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Something that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you have ANY other traditional IRA, SEP IRA, or SIMPLE IRA with pre-tax money in it, the backdoor Roth gets more complicated because of the pro-rata rule. In that case, your basis calculation isn't as straightforward. For example, if you have $50,000 in a pre-tax traditional IRA and you add $6,500 non-deductible, then convert $6,500 to Roth, you can't just convert your non-deductible contribution. The IRS sees all your IRAs as one big pot, so only about 11.5% of your conversion would be tax-free. This trips up a lot of people.
That's a really good point that I hadn't considered. Luckily, I don't have any other traditional IRA accounts - I've only been doing these backdoor Roth contributions the last few years. Does the pro-rata rule apply to 401k accounts too, or only to IRA accounts? I have an old 401k from a previous employer that I haven't rolled over.
The pro-rata rule only applies to IRA accounts (Traditional, SEP, and SIMPLE), not to 401(k)s. So your old 401(k) won't affect your backdoor Roth strategy as long as you leave it where it is. This is actually why some people with existing traditional IRA balances will do a "reverse rollover" - moving their pre-tax IRA funds into their current employer's 401(k) if the plan allows it. This removes those funds from the pro-rata calculation, making the backdoor Roth process clean again. Something to keep in mind if your situation changes in the future.
Does anyone know if TurboTax handles the backdoor Roth contribution/conversion correctly? I've heard horror stories about tax software messing this up and people getting unexpected tax bills.
Thanks! That's helpful. I contributed and converted on the same day, so I think there weren't any earnings. But I'll check my statements just to be sure. Do you happen to know which section in TurboTax I need to go to? I've been poking around but can't seem to find where to enter the non-deductible contribution specifically.
In TurboTax, you'll want to look for the "Retirement Plans and Social Security" section, then select "IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R)". When you enter your Roth conversion there, it should also prompt you about whether you made any traditional IRA contributions during the year. Alternatively, you can go to "Deductions & Credits" and look for "Retirement Plans" or "IRA Deduction" - this is where you can specifically indicate that you made a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution. Make sure to answer "No" when it asks if you want to deduct the contribution, and "Yes" when it asks if you made the contribution with after-tax dollars. The key is making sure both transactions (the non-deductible contribution AND the conversion) are properly recorded so Form 8606 gets completed accurately.
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This is a great question that trips up a lot of people! The key thing to remember is that mega backdoor Roth conversions are indeed treated as conversions, not contributions, so you're subject to the 5-year holding period for each conversion. One strategy I've seen work well is to layer your Roth funding approach: 1. Max out direct Roth IRA contributions first ($7,000 for 2025) - these can be withdrawn anytime 2. Then consider mega backdoor Roth for additional tax-free growth, knowing those funds will be locked up for 5 years Also worth noting: if you're doing multiple mega backdoor conversions throughout the year (say, quarterly rollovers), each conversion starts its own 5-year clock. So keep detailed records of conversion dates - you don't want to accidentally withdraw from a newer conversion thinking it was from an older one that's already past the 5-year mark. The complexity is definitely worth it for the long-term tax benefits, but plan accordingly if you need liquidity!
This is really helpful advice about layering the Roth funding approach! I'm new to all this and wasn't even aware that each conversion has its own 5-year clock - that's going to make record keeping a lot more complex than I thought. Quick question: when you say "quarterly rollovers," are you referring to doing the after-tax 401k to Roth IRA conversion multiple times per year? I was thinking I'd just do it once annually, but is there an advantage to doing it more frequently? And do most brokerages provide good tools for tracking all these different conversion dates, or do I need to maintain my own spreadsheet? Thanks for breaking this down so clearly - definitely going to start with maxing out direct Roth IRA contributions first before diving into the mega backdoor strategy.
Great question about frequency! Yes, I'm referring to doing the after-tax 401k to Roth IRA conversion multiple times per year. The main advantage of more frequent conversions is minimizing the earnings that get taxed during the conversion. Here's why: when you contribute after-tax dollars to your 401k, any growth on those contributions becomes taxable income when you convert to Roth IRA. If you let those after-tax contributions sit and grow for a full year before converting, you'll owe ordinary income tax on all those gains. But if you convert quarterly (or even monthly if your plan allows), you minimize the taxable growth. As for tracking, most major brokerages (Fidelity, Vanguard, Schwab) do provide conversion tracking tools, but they're not always intuitive. I personally maintain a simple spreadsheet with conversion dates and amounts - it's saved me multiple times when doing tax planning. The IRS Form 8606 also requires you to track this info, so good records are essential. Your plan to start with direct Roth IRA contributions first is smart - gives you that liquidity cushion while you're learning the mega backdoor ropes!
Just wanted to share my experience as someone who's been doing mega backdoor Roth for about 3 years now. The 5-year rule definitely applies to these conversions, and it can get complicated fast if you're not organized about it. One thing I learned the hard way: make sure your 401(k) plan actually allows what you think it does. My first employer's plan technically allowed after-tax contributions but had restrictions on when you could do in-service distributions. I ended up having to wait until I left the company to roll those funds to a Roth IRA, which wasn't ideal for my timeline. Also, don't forget about state tax implications! Some states treat Roth conversions differently than the federal government, so factor that into your planning. I use a simple Excel sheet to track all my conversion dates and amounts - it's been invaluable come tax time. The strategy is definitely worth it for the long-term tax-free growth, but as others have mentioned, prioritize your direct Roth IRA contributions first for maximum flexibility. Those $7,000 annual contributions (or $8,000 if you're 50+) can be your emergency access funds if needed.
Thanks for sharing your real-world experience! That point about checking your 401(k) plan's specific rules is so important - I almost made the same mistake. My HR department initially told me our plan allowed after-tax contributions, but when I dug deeper, I found out we could only do in-service distributions once per year, which would have messed up my strategy of doing quarterly conversions. The state tax angle is something I hadn't even considered - definitely need to research how my state handles this. Do you happen to know if there's a good resource for checking state-specific Roth conversion rules, or did you just research your own state individually? Also curious about your Excel tracking system - do you track anything beyond just dates and amounts? I'm wondering if I should also note which brokerage account each conversion went to, since I have Roth IRAs at two different firms.
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Curious if anyone's considered the Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) exclusion with a C Corp structure? If you start a new C Corp for investing, hold the stock for 5+ years, and it qualifies under Section 1202, you could potentially exclude up to 100% of capital gains up to $10 million or 10x your basis. The tricky part is meeting the "active business" requirement since passive investments don't qualify. But if you're actively trading/investing as a business, it might work? Any tax pros here know if a trading business can qualify?
Unfortunately, the QSBS exclusion specifically excludes businesses where the principal asset is the reputation/skill of employees, and businesses in finance, investing, or similar fields. A C Corp whose primary activity is trading or investing wouldn't qualify for the QSBS exclusion. The QSBS benefit is aimed at operating businesses in qualified sectors like manufacturing or technology, not investment vehicles. There are some creative structures where a portion of activities might qualify, but it's complex and would require very specific planning with a qualified tax attorney.
Thanks for clearing that up! I wondered if there was a way to make it work, but sounds like it's not viable for investment activities. Back to comparing the standard LLC vs C Corp options then. Appreciate the expert insight!
Harold, one thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the potential for estimated tax payments throughout the year. With an LLC structure, since the profits flow through to your personal return, you'll need to make quarterly estimated payments on those gains - especially if they're pushing you into higher brackets. This can create cash flow challenges if your investment returns are lumpy or come late in the year. With a C Corp, the corporation handles its own estimated payments at the 21% rate, which might be easier to manage from a cash flow perspective. However, you'll need to be very careful about reasonable compensation rules if you're actively managing the investments - the IRS may require you to pay yourself a salary for services performed, which brings payroll taxes back into the picture. Also consider that if you ever want to change structures later, converting from C Corp to LLC is much more complicated (and potentially expensive from a tax standpoint) than going the other direction. Starting with an LLC and potentially electing S Corp status down the road gives you more flexibility as your situation evolves.
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Random question but does anyone know if tax software like TurboTax handles all this correctly? Like do I need to manually separate out my qualified dividends when entering everything or does it do that automatically?
TurboTax handles this automatically. As long as you enter your 1099-DIV forms correctly (or import them directly from your broker), it will apply the correct tax rates to each type of investment income. Same with H&R Block and most other tax software - they're designed to apply all these different rates correctly. The software is actually pretty good at this part.
That's a relief! I was worried I'd have to manually figure out which income goes into which category. Guess I'll just make sure all my 1099s get imported correctly. Thanks!
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation as the original poster - first year with significant investment gains and totally confused about how everything gets taxed together. One thing I'm still not clear on though - if my total income puts me right at the threshold between tax brackets for qualified dividends (like right around that $46,800 mark someone mentioned), do ALL my qualified dividends get taxed at the higher rate, or just the portion that pushes me over the threshold? For example, if I have $45,000 in regular income and $5,000 in qualified dividends, does the entire $5,000 get taxed at 15%, or just the portion above $46,800 (so like $3,200 at 15% and $1,800 at 0%)? I know regular income tax brackets work as marginal rates where you only pay the higher rate on income above each threshold, but I can't figure out if qualified dividends work the same way or if it's all-or-nothing based on your total income level.
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I just went through this exact situation with my small real estate agency last month! Got a CP2100A notice for filing property inspectors and appraisers on 1099-MISC instead of 1099-NEC forms. The IRS language is absolutely confusing - I must have read it five times before I understood what they were actually asking for. From my experience and what my tax preparer confirmed, you're interpreting the notice correctly. The CP2100A is essentially the IRS saying "heads up, there's a mismatch - fix it going forward." For 2023, you don't need to file corrected returns unless they specifically request it in a follow-up notice, which is rare for this type of form discrepancy. For the SSN typo, definitely keep that W9 on file as proof you used the information the contractor provided. The IRS recognizes good faith efforts based on documentation received. One thing that helped me avoid this issue for 2024 was going through my accounting software (I use QuickBooks) and updating the default 1099 settings. There was a preference buried in the contractor setup that still defaulted to 1099-MISC for all payments. I had to manually change it to automatically generate 1099-NEC for service providers. The timing of these notices is terrible - getting them almost a full year after filing when you're already preparing for the next tax season! But it sounds like this 1099-MISC vs 1099-NEC confusion is incredibly common as businesses are still catching up to the 2020 form changes. You're definitely not alone in dealing with this!
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Carmen Diaz
•Thanks for sharing your experience, Malik! It's really reassuring to hear from someone in the same industry who went through this exact situation. The real estate sector seems to be hit particularly hard by this 1099-MISC vs 1099-NEC confusion since we work with so many independent contractors for inspections, appraisals, and other services. Your point about updating QuickBooks settings is super helpful - I'm definitely going to dig into those preferences before we start our 2024 filings. It's frustrating that these software companies haven't made the 2020 form changes more obvious in their default settings. You'd think after 4 years they would have updated the defaults! The timing really is awful - getting these notices when you're already stressed about the upcoming filing season feels like the IRS is just piling on. But reading through everyone's experiences here has made me realize this is just a routine compliance issue rather than some major violation. Did your tax preparer mention anything about whether we might see more of these notices in the future as the IRS continues to process mismatched forms? I'm wondering if this is going to be an ongoing issue for the next few years as businesses catch up to the form changes. Thanks again for sharing - it really helps to know others have navigated this successfully!
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Omar Hassan
As someone who just joined this community and has been dealing with tax compliance issues for my small business, I wanted to thank everyone for sharing such detailed and helpful experiences with CP2100A notices. I'm currently facing a similar situation with my home improvement contracting business - we've been filing our subcontractors on 1099-MISC forms and just received our first CP2100A notice yesterday. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly educational and reassuring. The consensus seems clear: keep the notice on file, update systems to use 1099-NEC for service providers going forward, and don't stress about filing corrections unless specifically requested by the IRS. What really stands out is how common this issue is - it sounds like the 2020 form changes caught a lot of businesses off guard and we're all still adjusting. I'm particularly grateful for the practical tips about updating accounting software defaults and the mention of IRS Publication 15-A. Those actionable steps make this feel much more manageable than when I first opened that notice and panicked! Has anyone found that their relationship with contractors changed at all when switching to 1099-NEC forms? I'm wondering if there are any differences from the contractor's perspective when they receive the different form types for tax purposes.
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Miguel Hernández
•Welcome to the community, Omar! I'm also relatively new here but have found this thread incredibly helpful for understanding CP2100A notices. Your situation with subcontractors sounds very similar to what many others have shared. Regarding your question about contractor relationships - from what I've seen in other discussions, the switch from 1099-MISC to 1099-NEC typically doesn't affect contractors at all from a practical standpoint. Both forms serve the same basic purpose of reporting non-employee compensation to the IRS, and contractors use the information the same way when filing their tax returns. The main difference is just organizational - the IRS split the forms in 2020 to separate non-employee compensation (now on 1099-NEC) from other miscellaneous payments like rent or prizes (which stay on 1099-MISC). From your contractors' perspective, they're still receiving documentation of the income you paid them, just on the "correct" form now. If anything, using the proper form might actually be helpful to your contractors since it shows you're staying current with IRS requirements and properly categorizing their payments. I haven't heard of any contractors having issues with the form switch - most probably prefer working with businesses that handle their tax reporting correctly! The home improvement industry seems to be another sector heavily affected by this transition, similar to real estate. You're definitely in good company with this compliance update!
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