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Guys, I'm pretty sure 84201 is just the general Ogden, UT zip code while 84409 is the specific one for the IRS processing center there. USPS tracking often just shows it reaching the general facility. I wouldn't panic unless you get a notice from the IRS about a missing form.
Thank you so much! This makes me feel a lot better. So basically all mail going to that IRS facility might show as delivered to 84201 even if we sent it to 84409? That would explain everything. I think I'll still call to confirm they received it just for peace of mind, but knowing this is common is really reassuring.
Exactly! The 84201 zip is basically the main Ogden postal hub, while 84409 is one of the specific IRS routing codes. The USPS tracking usually just shows delivery to the main facility, not the internal routing that happens afterward. Calling to confirm is always smart with something as important as Form 3520, especially with those ridiculous penalties. But I'm 99% sure your form is exactly where it needs to be!
I went through this exact same panic with my Form 3520 last year! The ZIP code difference from 84409 to 84201 is totally normal for the Ogden processing center. What helped me was keeping detailed records - I made copies of everything including the certified mail receipt and tracking info. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given: if you do call the IRS to confirm receipt, ask them to email you a confirmation or give you a reference number for the call. I learned this the hard way when I had to prove I'd filed on time for a different form. Having that paper trail saved me from potential penalties. Also, don't stress too much about the deadline - as long as you mailed it by the due date with proper postage, you're generally considered to have filed on time even if delivery takes a few extra days. The certified mail receipt with the mailing date is your proof of timely filing. You're being smart by staying on top of this. Form 3520 penalties are no joke, but it sounds like you did everything right!
This is such helpful advice! I never thought about asking for an email confirmation or reference number when calling the IRS. That's a really smart way to document the conversation. Quick question - when you say "email you a confirmation," do they actually send emails? I thought the IRS mostly communicated through regular mail. Or are you talking about getting them to note something in your account that you can reference later? Also, thanks for the reminder about the mailing date being what matters for the deadline. I've been so focused on when it was delivered that I forgot the postmark date is the key thing. My certified mail receipt shows I sent it two days before the deadline, so I should be okay even if there were delivery issues.
You're absolutely right to ask about that! The IRS doesn't typically send email confirmations (they're pretty old school with their communications), but what I meant was asking the agent to make a detailed note in your taxpayer account that includes the date/time of your call and confirmation that they verified receipt of your form. When you call, ask them to provide you with a "call reference number" or "interaction tracking number" - this is basically their internal system's way of documenting the conversation. You can write this number down along with the agent's name/ID number and the date. If you ever need to reference the call later, you can give them that number and they should be able to pull up the notes. Some agents are more thorough about documentation than others, so don't be afraid to specifically ask them to note in your account that you called to verify receipt of Form 3520 filed on [your mailing date] with tracking number [your certified mail number]. The more specific you are, the better the documentation will be. And yes, you're totally right about the postmark date - that certified mail receipt showing you mailed it before the deadline is your golden ticket! Sounds like you're all set.
5 I messed up my backdoor Roth reporting last year and had to file an amended return. Make sure you keep track of your "basis" in the Traditional IRA across multiple years if you do this annually. Also, TurboTax really struggled with this - had to manually override some calculations.
10 Which tax software handles backdoor Roth the best? I used H&R Block last year and it was confusing.
FreeTaxUSA has been pretty solid for backdoor Roth reporting in my experience. It handles Form 8606 well and asks the right questions to walk you through the process. Much better than some of the bigger names that seem to get confused by the non-deductible contribution part. The interface isn't as fancy but it gets the job done correctly, which is what matters for this type of situation.
Great question about backdoor Roth reporting! I went through this exact same confusion last year. You're absolutely right that you need Form 8606 - that's the key form you'll fill out yourself to report the non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution. Fidelity won't send you a separate form for that initial contribution, which is why you only got the 1099-R. Here's what I learned: Form 8606 Part I is where you'll report your $6,500 non-deductible contribution, and Part II handles the conversion to Roth. Since you converted right away with no earnings, the taxable portion should be zero. Just make sure to keep good records of your basis for future years if you plan to do this annually. One tip - double-check that you don't have any other Traditional, SEP, or SIMPLE IRA balances anywhere else, as those would affect the pro-rata calculation and make part of your conversion taxable. The IRS looks at all your IRA accounts combined when calculating the taxable portion.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to this whole backdoor Roth process and was getting overwhelmed by all the different forms. Your explanation about Form 8606 Parts I and II makes it much clearer. Quick question - when you mention keeping good records of basis for future years, what exactly should I be documenting? Just the contribution amounts each year, or is there other information I need to track?
My mom did the same thing last year. I got totally paranoid about it and ended up asking my tax preparer. She said not to worry because: 1) The bank sends 1099-INT forms to report interest to whoever's Social Security number is primary on the account (probably your mom's) 2) No gift tax forms are needed unless you actually take $ out for yourself 3) The IRS doesn't consider account access the same as receiving money Hope that helps ease your mind!
This is such a common concern and you're smart to ask about it upfront! I went through the exact same situation with my dad a few years ago. The good news is that simply being added to help manage her accounts doesn't create any immediate tax consequences for you. However, I'd strongly recommend getting clarity on a few things: 1) Make sure you keep detailed records of what money goes in/out and for what purposes 2) Consider having your mom sign a simple document stating that you're managing the accounts as her agent, not as a gift recipient 3) If she ever needs Medicaid for long-term care, having your name on the accounts could complicate the application process The key thing is that as long as you're using the money for HER benefit (bills, expenses, etc.) and not taking anything for yourself, you should be fine tax-wise. But documentation is your friend here - it protects both of you if questions ever come up later. You're being a good son helping her out like this!
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the documentation you mentioned - what should that simple document say exactly? Should it be notarized or just a basic written statement? I want to make sure I'm protecting both my mom and myself properly.
This is basically a misclassification issue. The university is treating you as an independent contractor (hence the 1099-NEC) when you might not actually be one. True independent contractors have: - Control over how they perform their work - Significant independence from the organization - Usually work for multiple clients - Provide their own tools/equipment - Have opportunity for profit/loss If you don't meet these criteria, you might be misclassified. Stipends for research usually should be treated as either scholarship/fellowship income or employee wages. Instead of trying to puzzle through Schedule C, might be worth filing Form SS-8 with the IRS to request a determination of worker status. It's a free process, though it can take 6+ months for a determination.
This is getting complicated fast. If I file that SS-8 form, do I still need to file my taxes normally while waiting for the determination? I'm getting close to the deadline.
Yes, you still need to file your taxes by the deadline. You have a few options: You can file your return reporting the income as shown on the 1099-NEC (on Schedule C), then if the IRS determines you were an employee, file an amended return later. Alternatively, you can file Form 4868 to request a 6-month extension, but remember that's just an extension to file the paperwork - you still need to pay any estimated taxes due by the original deadline to avoid penalties.
I'm dealing with a very similar situation right now! Got a 1099-NEC from my university for what they called a "research expense allowance" but it's being treated like contractor income. After reading through all these responses, it sounds like the Schedule C approach with expense deductions is the most practical solution when universities won't budge on reissuing forms. I'm curious though - for those who have gone this route, did you need to get an EIN or business license to file Schedule C? I'm just a graduate student and don't want to accidentally create more complications by making it look like I'm running an actual business. Also, has anyone had success arguing that research stipends should be treated as fellowship income instead? My award letter specifically mentions this was for "educational and research purposes" which sounds more like a fellowship to me.
You don't need an EIN or business license to file Schedule C - you can use your SSN and treat it as a sole proprietorship for tax purposes only. Many graduate students end up in this situation and it doesn't create any business registration requirements. Regarding fellowship treatment, that's actually a great point! If your award letter specifically states it's for "educational and research purposes" and you're a degree candidate, you might have a strong case for fellowship income treatment. Fellowship income used for qualified educational expenses (tuition, fees, books, supplies required for courses) is generally not taxable at all. The key question is whether you were required to perform specific services in exchange for the stipend. If it was truly awarded to support your education/research without a service requirement, it leans more toward fellowship treatment. You might want to consult with a tax professional who understands academic funding - this could potentially save you from having to deal with Schedule C altogether.
StarSurfer
Don't forget that if you absolutely can't get your W2, you can file Form 4852 (Substitute for W-2) with your tax return. You'll need to estimate your wages and tax withholding as accurately as possible using your last pay stub. Not ideal, but it's there as a last resort if you truly can't get your W2s any other way.
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Carmen Reyes
ā¢Just be careful with this approach. If your estimates are significantly off, you might have to file an amended return later when the correct information becomes available. The IRS might also delay processing your return if they see discrepancies.
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GalacticGuardian
Another option that worked for me was checking if your former employers used a payroll service like ADP or Paychex. Even after leaving on bad terms, you might still be able to access your employee portal if you remember your login credentials. Many people don't realize these accounts often stay active for a while after termination. I was able to download my W2 directly from ADP's website without having to contact my awful former boss at all. Just go to the payroll company's website and try logging in with your old credentials - worst case scenario it doesn't work, but if it does, you can get your W2 immediately.
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