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Based on your situation, here are a few key points that might help with your Form 4684: Since you mentioned you've never filed a tax return before, you'll want to be extra careful with documentation. The IRS tends to scrutinize first-time filers more closely, especially for significant deductions like casualty losses. For the fair market value calculation, your $27k repair cost is actually a solid starting point. The IRS Publication 547 specifically mentions that repair costs can be used as evidence of decreased fair market value, as long as the repairs only restore the property to its pre-damage condition (which sounds like your case with the roof). One important thing others haven't mentioned - make sure you get a copy of the official FEMA disaster declaration for your area. You'll need the disaster declaration number for your Form 4684, and having this documentation helps establish that your loss qualifies for the special disaster provisions. Also, since your income is $110k, definitely run the numbers on claiming this loss on your 2023 return (amended) versus your 2024 return. If your 2023 income was lower, the 10% AGI threshold would be smaller, potentially giving you a larger deduction. Don't forget to keep detailed records of everything - the IRS has up to 3 years to audit casualty loss claims, and disaster-related deductions sometimes get extra scrutiny.

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Ethan Moore

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This is really comprehensive advice! The point about getting the FEMA disaster declaration number is something I hadn't thought about - where exactly do you find that? Is it on the FEMA website or do I need to contact them directly? Also, you mentioned that first-time filers get more scrutiny for casualty losses. Should I consider getting professional help with this return given the complexity and the fact that I've never filed before? I'm worried about making a mistake that could trigger an audit, especially with such a large deduction compared to my income. One more question - when you say the IRS has 3 years to audit casualty loss claims, does that timeline start from when I file the return or from the tax year the loss occurred?

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You can find the FEMA disaster declaration number on the FEMA website at disasterassistance.gov - just search by your state and the date range when the hurricane occurred. The declaration will show the specific counties covered and the disaster number (usually starts with "DR-" followed by numbers). You can also call FEMA at 1-800-621-3362 if you have trouble locating it online. Given the complexity and your first-time filer status, I'd definitely recommend getting professional help, especially with a $27k deduction. A good tax professional will know exactly how to document everything properly and can help you decide whether to claim it on 2023 (amended) or 2024 based on your income comparison. The 3-year audit timeline starts from when you actually file the return (or the due date if you file early). So if you claim it on your 2024 return filed in 2025, they'd have until 2028 to audit. If you amend your 2023 return, it would be 3 years from when you file that amendment. One more tip - definitely keep digital copies of all your documentation backed up in multiple places. I've seen people lose critical paperwork and then struggle with audit responses years later.

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Just wanted to add a few practical tips from my own experience dealing with hurricane damage and Form 4684: Make sure to document the timeline carefully - note the exact date of the hurricane and when you discovered/assessed the damage. The IRS wants to see that the loss occurred in a specific tax year for timing purposes. Since you mentioned not having insurance, you'll want to be prepared to explain why on Form 4684 if asked. Sometimes the IRS questions why someone didn't have coverage, especially for significant losses. Just be honest about your situation. For the $27k in repair costs, try to break down the invoices by category if possible (materials, labor, permits, etc.). This level of detail can be helpful if you face any questions later. Also, if any of the work required permits from your local building department, keep copies of those as well - they help establish that the repairs were necessary and legitimate. One thing that helped me was creating a simple timeline document with photos, receipts, and key dates all organized chronologically. It made filling out Form 4684 much easier and gave me confidence that I had everything properly documented. Since this is your first time filing, definitely consider using tax software that specifically handles casualty losses or working with a tax professional. The rules are complex enough that it's worth getting it right the first time.

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AstroAce

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Has anyone just printed out Form 4684 and done it manually? You can still e-file the rest of your return through TurboTax and just mail in the 4684 separately with a 1040-X later when it becomes available. That's what I did last year with a delayed schedule.

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Chloe Martin

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This doesn't work for Form 4684 unfortunately. Since it affects your AGI and potentially other calculations, you can't just add it later. The IRS would reject both returns. I tried something similar last year and it was a massive headache fixing it all.

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I'm dealing with this exact same Form 4684 issue right now! Based on all the suggestions here, it sounds like there are several viable paths forward. For those considering the professional software route that Freya mentioned - I actually called Drake Software yesterday and they confirmed Form 4684 is fully available in their system. The rep said they prioritize getting all forms ready by mid-January since tax professionals can't afford to wait. One thing I'm curious about - has anyone tried contacting TurboTax directly to see if they'll extend your subscription to next year as compensation for this delay? Seems like they should offer something for the inconvenience, especially for long-time customers like the original poster. Also wanted to mention that if you do decide to switch software mid-stream, make sure to keep detailed records of what you've already entered. Even if the new software can't import your TurboTax file, having everything organized will make the re-entry process much faster.

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Kelsey Chin

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That's a great point about contacting TurboTax for compensation! As a newcomer here, I'm dealing with this same Form 4684 delay and honestly hadn't even thought about asking for something in return for the inconvenience. I've been using TurboTax for about 5 years now and this is the first time I've hit such a major roadblock. It's frustrating because I specifically chose to pay for their premium service to avoid these kinds of issues. The Drake Software option sounds promising - do you know if they have any kind of customer support for people who aren't tax professionals? I'm worried about getting in over my head with professional-level software, but waiting until late February really isn't ideal for my situation either. Thanks for the tip about keeping detailed records if switching software. That's definitely something I'll do regardless of which route I choose!

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This is such a common surprise for people! I work as a tax preparer and see this confusion every single year. Banks are actually required by law to issue 1099-INT forms for any "interest" payments over $10, and the IRS defines promotional bonuses as interest income even though it feels weird to call it that. A few tips for next time: 1) When you see bank bonus offers, mentally add about 22-37% to your tax bill depending on your bracket, 2) Consider setting aside the tax money right when you get the bonus so it doesn't feel like a surprise bill later, and 3) Keep records of which banks you've gotten bonuses from since some have restrictions on how often you can get their promotions. The good news is $375 probably won't bump you into a higher tax bracket by itself, so you're just looking at your marginal rate on that amount. Still annoying when you weren't expecting it though!

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Kayla Morgan

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! That 22-37% tip is really helpful - I wish I had known that when I first got my bonus. Quick question though - you mentioned keeping records of which banks you've gotten bonuses from because of restrictions. Do banks actually share this information with each other, or is it more about their own internal tracking of repeat customers?

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Jamal Carter

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This caught me off guard too when I got my first bank bonus! One thing that helped me understand it better is thinking about it from the IRS perspective - they basically treat any money a bank gives you (that isn't a return of your own deposits) as taxable income, regardless of what the bank calls it. A couple of practical tips that might help: First, when you're doing your taxes, you'll report this on Line 2b of Form 1040 if it's your only interest income, or on Schedule B if you have more than $1,500 total interest income for the year. Second, if you're worried about the tax impact, you can always make an estimated tax payment now to avoid any surprises when you file. Also, keep that 1099-INT form safe! The IRS gets a copy too, so they'll definitely notice if you don't report it. I learned that lesson the hard way when I almost forgot about a smaller bonus from a credit union.

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LongPeri

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the estimated tax payment option you mentioned - is there a minimum amount where it makes sense to do that? Like would it be worth making an estimated payment for just the $375 bonus, or is that more for people with larger unexpected income? I'm trying to figure out if I should just wait until I file my return or be proactive about it.

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Ava Martinez

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17 Has anyone used TurboTax to file their 1099-NEC? I'm trying to figure out which software handles independent contractor income the best without making me feel like I need a business degree to file my taxes.

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Ava Martinez

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21 I used TurboTax Self-Employed last year for my 1099-NEC income. It was pretty good at walking through all the Schedule C stuff and finding deductions. H&R Block's self-employed version is also decent and sometimes cheaper.

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One thing to keep in mind about the 1099-NEC classification - make sure you're setting aside money for taxes throughout the year if you continue this type of work. Since no taxes are withheld, you'll likely need to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. The general rule is to set aside about 25-30% of your 1099 income for taxes (this covers both income tax and self-employment tax). You can make these payments online through the IRS website or mail them in. The due dates are usually mid-April, mid-June, mid-September, and mid-January. Also, don't forget that as a contractor, you're paying both the employee and employer portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes (the 15.3% self-employment tax), but you can deduct half of that on your tax return. It's one of those things that seems unfair at first, but the deduction helps offset some of the burden. Keep good records of all your work-related expenses throughout the year - it'll make tax time much easier!

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This is really helpful advice! I wish someone had told me about the quarterly payments before I got hit with that big tax bill. One question though - how do you calculate what to pay quarterly if your income varies month to month? My hours with the travel agency aren't always consistent, so some months I make more than others.

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Lim Wong

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I went through this exact same situation with our family plumbing business partnership last year. We got hit with a $3,400 penalty for late 1065 filing due to similar circumstances (our CPA had health issues and we had some missing K-1s from a subcontractor). Here's what worked for us: we ended up going with the reasonable cause route since we had good documentation. The key things that helped our case were: 1. A letter from our CPA explaining his unavailability during the critical filing period 2. Email chains showing we were actively trying to get our documents together before the deadline 3. Records showing we filed an extension request (even though we missed the original deadline) We sent everything by certified mail to the address on our penalty notice, and it took about 8 weeks to get a response. They approved our reasonable cause request and removed the entire penalty. One thing I'd add to what others have said - if you're a small partnership like us, make sure to emphasize in your letter that you typically handle your tax obligations responsibly. The IRS seems to look more favorably on small businesses that can show they're not habitually non-compliant. Good luck! These penalties are brutal for small businesses, but there's definitely hope for getting them removed with the right approach.

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Natalie Adams

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This is super helpful! I'm curious about the extension request you mentioned - did you file the extension after the original deadline had already passed, or did you file it on time but then miss the extended deadline? I'm wondering if filing a late extension request still helps show good faith effort even if it doesn't actually extend the deadline at that point.

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Luca Greco

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I've been dealing with IRS penalty issues for our small accounting firm partnership, and I wanted to share what I learned about the documentation requirements since that seems to be a common question here. For reasonable cause requests, the IRS really wants to see a clear timeline that shows you made good faith efforts to comply but couldn't due to circumstances beyond your control. In your case with the accountant's family emergency and office flooding, here's what I'd recommend including: 1. **Accountant documentation**: A brief letter from your accountant stating the nature of the emergency, dates they were unavailable, and when they notified you they couldn't complete the return 2. **Flooding documentation**: Insurance claims, photos of damaged records, repair estimates - anything showing the scope and timing of the damage 3. **Communication records**: Emails or texts showing you were actively trying to gather documents and complete the filing before the deadline 4. **Timeline of events**: A clear chronological explanation of what happened when, and what steps you took to try to file on time The key is showing that despite these events, you were still trying to meet your obligations. The IRS distinguishes between taxpayers who ignore their responsibilities and those who face genuine obstacles while still making good faith efforts. One more tip: if this is truly your first penalty for late filing, definitely consider the first-time abatement route first - it's much simpler and doesn't require proving your specific circumstances were reasonable cause.

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Aisha Ali

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This is incredibly thorough advice! I'm just starting to navigate this whole penalty abatement process for our small construction business and feeling pretty overwhelmed. Your breakdown of the documentation requirements is exactly what I needed to see. Quick question - when you mention creating a "timeline of events," did you include that as a separate document or just incorporate it into your main reasonable cause letter? I'm trying to figure out the best way to organize everything so it's clear and easy for the IRS to follow. Also, regarding your point about considering first-time abatement first - is there any downside to trying that route first and then falling back to reasonable cause if it doesn't work, or should you pick one approach and stick with it?

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