recommend having 22-24% withheld if you can afford the cash flow hit, especially since you can't withhold anything for that 10% penalty. Better to get a refund than owe a surprise $4,000+ in April!

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Something to also keep in mind is the timing of your withdrawal and how it affects quarterly estimated tax payments. If you're taking a large early distribution and you're self-employed or have other income that isn't subject to withholding, you might need to make estimated quarterly payments to avoid underpayment penalties. I learned this the hard way when I took an early distribution in Q3 last year. Even though I had taxes withheld from the IRA distribution, the IRS expects you to pay taxes evenly throughout the year. Since my withdrawal was large enough to significantly increase my tax liability for the year, I should have made an estimated payment for Q4 to cover the difference. The safe harbor rule mentioned earlier saved me from penalties, but it's something to consider if your withdrawal is substantial relative to your annual income. You might want to calculate whether you need to make an estimated payment for the current quarter to stay on the safe side. The IRS Form 1040ES has worksheets that can help you figure this out.

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Just wanted to add that if you're worried about your bank asking questions, you can proactively contact them before making the deposit. I sold my boat last year for $32k and got a cashier's check. Called my bank beforehand, explained the situation, and they noted my account. Made the deposit super smooth and they even waived the normal hold period since I gave them a heads up.

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Pedro Sawyer

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This is great advice! Did you have to provide any documentation to the bank when you called ahead? Or just verbally explain the situation?

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NebulaKnight

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is keeping records of the equipment's depreciated value from your company's books if possible. When businesses sell off old equipment, they often have it listed at a depreciated book value that's much lower than what you might actually sell it for. If your company can provide documentation showing the equipment's book value when you purchased it, that helps establish a clear paper trail for the transaction. Also, since you mentioned the buyer is a local computer refurb company, they'll likely have their own documentation requirements for purchasing inventory. Make sure you get a proper invoice or purchase agreement from them that clearly states what equipment is being sold. This creates a clean business-to-business transaction record that banks and the IRS can easily understand if questions ever come up. The certified check approach is definitely the way to go - it's much cleaner than splitting payments, which could actually create more paperwork and potential confusion rather than less.

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Great point about getting the depreciated book value documentation! I'm actually dealing with something similar right now where my company is selling off old IT equipment. One question - if the company's book value shows the equipment as fully depreciated (worth $0 on their books), does that affect how I should calculate my basis for tax purposes? Or do I still use what I actually paid them for it as my basis? Also, regarding the business-to-business documentation, should I be treating this as a business transaction on my end too, or can I handle it as a personal sale since I'm not regularly in the business of buying and reselling equipment?

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Has anyone used a PEO (Professional Employer Organization) to help determine reasonable compensation? My business is hitting around $600k/yr and I've heard PEOs can provide market data to support your salary decisions plus handle all the payroll compliance stuff.

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Ethan Clark

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I used Justworks for my S Corp when we hit about $750k revenue. They provided excellent compensation benchmarking data that helped justify my salary decisions. The added benefit was that their documentation carried weight with my tax preparer and potentially with the IRS since it came from a neutral third party.

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Thanks for sharing your experience! Did you find that their benchmarking data recommended a higher or lower salary than what you initially thought was reasonable? I'm trying to gauge if they typically push for higher compensation (which might mean more payroll taxes) or if they provide balanced guidance.

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Nia Harris

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This is such a timely question! I'm in a very similar situation - just converted to S Corp this year with around $680k revenue from my marketing consulting practice. After reading through all these responses and doing my own research, I ended up settling on about 45% of profits as my salary ($290k on roughly $650k profit). What really helped me was creating a detailed job analysis document that my CPA recommended. I listed out every single responsibility I have - from client acquisition and strategy development to project management and delivery. Then I researched what companies would pay for a VP of Marketing or Marketing Director with my experience level in my metro area. The documentation piece everyone mentioned is crucial. I keep quarterly reviews of my compensation decision with updated market data. One thing I learned is that the IRS doesn't have a magic percentage they're looking for - they want to see that you made a good faith effort to pay yourself what you'd pay an outsider to do your job. For anyone still figuring this out, I'd recommend starting with industry salary surveys from places like PayScale, Glassdoor, and Robert Half. Document everything and review it annually as your business grows. Better to err on the side of slightly higher compensation than risk an audit fight later!

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I'm confused about something - if the employer took the money pre-tax but then only reported half of it as Cafe 125, wouldn't that mean her W-2 wages are wrong? Like they reduced her pay by the full amount but only gave her tax benefit for half?

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AstroAce

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You're absolutely right to be confused because this is a messy situation. Here's what might be happening: If they took double the proper amount pre-tax and only reported half as Cafe 125, then her W-2 taxable wages would indeed be incorrect. Essentially, she'd be getting taxed on money she never received. This is why it's critical her employer fixes both issues - they need to refund the excess AND ensure her W-2 correctly reflects her actual taxable income.

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Okay that makes sense. So I guess the original poster needs to focus on getting both problems fixed separately - the refund of the extra money AND making sure the W-2 shows the right taxable income. Thanks for explaining it so clearly!

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Lucas Turner

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This is a frustrating situation that unfortunately happens more often than it should. Based on what you've described, there are really two separate issues here that need to be addressed: 1. **The W-2 reporting**: If your sister-in-law's paystubs show the full double amount was deducted pre-tax, but her W-2 only shows half in the Cafe 125 box, then her taxable wages are likely incorrect. She's essentially being taxed on money she never actually received. 2. **The refund**: The employer owes her a refund for the excess premiums they incorrectly withheld. Since it's already February and they've been unresponsive since October, I'd suggest a multi-pronged approach: - Document everything: Keep copies of all paystubs, communications with HR, and the current W-2 - File her taxes based on the W-2 she received (the IRS matches returns to W-2s) - Continue pursuing the employer for both the refund AND a corrected W-2 if needed - Consider escalating within the company (beyond HR to senior management) - If they remain unresponsive, file a wage complaint with your state's Department of Labor The key thing to remember is that this isn't really a tax deduction issue - it's an employer payroll error that needs correction at the source.

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Zara Perez

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This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar payroll deduction issue at my company and your point about documenting everything is spot on. One question though - when you mention filing a wage complaint with the state Department of Labor, does that typically get results faster than continuing to work through the employer's internal processes? I'm worried about burning bridges but also need this resolved before next tax season.

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TechNinja

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I'm confused about something - do I need to set up a separate user account on my laptop for business vs personal use to prove the percentage? Or is that overkill?

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You don't need separate user accounts, but it's not a bad idea either. What really matters is having some reasonable method of tracking. I just use a simple Google spreadsheet where I log hours by category each day. Takes 30 seconds and has been sufficient documentation for my last two tax returns.

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TechNinja

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Thanks for the tip! A spreadsheet sounds way more manageable than what I was thinking. I tend to overthink these things and was picturing some complex system I'd never keep up with.

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Caden Nguyen

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also keep receipts and documentation for the actual purchase of your laptop and monitor. The IRS will want to see proof of the cost basis for your deduction calculations. Also, since you're transitioning from using a work laptop to purchasing your own, make sure you can clearly show when you started using your personal equipment for business purposes. This becomes important for the depreciation timeline if you go that route instead of Section 179. I'd recommend taking photos of your setup and keeping a simple log of when you first started using it for your 1099 work. Having that paper trail makes everything much smoother if you ever get audited.

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Anita George

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Great point about the documentation! I'm just getting started with tax planning for my side business and hadn't thought about the timing aspect. When you say "when you first started using it for business purposes" - does that mean the deduction clock starts ticking from the first day I use it for work, even if I bought it a few weeks earlier for personal use? Or should I wait to purchase until I'm actually ready to start the business activities?

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