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Ellie Kim

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I've been working with AFR calculations for estate planning purposes for several years, and I wanted to add one more resource that might be helpful for your situation. The Bureau of Public Debt (now part of Treasury Direct) maintains archived AFR data that's particularly useful because it includes footnotes explaining any special circumstances or corrections that were made to published rates. What's especially valuable about their archive is that it shows when the IRS issued corrections or clarifications to previously published rates - something that can be critical in legal disputes. I've seen cases where using an uncorrected rate led to significant calculation errors that weren't discovered until much later. You can access this through the Treasury Direct historical data section. While it requires a bit more navigation than some of the other sources mentioned here, the additional context and correction history could be invaluable for a $175K dispute where precision is critical. Also, since you mentioned this involves business loans, make sure you're aware of the different AFR categories (short-term, mid-term, long-term) and which applies to your specific loan terms. The IRS is very strict about using the correct category based on the loan's original term length, not the remaining balance period.

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Freya Collins

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This is really valuable information about the correction history! I hadn't considered that there might be corrections to previously published AFR rates. Given the amount at stake in my dispute, using an incorrect rate that was later corrected by the IRS could be a disaster. I'm definitely going to check the Treasury Direct archive for any corrections during my loan periods (2012-present). Your point about AFR categories is also crucial - I need to make sure I'm using short-term rates for loans under 3 years, mid-term for 3-9 years, and long-term for over 9 years, based on the original loan terms, not the current status. This level of detail is exactly what I need to ensure my calculations will hold up under scrutiny. Thanks for adding this perspective - it's clear that getting AFR calculations right requires more attention to detail than I initially realized!

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Henry Delgado

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For what it's worth, I went through a similar nightmare last year trying to compile AFR data for a family business loan audit. After reading through all these suggestions, I ended up using a combination approach that worked really well. I started with the FRED database that Mia mentioned - it's incredibly user-friendly and you can download everything in Excel format. Then I cross-referenced the critical periods with Publication 1212 that Aisha recommended, especially for the business loan categories and compounding examples. The key thing I learned is that for business disputes involving significant amounts like yours, you really want multiple official sources backing up your calculations. I used the Treasury Department archive as my third verification point, and when I had questions about how to handle a loan modification that occurred mid-period, Claimyr actually got me through to an IRS specialist who walked me through exactly how to split the calculation periods. One practical tip: create a master spreadsheet with columns for each source's AFR data so you can quickly spot any discrepancies. In my case, I found two transcription errors that could have cost thousands in incorrect interest calculations. For $175K in disputed loans, that extra verification step is absolutely worth the time investment. The combination of FRED for bulk data, Publication 1212 for methodology guidance, and Treasury archives for official documentation should give you bulletproof calculations that will hold up in any dispute resolution process.

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Justin Evans

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This is incredibly helpful! I'm new to dealing with AFR calculations and was feeling overwhelmed by all the different sources mentioned in this thread. Your step-by-step approach of starting with FRED for the bulk data, then using Publication 1212 for methodology, and Treasury archives for verification makes perfect sense. The idea of creating a master spreadsheet with columns for each source is brilliant - I can already see how that would help catch any errors before they compound into major problems. Given that I'm dealing with a complex situation involving multiple loans over several years, having that kind of systematic verification process could save me from costly mistakes. I'm curious about the loan modification issue you mentioned - did the IRS specialist give you specific guidance on how to handle mid-period changes? I have a couple of loans that were restructured partway through, and I want to make sure I'm handling those correctly. Thanks for sharing your real-world experience with this process - it's exactly the kind of practical guidance I needed to feel confident moving forward with my calculations!

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Has anyone tried claiming these types of loans as gifts instead? If you're below the annual gift tax exclusion amount (which is $18,000 for 2025), wouldn't it be easier to just consider it a gift for tax purposes? You wouldn't get a deduction but at least you wouldn't risk an audit, right?

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Sasha Ivanov

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That's actually what I did with a $5000 "loan" to my cousin that I knew I'd never see again. Less headache, and honestly, it was kinda a gift anyway since I suspected he wouldn't repay it. Just keep in mind you can't switch back and forth - if you call it a gift, you can't later try to claim it as a bad debt if they don't pay.

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Thanks for sharing your experience. That's a good point about not being able to change your mind later. I think I'm going to go the gift route too - seems cleaner and less risky from an audit perspective. And you're right, when I loan money to family, I always mentally prepare for the possibility I won't get it back anyway.

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Madison Allen

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I went through something similar with my sister a few years back. One thing that really helped me understand the situation was documenting everything I could find - not just for potential tax purposes, but to get clarity on what I actually had. Even though your original agreement was just text messages, gather everything you can: the initial texts about the loan terms, any payment records (bank transfers, checks, etc.), and any subsequent communications about repayment. If your brother acknowledged the debt in writing at any point, that's valuable too. The reality is that most personal loans to family members don't qualify for bad debt deductions because the IRS assumes they're really gifts unless you can prove otherwise. But having good documentation helps you understand where you stand and what your options are. You might also want to consider having a frank conversation with your brother about officially writing off the remaining balance - sometimes that's better for family relationships than dragging it out indefinitely. Whatever you decide, don't claim the deduction unless you're confident you can back it up with solid documentation. The last thing you want is an audit over a questionable deduction.

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Freya Larsen

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This is really solid advice. I'm dealing with a similar situation with my uncle - lent him $4,000 for car repairs and only got back $800. I've been keeping all our text exchanges and Venmo records just in case, but you're absolutely right about the family conversation part. The hardest thing is that awkward middle ground where you want to maintain the relationship but also need to be realistic about the money. Have you found any good ways to approach that conversation about officially writing off the debt? I keep putting it off because I don't want to make things weird at family gatherings.

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NeonNomad

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According to the IRS website (https://www.irs.gov/refunds/tax-season-refund-frequently-asked-questions), this error can happen for several reasons: 1. Information entered doesn't match their records 2. You've checked too many times in a 24-hour period 3. Your return is still being processed 4. There's a system update in progress I'm seeing a lot of posts about this on other forums too. Can anyone confirm if checking too frequently actually causes this error? I've been checking mine daily and wonder if I should stop.

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I went through this exact same situation last year after my divorce! The "information doesn't match" error started appearing right around the same timeframe too - about 6 weeks after filing. In my case, it turned out to be related to the name change process. Even though I had filed with my married name (since that's what was on my W-2s), the IRS system was trying to cross-reference with Social Security records that were in the process of being updated to my maiden name. What finally worked for me was calling the IRS Identity Protection Specialized Unit directly at (800) 908-4490. I know everyone says calling is impossible, but I had better luck with this specific number than the general line. They were able to see that my return was actually processing fine - the WMR tool was just having authentication issues because of the name situation. The whole thing resolved itself once they put a note in my file, and I got my refund about 10 days later. Since you mentioned this refund is important for your fresh start, I'd recommend trying that number. They seem more equipped to handle post-divorce filing complications. Good luck! 🀞

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Gabriel Ruiz

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This is really helpful! I'm in a similar post-divorce situation and have been getting this error for about a week now. Quick question - when you called that specialized unit number, did you have to provide any specific documentation about your name change, or were they able to see everything in their system? I'm wondering if I should gather my divorce decree and other paperwork before calling, or if they can handle it just based on what's already in their records.

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Liam Brown

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Quick question - does anyone know if hiring a tax attorney is actually worth it for this size penalty (around $7,800 total)? I'm dealing with something similar and trying to decide if I should just set up a payment plan and move on, or if fighting the penalty might save enough to justify attorney fees.

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Olivia Garcia

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I hired a tax attorney for a $9,000 penalty issue last year. Cost me about $2,500, but they got the penalty reduced by 75%, so definitely worth it in my case. They knew exactly what documentation to gather and how to present it to the IRS in the most favorable light.

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Diego Vargas

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I'm sorry you're going through this - dealing with IRS penalties can be incredibly stressful. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the possibility of an Offer in Compromise (OIC) if you're truly unable to pay the full amount. While it's not easy to qualify for, the IRS will sometimes accept less than what you owe if paying the full amount would create a financial hardship. You'd need to demonstrate that paying the penalty would prevent you from meeting basic living expenses. The IRS looks at your income, expenses, assets, and ability to pay when considering an OIC. It's definitely worth discussing with your tax attorney when you meet with them. Also, make sure to request penalty and interest abatement in writing, even if you end up setting up a payment plan. Sometimes the IRS will consider abating interest that accrued while they were processing your abatement request, especially if there were delays on their end. Document everything - every phone call, every piece of correspondence. If you do end up working with the IRS directly, always follow up phone conversations with a written summary sent to them confirming what was discussed. This creates a paper trail that can be helpful if there are any disputes later about what was agreed upon.

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Thanks for mentioning the Offer in Compromise option - I hadn't considered that possibility. Do you know roughly what the acceptance rate is for OIC applications? I've heard they're pretty hard to get approved, but if someone is genuinely facing financial hardship it might be worth exploring. Also, does applying for an OIC pause collection activities while it's being reviewed?

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Bruno Simmons

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I just went through this exact process with my 2019 return amendment last month and can confirm what others have said - TurboTax does automatically generate the proper 1040X form when you amend through their desktop software. Here's what actually happens: When you open your original .tax file and make corrections, TurboTax tracks all the changes you make. Once you're done editing, it creates a complete amendment package that includes the official 1040X form plus any supporting schedules that changed. The key thing is to use the "Print for Mailing" option (not just regular print) - this ensures you get the complete package formatted correctly for the IRS. You'll see the actual 1040X form in there, and it will show the original amounts, corrected amounts, and the differences clearly laid out. Don't forget that 2019 amendments must be mailed - no e-filing. And definitely keep copies of everything before you send it off. The whole process took about 12 weeks for my refund to come through after mailing.

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Thanks for the detailed walkthrough! This is really helpful. Just to clarify - when you say "Print for Mailing" option, is that different from the regular print function? I want to make sure I don't accidentally print the wrong version and mess up my submission. Also, did you have to include any additional documentation with your amendment, or was the TurboTax-generated package sufficient on its own?

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Yes, "Print for Mailing" is definitely different from regular print! In TurboTax desktop, after you finish your amendment, look for a button that specifically says "Print for Mailing" or "Print Tax Return for Filing" - this generates the official IRS-formatted versions of all forms. The regular print function might just give you a summary or draft version that wouldn't be acceptable to the IRS. For additional documentation, it depends on what you're amending. If you're correcting something like a W-2 or 1099 that was reported incorrectly, you should include the corrected forms. But if you're just fixing a calculation error or claiming a deduction you forgot, the TurboTax package is usually sufficient. The 1040X form itself has space to explain what you're changing and why, which TurboTax fills out automatically based on your amendments.

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One more tip that saved me a lot of headache - after you generate the 1040X package from TurboTax but before you mail it, double-check that the "Explanation of changes" section on Part III of the 1040X makes sense and clearly describes what you're amending. Sometimes TurboTax's automatic explanation can be a bit generic or unclear. You can handwrite additional clarification in the margins if needed, or attach a separate sheet with more details. The IRS processors really appreciate clear explanations of what changed and why, especially if your amendment involves multiple corrections. This can help prevent delays or follow-up questions that might slow down your refund processing. Also, don't forget to sign and date the 1040X form itself - I almost missed that step and would have had to redo the whole mailing!

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Brian Downey

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This is such great advice about checking the explanation section! I'm actually in the middle of amending my 2019 return right now and was worried that TurboTax's auto-generated explanation might not be clear enough. My situation involves correcting both a missed deduction and fixing an incorrectly reported 1099-INT, so I want to make sure the IRS understands exactly what I'm changing. Did you find that adding your own handwritten clarification actually helped speed up the process, or is that just speculation? I'm trying to avoid any delays since I know amended returns already take forever to process.

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