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I went through this exact situation with my consulting LLC last year. The short answer is no - multi-member LLCs cannot be treated as disregarded entities under any circumstances. The IRS is very clear that disregarded entity status is only available for single-member LLCs. Your default classification is partnership taxation (Form 1065), but you're absolutely right to explore other options. At your income level, an S-Corp election could save you significant money on self-employment taxes. Here's what I learned: 1. With partnership taxation, both members pay self-employment tax on their entire share of profits 2. With S-Corp election, you only pay employment taxes on reasonable salaries, not on distributions For a $125k business, if you each took $40k salaries and split the remaining $45k as distributions, you'd save about $3,400 in SE taxes annually (15.3% Ɨ $45k). The tradeoff is quarterly payroll filings and more complex bookkeeping. I'd strongly recommend running the numbers with a CPA before deciding. The breakeven point where S-Corp election makes sense is usually around $60-80k in profits, so you're definitely in the range where it could be beneficial.

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Jamal Harris

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This is really helpful, especially the specific numbers breakdown! I'm curious though - when you say "reasonable salaries," how do you determine what's actually reasonable? Is there a specific formula or percentage the IRS expects, or is it more subjective? Also, did you find that the quarterly payroll filings were manageable to do yourself, or did you need to hire a payroll service? I'm trying to weigh the compliance burden against the potential tax savings.

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Liam McGuire

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Great question about reasonable salaries! The IRS doesn't provide a specific formula, but they generally expect salaries to be comparable to what you'd pay an employee doing similar work in your geographic area. I used salary data from sites like Glassdoor and PayScale for marketing professionals in my area. As a rule of thumb, many tax professionals suggest 60-70% of net profits as salary, but it really depends on your role and local market rates. The key is being able to defend your decision if audited. For payroll, I initially tried doing it myself using QuickBooks Payroll, which costs about $45/month for two employees. It's definitely manageable - you just need to run payroll each pay period and file quarterly forms (941 and state equivalents). The software handles most of the calculations and filings automatically. If you're not comfortable with it, payroll services like Gusto or ADP run about $80-120/month but handle everything for you. Given your projected savings, either option would still leave you significantly ahead financially.

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Based on everyone's helpful responses here, I wanted to share what we ended up deciding for our multi-member LLC situation. After running the numbers and consulting with our CPA, we're moving forward with the S-Corp election since we're projected to hit $125k this year. The key factors that convinced us were: 1) The potential SE tax savings of around $3,500-4,000 annually at our income level, 2) The fact that we can keep our LLC structure and just change the tax classification, and 3) Our CPA confirmed that reasonable salaries for marketing professionals in our area would be around $45k each, leaving $35k in distributions that wouldn't be subject to SE taxes. We're planning to use QuickBooks Payroll to handle the compliance side since it's much cheaper than hiring a payroll service at our size. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it really helped us make an informed decision! Will report back in a year with how it actually worked out in practice.

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That sounds like a solid decision! I'm in a similar situation with my business partner - we're running a small consulting firm and have been debating between staying with partnership taxation or making the S-Corp election. Your breakdown of $45k salaries with the remaining as distributions is really helpful as a reference point. One question: did your CPA mention anything about the timing of when to file Form 2553 for the S-Corp election? I've heard there are specific deadlines you need to meet for it to be effective for the current tax year, and I want to make sure we don't miss any important cutoff dates if we decide to go this route. Also, would love to hear how the QuickBooks Payroll experience goes - we've been hesitant about managing payroll ourselves but the cost savings compared to a full service make it tempting.

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Dylan Evans

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I've been following this thread with great interest since I'm in a somewhat similar situation. One aspect that might be worth exploring is whether your employer offers any flexibility in how the lump sum is categorized or structured. For instance, some companies can separate out different components like accumulated vacation time, severance pay, and early retirement incentives, which might have different tax implications. Even if the total amount is the same, having clarity on how each piece is reported could help with your tax planning. Also, since you mentioned you're weighing early retirement vs severance, consider the long-term implications beyond just this year's taxes. Early retirement might give you more control over your income timing in future years - you could potentially do Roth conversions at lower tax rates, harvest capital losses, or implement other strategies when you're not earning a regular salary. The advice about maxing out your 401(k) and HSA contributions is spot-on. Given that you have significant contribution room left and this windfall to cover expenses, this really is an ideal situation to shelter a large portion of that income from taxes. Even if you can't avoid all the tax impact, every dollar you can shift to pre-tax savings is money in your pocket. Have you considered consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in retirement transitions? They might help you see the bigger picture beyond just minimizing this year's tax bill.

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TechNinja

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This is really comprehensive advice! The point about getting clarity on how different components of the lump sum are categorized is crucial - I hadn't thought about how accumulated vacation time versus actual severance pay might be treated differently for tax purposes. Your suggestion about consulting with a fee-only financial planner who specializes in retirement transitions is excellent. Given all the complexity that's come up in this thread - NIIT thresholds, Social Security implications, retirement contribution strategies, and the long-term planning aspects - it seems like this situation warrants professional guidance beyond just basic tax prep. I'm particularly intrigued by your point about having more control over income timing in future years if I go the early retirement route. Being able to do strategic Roth conversions or tax-loss harvesting when I'm not earning a regular salary could potentially save significant money over the long term, even if it doesn't help with this year's immediate tax hit. Thanks for the broader perspective - it's easy to get focused on just minimizing this year's taxes and lose sight of the bigger financial planning picture. This decision could really set the stage for my entire retirement strategy.

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Molly Hansen

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Based on all the excellent advice in this thread, I wanted to add one more consideration that could be significant for your situation. Since you're deciding between early retirement and severance, and given the substantial tax optimization opportunities discussed here, you might want to ask your employer about the possibility of structuring part of the payment as a contribution to a non-qualified deferred compensation plan if they offer one. Some companies, especially during restructuring, have flexibility to offer departing employees the option to defer a portion of their lump sum payment to future years when you might be in lower tax brackets. This isn't the same as a 401(k) contribution, but it can achieve similar tax deferral benefits. Also, given that you're in your mid-50s and this is a substantial windfall, consider whether this changes your overall retirement timeline and tax strategy. If this payment allows you to retire earlier than planned, you might benefit from doing a detailed analysis of optimal withdrawal strategies from different account types (traditional vs. Roth IRA, taxable accounts, etc.) in your early retirement years. The combination of maxing your 401(k) ($23,000 remaining room), HSA contributions, potential charitable giving bunching, and strategic timing could significantly reduce your tax burden. But as others have noted, the long-term planning implications might be even more valuable than the immediate tax savings. A comprehensive approach that considers both this year's optimization and your overall retirement strategy would be ideal.

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This is such a valuable perspective on the deferred compensation option! I hadn't even thought to ask my employer about that possibility, but it makes perfect sense during a restructuring when they might have more flexibility with how they structure departing employee packages. The point about reassessing my overall retirement timeline is really hitting home. This lump sum could potentially accelerate my retirement plans by several years, which would completely change the optimal tax strategy for withdrawals from different account types. If I'm looking at early retirement in my late 50s instead of traditional retirement age, I'll need to think carefully about the sequence of withdrawals to minimize taxes and avoid early withdrawal penalties. It sounds like the consensus from everyone here is that while maximizing my 401(k) and HSA contributions this year is a no-brainer for immediate tax savings, the bigger opportunity might be in how this payment reshapes my entire retirement strategy. The tax planning for this year is just the first step in a much larger financial planning conversation. I'm definitely going to ask HR about deferred compensation options and start looking for a fee-only financial planner who specializes in early retirement scenarios. This thread has been incredibly helpful in showing me both the immediate tactics and the strategic considerations I need to think through. Thanks to everyone for such thoughtful advice!

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I've been reading through this entire thread and it's been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with the exact same situation - got an EIN for a business partnership that fell through before we ever did anything with it. No bank accounts, no state registration, literally nothing except that EIN sitting in some IRS database. What I appreciate most about this discussion is how everyone who's actually been through this situation has shared their real experiences rather than just guessing. The consensus seems pretty clear: no activity means no filing requirement, but several of you have made a compelling case for filing a zero return anyway just for peace of mind and documentation. I think I'm going to follow the lead of @Danielle Mays, @Tyler Lefleur, and others who went the "better safe than sorry" route. Even though it's not technically required, spending a little time on a zero return seems like such a small price to pay to eliminate any future uncertainty. Plus having that official record with the IRS that they've accepted showing zero activity gives me way more confidence than just hoping I interpreted the rules correctly. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread should definitely help anyone else who finds themselves with an unused EIN!

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QuantumLeap

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@Dmitry Sokolov I m'so glad this thread has been helpful for you too! It s'really reassuring to see how many people have been in this exact same situation. I was feeling pretty alone with this problem until I found this discussion. What really convinced me to go with the zero return approach was reading about how @Danielle Mays got that official acknowledgment from the IRS that they processed it normally. Having that kind of documentation in your records just seems so much more solid than crossing your fingers and hoping you understood the rules correctly. I m'actually planning to file my zero return this week after putting it off for months. It s'funny how something that probably takes less than an hour to complete can cause so much stress when you re'not sure if it s'the right move. But after seeing multiple people here confirm it worked well for them, I m'confident it s'the smart approach. Thanks for adding your perspective to this thread - it s'helpful to know others are making the same decision based on all the shared experiences here!

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Lindsey Fry

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This thread has been such a lifesaver! I got an EIN about 8 months ago for a freelance design business I was planning to start, but then I landed a full-time job that I love and never pursued the business idea. I've been carrying this low-level anxiety about that unused EIN ever since. Reading through everyone's real experiences here is so much more helpful than the generic advice you find elsewhere online. The fact that multiple people have confirmed with actual IRS agents that unused EINs don't create filing obligations when there's zero activity is really reassuring. I'm definitely going to follow the approach that @Danielle Mays, @Tyler Lefleur, @Dmitry Sokolov and others have taken - filing a zero return even though it's not technically required. The peace of mind argument is so compelling, and hearing that the IRS processed these returns normally without any questions makes me feel confident it's the right move. Thanks everyone for sharing your actual experiences rather than just speculation. This community is incredibly helpful for navigating these confusing situations!

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@Lindsey Fry I m'so glad you found this thread helpful! Your situation sounds almost identical to mine - I got an EIN for a side business I was excited about, but then my circumstances changed and I never followed through with it. What really stands out to me from reading everyone s'experiences is how common this situation actually is. It makes me feel so much better knowing I m'not the only one who got ahead of themselves with business planning! I just filed my zero return last week following the advice from this thread, and it was honestly much simpler than I expected. The whole process took maybe 45 minutes, and now I have that official documentation with the IRS showing zero activity. It s'such a relief to finally have closure on this instead of having it nagging at the back of my mind. The community here really delivered with practical, real-world advice rather than just theoretical responses. It s'exactly what someone needs when dealing with these kinds of administrative uncertainties!

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NebulaNinja

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The real issue here that nobody has mentioned is properly documenting your time! If you get audited and claim REPS, the IRS will want to see detailed logs of how you spent those 750+ hours. I learned this the hard way. Keep a detailed diary or use a time-tracking app specifically for your real estate activities. Document date, time spent, and exactly what you did. This includes time spent as a realtor if you're claiming those hours toward your REPS qualification.

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Javier Gomez

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What kind of documentation worked for you? I've been using a Google spreadsheet but wondering if that's enough if I get audited.

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A Google spreadsheet can work, but make sure it's detailed enough. I'd recommend including columns for date, start/end times, specific property address (if applicable), type of activity (showing properties, managing rentals, administrative work, etc.), and detailed description of what you did. For your realtor activities, track time spent on listings, showings, client meetings, market research, continuing education, etc. For rental management, log property visits, tenant communications, maintenance coordination, financial review time, etc. The key is being specific - instead of "worked on rentals 3 hours," write something like "reviewed monthly financials for Oak St property, coordinated HVAC repair with contractor, responded to tenant maintenance requests." This level of detail shows the IRS you're serious about tracking and weren't just making up numbers after the fact.

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Based on what you've described, you likely DO qualify for REPS, but your accountant is right that it's more complicated than it initially appears. Your realtor hours absolutely count toward the 750+ hour requirement - that's established case law. The IRS considers all real estate activities together for this test. So between your full-time realtor work and managing those 2 local properties, you should easily meet the hour threshold. However, the material participation requirement is evaluated separately for each property or group of properties. This is where the grouping election mentioned by others becomes crucial. You can elect to treat all your rental properties as a single activity on Form 8582. Once grouped, you only need to materially participate in the group as a whole, not each individual property. Even with property managers, you likely spend time on oversight activities - reviewing financial reports, approving major repairs, making strategic decisions about rent increases or tenant screening, etc. All of this counts toward material participation hours if properly documented. I'd suggest getting a second opinion from a CPA who specializes in real estate taxation. Many general accountants aren't familiar with the nuances of REPS and grouping elections. The tax savings potential here is significant enough to warrant consulting with a specialist.

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Rudy Cenizo

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to understanding REPS but have been considering it for my own situation. One question - when you make the grouping election on Form 8582, is this something you can do retroactively for previous tax years, or does it only apply going forward? I'm wondering if there's a way to amend returns if you didn't make the election initially but should have. Also, how do you find CPAs who specialize in real estate taxation? Is there a specific credential or designation to look for? My current accountant seems to be more of a generalist and I'm starting to think I need someone with deeper real estate expertise.

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Paige Cantoni

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation with my 22-year-old son who's in his senior year of college. He's taking 12 credits (full-time at his school), I pay his tuition and rent, and he works about 15 hours a week making around $8,000 annually. One thing I wanted to add that I learned from my tax preparer last year - make sure you understand how the American Opportunity Tax Credit interacts with claiming your child as a dependent. You can only claim the education credit if you're also claiming them as a dependent. So even if the dependency exemption itself doesn't save you much in taxes, the education credits (up to $2,500 per student) can be substantial. Also, for those tracking support expenses, don't forget to include the fair market value of housing if your child lives at home with you. The IRS has guidelines for calculating this - it's usually based on what it would cost to rent a similar room in your area. This can significantly boost your support calculation if your child is living at home rent-free. Has anyone had experience with how this works when your child graduates mid-year? My son graduates in May, so I'm wondering if that affects his student status for the full tax year or just the months he was enrolled.

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Great point about the education credits! That's definitely something people overlook when deciding whether to claim a dependent. Regarding your son graduating mid-year, the good news is that student status is determined by whether they were enrolled full-time for at least 5 months during the tax year, not whether they were enrolled for the entire year. Since your son will be enrolled from January through May (5 months), he should still qualify as a full-time student for the entire 2025 tax year. The fair market value housing tip is really smart too. I hadn't thought about calculating that for kids living at home. Do you happen to know if there's a specific IRS publication that explains how to calculate fair market rental value? That could really help boost the support percentage for parents whose kids moved back home after college. Also, just want to confirm - once he graduates in May and potentially starts working full-time, that won't affect his dependent status for 2025 since the tests are based on the situation during the tax year when he was still a qualifying student, right?

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Maya Patel

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This has been such an informative discussion! As a tax professional, I wanted to add a few clarifications that might help others in similar situations. First, regarding the "5 months full-time student" rule - it's important to note that this refers to any 5 months during the tax year, and they don't have to be consecutive. So even if your child takes a semester off but was full-time for fall and spring semesters, they likely still meet this test. Second, I see some confusion about income limits. For qualifying children (under 24 and full-time students), there is NO income limit that disqualifies them from being your dependent. The $5,000 limit only applies to qualifying relatives. However, if your child's income is high enough that they're required to file their own return, make sure you coordinate so both of you don't claim the same person. One thing that hasn't been mentioned much is the "tie-breaker" rules when multiple people could potentially claim the same dependent. If parents are divorced or separated, there are specific rules about which parent gets to claim the child that go beyond just who provides more support. Also, keep in mind that some states have different rules than federal, so if you live in a state with income tax, double-check their dependency requirements as well. For anyone still unsure about their specific situation, I'd recommend consulting with a qualified tax professional rather than relying solely on online tools, especially for complex family situations.

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Ethan Clark

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Thank you for this professional perspective! This really helps clarify some of the confusion in this thread. I have a quick follow-up question about the tie-breaker rules you mentioned for divorced parents. My ex-husband and I have joint custody of our 20-year-old daughter who's in college. She splits time pretty evenly between our houses during breaks, but her permanent address is listed as mine for school purposes. We both contribute to her support - I pay tuition and he covers her car/insurance. Do you know which parent would have the stronger claim for the dependency exemption in this situation? We've been alternating years claiming her, but I want to make sure we're doing this correctly according to IRS rules rather than just our informal agreement. Is there an official way divorced parents should handle this, or does our alternating arrangement work as long as we coordinate properly? Also, I really appreciate your point about state tax differences - I hadn't considered that our state might have different rules than federal. I'll definitely look into that!

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