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I've been with Wells Fargo for about 3 years now and can confirm they're pretty strict about waiting until the exact date. Unlike some of the smaller banks and credit unions that release early, Wells Fargo processes these right on schedule. Your June 12th date should be solid - I'd expect it to hit your account sometime during business hours that day. The one thing I've noticed is that if June 12th falls on a weekend, they usually process it on the Friday before, but since you're looking at a weekday you should be good. Just don't refresh your app at midnight expecting it to be there immediately - these usually post during normal banking hours.
Good to know about the weekend processing! That's actually really helpful info. I was wondering what would happen if it fell on a Saturday or Sunday. Since June 12th is a Thursday this year, sounds like I should see it during regular business hours that day. Thanks for the detailed breakdown - makes me feel much better about the timing expectations with Wells Fargo.
Based on my experience with Wells Fargo, they're pretty conservative with deposit timing - they'll release your refund exactly on June 12th as shown on your transcript, not earlier. I switched to Wells Fargo two years ago from a local credit union that always gave me deposits 1-2 days early, so I totally understand the adjustment! The good news is that Wells Fargo is very reliable - if your transcript says June 12th, you can count on getting it that day (usually sometime during business hours). Just manage your expectations and don't expect the early release you were used to with your credit union. For future refunds, you might want to consider keeping a secondary account with an online bank like Chime or SoFi if early access to funds is important to you - many people do this specifically for the early deposit feature while keeping their primary banking with traditional banks.
This is super helpful! I'm actually in the exact same boat - switched from a credit union that always released early to Wells Fargo and wasn't sure what to expect. The dual banking strategy sounds really smart for getting the best of both worlds. Do you have any recommendations for which online banks are most reliable for early deposits? I'm thinking about setting one up specifically for tax refunds and maybe direct deposit from work too.
Don't overlook your bank! Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo all offer payroll services for small businesses that are surprisingly affordable if you're already a business customer. Worth checking what yours offers.
I tried my bank's payroll service (won't name which one) and found it MUCH more expensive than standalone options. They charged me $75/month plus $8 per check for basically the same service as Square or Gusto.
Just wanted to add another perspective here - we went with Gusto Simple for our 2-person setup and it's been solid. Yes, it's a bit more than some options at $40/month + $6 per employee, but the peace of mind is worth it. What really sold me was their customer support. When we had questions about setting up our S-Corp payroll correctly (since we're owners paying ourselves), they actually helped walk us through the reasonable compensation requirements and made sure we were structured properly from day one. The automatic tax filing has been flawless for over a year now, and the year-end W-2 generation was seamless. Sometimes paying a little extra upfront saves you from much bigger headaches down the road with compliance issues.
22 Has anyone used TurboTax to report their portion of losses from a JTWROS account? Is there a specific section for this? I'm in a similar situation with a joint account with my sister, and we had about $5,800 in losses last year.
2 I used TurboTax last year for this. When you get to the investment income section, you'll need to manually enter your portion of the capital losses rather than importing the 1099-B directly (since it's not in your name). There's an option for "I'll enter my investment income manually" or something similar. Then you check the box that says the transaction wasn't reported to you on a 1099. It'll walk you through entering the details.
I went through this exact situation two years ago with my business partners. We had a JTWROS account that generated about $4,500 in capital losses, and I was completely confused about how to handle it on our tax returns. What I learned is that you absolutely can split the losses proportionally among the actual owners, but documentation is key. Since Jake's SSN is on the 1099-B, he'll need to report the full $7,000 initially on his Schedule D. However, each of you should also report your $2,333 portion on your individual returns. The critical part is including a statement with each return explaining the joint ownership arrangement. I used language like: "This capital loss represents my 1/3 ownership share of losses from jointly-owned brokerage account [account number], with total losses of $7,000 reported under SSN [Jake's SSN]." Make sure you all keep records of your equal contributions to the account - bank statements, transfer records, etc. The IRS wants to see that your claimed ownership percentages match reality. Also, consider drafting a simple written agreement between the three of you documenting the equal ownership split, even if it's after the fact. One tip: file your returns around the same time so if the IRS has questions, they can easily see all three related returns and how the total adds up correctly.
This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with four people instead of three. One question - when you say "file your returns around the same time," do you mean literally on the same day? Or just within the same week or two? I'm worried about timing issues if one person files significantly later than the others. Also, did you ever get any follow-up questions from the IRS about your joint ownership arrangement, or did they accept the documentation without any issues?
One strategic tax planning tip related to capital losses: if you anticipate having substantial capital gains in the near future, you might want to consider NOT claiming the full $3,000 deduction against ordinary income in some years. While this sounds counterintuitive, if you're in a relatively low tax bracket now but expect to be in a much higher bracket when you realize those future gains, it might be more tax-efficient to preserve more of your carried-over losses to offset those future gains. For example, if you're currently in the 12% bracket but expect to have gains that would be taxed at 20% plus the 3.8% NIIT in the future, saving those losses could give you a better overall tax benefit.
That's a really interesting point I hadn't considered. In my case, I'm expecting my income to increase significantly next year (hopefully getting a promotion), which would bump me up a tax bracket. So it might actually be better for me to save more of my carried losses for next year rather than using the full $3k against income this year?
Exactly! If you're expecting to move up a tax bracket next year, it could be more advantageous to preserve those losses for the future. For example, if you're currently in the 22% bracket but will be in the 24% bracket next year, each dollar of loss would offset 24 cents in tax next year versus only 22 cents this year. This becomes even more significant if your future capital gains would push you into the higher capital gains rates or make you subject to the 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax. Strategic timing of when you use your losses can make a meaningful difference in your overall tax burden across multiple years.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a very similar situation - had about $22k in crypto losses from 2020-2021 and I'm finally seeing some recovery in my portfolio this year. One thing I want to emphasize for anyone reading this: definitely keep meticulous records of everything. I learned this lesson when I tried to reconstruct my loss carryover amounts last year and had to dig through old exchange records, some of which were from platforms that no longer existed! Also, a practical tip - if you're using tax software, double-check that it's correctly carrying forward your losses year to year. I caught an error in TurboTax where it somehow "lost" about $3k of my carryover between 2022 and 2023. Had to manually correct it. The peace of mind knowing these losses can eventually offset future gains makes the whole painful experience a bit more bearable. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - really valuable information here!
Great point about the record keeping! I'm just starting to get organized with my tax documents after years of just throwing everything in a shoebox. Do you have any recommendations for what specific records to keep for capital losses? I know I need the original purchase/sale documents, but what about things like exchange fees, transfer records, etc.? Also, that's scary about TurboTax losing part of your carryover - I've been using the same software for years and just assumed it was tracking everything correctly. Definitely going to double-check my numbers now!
Brandon Parker
One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you form a foreign corporation or LLC to hold the property (which some countries require for foreigners), you might get hit with GILTI tax or Subpart F income rules. This can dramatically change your tax situation. I own property in Thailand through a Thai company (required by their law) and now have to file Form 5471 every year plus deal with complex controlled foreign corporation rules. Sometimes the simplest ownership structure is best from a US tax perspective. Also watch out for foreign gift tax if someone overseas is helping you buy the property!
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Ethan Campbell
Great question about foreign property deductions! I actually went through something similar when I bought a rental property in Ireland a few years back. One key thing I learned that wasn't mentioned yet - make sure you understand Portugal's tax obligations for foreign property owners too. Portugal has its own property taxes and rental income reporting requirements that you'll need to comply with regardless of US tax implications. For the US side, the rental vs. personal use calculation is crucial like others mentioned. I found it helpful to keep detailed records from day one - not just financial records but also a calendar tracking personal use days vs. rental days. The IRS can be very particular about this if you ever get audited. Also, don't underestimate the complexity of depreciation on foreign property. The rules can be different from US property, especially regarding land vs. building value allocation in foreign countries. Portugal may assess these differently than what you can use for US tax purposes. One last tip - consider the exit strategy too. When you eventually sell, you'll likely owe capital gains taxes in both countries, though the foreign tax credit should help avoid double taxation. Portugal's capital gains rules might be more favorable than US rules depending on how long you hold the property. Would definitely recommend getting professional help for the first year's filing to make sure you set up all the reporting correctly from the start!
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Natalie Chen
β’This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about Portugal's own tax obligations! I hadn't really thought deeply about having to comply with two different tax systems simultaneously. The depreciation complexity you mentioned is particularly concerning - I'm pretty good with numbers but international tax law seems like a whole different beast. Do you happen to know if Portugal allows foreign owners to depreciate properties the same way, or do they have completely different rules? Also, when you mention exit strategy and capital gains in both countries - does the timing of the sale matter? Like if I hold it for over a year to get long-term capital gains treatment in the US, does Portugal have similar holding period rules? I'm definitely leaning toward getting professional help from the start now. Better to spend money upfront than deal with penalties and amendments later!
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