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Quick tip from someone who got audited last year (not for mileage but other business expenses): Take photos of your odometer at the beginning and end of each day as additional proof. The timestamp and GPS data in the photos can help validate your written records. I use the free app Timestamp Camera which adds date, time and GPS coordinates right on the image. IRS agent actually commented that my documentation was "impressively thorough" lol.
Really smart idea! Just downloaded that app. Did you get in trouble for anything during your audit? Was it scary? I'm always paranoid about getting audited.
The audit wasn't as terrifying as I expected! It was just a mail audit where they questioned some of my business equipment purchases. They accepted most of my deductions because I had receipts and could explain how each item was used for business. I did have to pay a little extra because I had deducted some things that were partially personal use without properly allocating the percentage. The agent was actually reasonable and explained exactly what they needed to see. Having dated photos and organized records made a huge difference. They didn't even question my mileage because my documentation was so clear. My best advice is to be organized from the start rather than scrambling if you get audited.
Great discussion everyone! As someone who's been doing gig work for over 2 years, I wanted to add that consistency is really the key here. Whatever method you choose - whether it's a simple daily log, a mileage app, or detailed trip records - just stick with it throughout the year. I've found that the IRS cares more about having a regular system than having every single detail. Your current method of daily odometer readings is actually pretty solid, Connor. I'd just suggest adding the date, starting location, ending location, and "delivery driving" as the business purpose to each entry. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also track any miles driven to get your car serviced or maintained specifically for your delivery work. Oil changes, tire rotations, etc. that are necessary because of your increased business mileage are deductible too. Those miles add up over the year! Also, keep your records for at least 3 years after filing. The IRS has that long to audit, and having organized records makes everything much less stressful if they ever do come knocking.
This is such helpful advice, Ella! I'm just starting out with delivery driving and was feeling overwhelmed by all the different tracking methods people suggested. Your point about consistency being more important than perfection really puts things in perspective. I didn't know about deducting miles for car maintenance related to business use - that's a great tip! Should I be keeping receipts for those services too, or is just tracking the miles to and from the shop enough? Also, when you say "starting location" and "ending location," do you mean like specific addresses or is it okay to be more general like "home to downtown delivery area"? Thanks for breaking this down in such a practical way. It makes the whole process seem much more manageable!
As someone who's been through this exact situation, I completely understand your confusion! Yes, it's absolutely normal and necessary for your CPA to request your EFTPS PIN. They need it to make federal tax payments on your behalf - this includes quarterly estimated taxes, any year-end balance due, and if you have employees, payroll tax deposits. The EFTPS letter with your PIN is typically mailed to you automatically after you register your business and get your EIN, but sometimes they get lost in the shuffle of all the other paperwork new business owners receive. Don't worry - this happens more often than you'd think! If you can't locate your PIN letter, you have a few options: 1. Call EFTPS customer service at 1-800-555-4477 to request a replacement (takes 7-10 business days) 2. For immediate payments while waiting for your PIN, you can use IRS Direct Pay as a temporary solution 3. Your CPA may be able to help you set up alternative payment methods for urgent deadlines Just make sure your CPA has proper security measures in place for handling sensitive information like PINs - any reputable tax professional should have secure systems for storing client credentials. Don't hesitate to ask them about their data security practices if you have concerns!
This is such helpful and comprehensive advice! I really appreciate you breaking down all the options. I'm definitely going to ask my CPA about their security practices - that's a great point I hadn't thought of. It's reassuring to know that losing the PIN letter is common for new business owners. I was feeling pretty incompetent about the whole thing! Quick question - when you mention "alternative payment methods for urgent deadlines," what exactly does that look like? Is it just using the IRS Direct Pay system, or are there other options my CPA might suggest?
Great question! Yes, IRS Direct Pay is the main alternative for individual and business estimated tax payments when you don't have EFTPS access yet. Your CPA might also suggest: 1. **Wire transfers** - Some CPAs can arrange same-day wire payments to the IRS for urgent deadlines, though these typically have higher fees 2. **Third-party payment processors** - Services like Official Payments or PayUSAtax allow credit card or bank transfer payments (with processing fees) 3. **Manual checks** - For some payment types, your CPA might overnight a physical check to the IRS, though this is becoming less common The key is communicating with your CPA about the timeline. Most are experienced with these situations and can help you avoid penalties while waiting for your EFTPS access. Just be aware that alternative methods often come with additional fees, so factor that into your decision!
I'm a tax professional and wanted to chime in to reassure you - this is completely standard practice! Your CPA absolutely needs your EFTPS PIN to handle your business tax obligations properly. When you registered for your EIN, the IRS should have automatically enrolled you in EFTPS and mailed you the PIN letter, but it's surprisingly common for new business owners to overlook or misplace this document among all the other paperwork. A few important points to remember: - Never share your EFTPS PIN via email or unsecured communication - Your CPA should have secure methods for storing and handling sensitive client information - If you can't find your original PIN letter, call 1-800-555-4477 to request a replacement - For immediate payment needs while waiting for your new PIN, you can use IRS Direct Pay for most business tax payments Also, make sure to keep that PIN letter in a secure location once you get it - you'll need it for ongoing tax compliance throughout the year, not just for quarterly payments. Consider making a secure digital copy as a backup. Don't feel bad about being confused - the tax system is complex and every small business owner goes through this learning curve!
Thank you for this professional perspective! As a new business owner, it's so reassuring to hear from an actual tax professional that this confusion is normal. I really appreciate the security reminders too - I definitely want to make sure I'm handling sensitive information properly. Quick question: when you mention making a "secure digital copy" of the PIN letter, what's the best way to do that? Should I password-protect a scanned PDF, or is there a better method you'd recommend for backing up these types of sensitive tax documents?
Great question about secure digital copies! As a tax professional, I recommend a few layers of security for sensitive documents like your EFTPS PIN letter: 1. **Password-protected PDFs** are your best first step - use a strong, unique password that you store in a password manager 2. **Encrypted cloud storage** with two-factor authentication enabled (like Google Drive, Dropbox Business, or OneDrive with encryption) 3. **Local encrypted storage** as a backup - consider an encrypted external drive that's not always connected to your computer For the actual scanning process, use a high-resolution setting and make sure the entire document is clearly readable, including that small tear-off portion with the PIN. I also recommend scanning it as soon as you receive it, while it's still in perfect condition. One additional tip: create a simple inventory document listing all your important tax documents and where you've stored them (both physical and digital locations). This saves so much time when you or your CPA needs to locate something quickly during tax season!
Has anyone used TurboTax to do this amendment? Their interface keeps confusing me when I try to switch methods.
I tried using TurboTax for an amendment like this and it was a nightmare. The software kept automatically calculating depreciation recapture weirdly. I ended up just using the IRS paper forms and doing it myself.
Yes, you can definitely amend your 2023 return to switch from actual expenses to standard mileage! This is actually a smart strategic move that many business owners don't realize they can make. The key rule is that you must use standard mileage in the FIRST year you place the vehicle in service for business to maintain flexibility between methods in future years. Since 2023 was your first year using this car for business, amending that return to use standard mileage will "reset" your election and give you the flexibility to choose either method going forward. You'll need to file Form 1040-X along with a revised Schedule C. Remove any depreciation, actual expenses, and Section 179 deductions you claimed for the vehicle, and replace them with the standard mileage deduction (65.5 cents per mile for 2023). Make sure you have solid documentation of your business miles for 2023 - mileage logs, calendar appointments, receipts showing business locations, etc. One important note: if you claimed any depreciation or Section 179 deductions on the vehicle, you may need to deal with depreciation recapture when switching to standard mileage. The calculation can get complex, so consider using tax software that handles amendments or consulting with a tax professional to make sure you get it right. You have until April 2027 to amend your 2023 return (three years from the original filing date), so you have plenty of time. But I'd recommend doing it sooner rather than later so you can plan your 2024 and future tax strategies accordingly.
This is really helpful information! I'm actually in a similar situation but with a 2024 vehicle purchase. If I used actual expenses on my 2024 return that I just filed, do I still have time to amend it to standard mileage? Or is it too late since 2025 tax season is already underway? I'm worried I might have locked myself into actual expenses forever by not knowing about this rule earlier.
I'm confused abt all this bc my friend who works as a actor deducts haircuts, makeup, headshots, etc. Is that different somehow? Why can she deduct those things if they're "personal" expenses?
Your friend is likely filing as a self-employed person (independent contractor) on Schedule C rather than as a W-2 employee. Actors, models, and performers often work as independent contractors and have different tax rules. In the entertainment industry, things like specialized hairstyling, makeup, and headshots may be considered ordinary and necessary business expenses because they're specifically for performances or auditions, not everyday appearance. It's a specific industry exception.
The entertainment industry exception that Mia mentioned is key - but it's more nuanced than just being self-employed. Even self-employed people in most industries can't deduct regular haircuts and grooming as business expenses. For actors and performers, the IRS allows deductions for appearance-related expenses when they're specifically for a role or performance that requires a look significantly different from normal appearance. A regular business haircut still wouldn't qualify, but theatrical makeup, costume pieces, or specialized styling for a specific character might. The "ordinary and necessary" test is critical here - the expense has to be both common in your industry AND directly related to producing income. For most sales jobs, regular grooming doesn't meet this standard because maintaining basic professional appearance is considered a personal responsibility, not a specialized business requirement. If you're curious about your specific situation, I'd recommend getting professional advice since these rules can be tricky to navigate correctly.
This is really helpful clarification! I think the "significantly different from normal appearance" part is what most people miss. So if an actor needs to dye their hair blonde for a specific role when they're naturally brunette, that styling cost could be deductible, but their regular monthly trim to maintain their usual look wouldn't be? And I'm guessing this is why so many people get confused about the rules - they hear about entertainment industry deductions and assume it applies to everyone who needs to look professional for work. Thanks for breaking down the "ordinary and necessary" test too - that makes it much clearer why a sales job appearance requirement is treated differently than a performance requirement.
Giovanni Greco
I'm dealing with this exact situation right now with three different clients who just received their 2020 ERC refunds! It's such a relief to see this thread confirming the 60-day rule - I was really panicking about being outside the normal amendment window. One thing I wanted to add for anyone else in this boat: make sure you're also considering the impact on any state credits or deductions that were based on the original wage amounts. In my state (Illinois), we have some workforce development credits that are calculated based on wages paid, so the reduced wage expense from the ERC could affect those calculations too. Also, I've found it helpful to prepare a simple timeline document for each client showing: original return filed date, ERC claim filed date, ERC refund received date, and amendment filing date. This makes it crystal clear to the IRS that we're within the proper timeframe and helps support the correlative adjustment argument. Has anyone encountered situations where the client received partial ERC refunds over multiple dates? I have one client who got their 2020 ERC in two separate payments about a month apart, and I'm wondering if the 60-day clock starts from the first payment or if each payment gets its own 60-day window.
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Kayla Morgan
•Great point about state credits! I hadn't considered the ripple effects beyond just the federal wage deduction adjustment. Regarding your question about partial ERC refunds - from my understanding, each payment should trigger its own 60-day window. So if your client received the first payment on January 15th and the second on February 15th, you'd have until March 16th to file amendments covering the first payment, and until April 16th for the second payment. However, for simplicity, I'd recommend filing one comprehensive amendment within 60 days of the final payment and clearly documenting both payment dates in your explanation letter. This way you're definitely within the safe harbor period for both payments and avoid any confusion about which payment triggered which amendment deadline. The timeline document you mentioned is a great idea - I'm going to start using that approach with my ERC clients too!
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Diego Flores
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm currently facing this same nightmare scenario with two of my S-corp clients who just received their 2020 ERC refunds - one for $28k and another for $51k. I've been losing sleep over this thinking we were completely out of luck with the 3-year amendment deadline having passed. The 60-day correlative adjustment rule is news to me, and honestly a huge relief. I'm definitely going to file the amended 1120-S and corresponding 1040-X returns ASAP. One additional consideration I wanted to mention - make sure to check if your client has any outstanding installment agreements or payment plans with the IRS. I had a situation last year where filing an amended return that increased tax liability affected an existing payment plan, and we had to contact the IRS to modify the agreement terms. Also, for anyone dealing with this, I'd recommend calculating the additional tax liability before filing so your client isn't surprised. The reduction in wage deduction flows through as additional taxable income on the K-1, which could push them into higher tax brackets or affect other deductions. Better to prepare them for the tax impact upfront than have an unhappy client later! Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this community is such a lifesaver for situations like these!
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