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CosmosCaptain

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Has anyone used the IRS Fresh Start program directly? My understanding is that a lot of these relief companies are just charging you to access programs the IRS already offers for free. I've been looking at their payment plans and Offer in Compromise options on the IRS website.

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I used the Fresh Start program directly last year. It's definitely legit and you don't need to pay a company to access it. I set up an installment agreement online for about $22k in back taxes. The online application was pretty straightforward - took maybe 30 minutes. My monthly payment is reasonable based on my income.

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CosmosCaptain

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to know. Did you have to provide a lot of financial documentation for the installment plan? I'm trying to figure out what I need to gather before I start the process.

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Kaiya Rivera

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I went through a similar situation with business tax debt a couple years ago - about $19k from a consulting business that went under. After researching all the options mentioned here, I ended up going the direct route with the IRS Fresh Start program and it was honestly way simpler than I expected. The key thing I learned is that most of these tax relief companies are essentially middlemen charging thousands to do paperwork you can handle yourself or with a local CPA. I filled out Form 9465 for an installment agreement online and had approval within a week. My monthly payment was based on what I could actually afford, not some arbitrary amount. Before you pay anyone thousands upfront, I'd recommend calling the IRS directly (yes, it's frustrating but persistence pays off) or using one of those callback services mentioned here if you can't get through. At least then you'll know exactly what options you qualify for before deciding if you need professional help. The IRS website has calculators and tools that can give you a realistic idea of whether you'd qualify for an Offer in Compromise or what your installment payments might look like. Save yourself the money and stress of dealing with sales-heavy relief companies unless you have a really complex situation that truly needs professional representation.

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Andre Dupont

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was hoping to hear! Thank you for sharing the details about your process. It's really encouraging to know that someone in a similar situation (failed business, similar debt amount) was able to work it out directly with the IRS. I'm definitely feeling more confident about trying the direct route first before paying thousands to a company. The Form 9465 you mentioned - was that pretty straightforward to fill out? And when you say the monthly payment was based on what you could afford, did they ask for detailed financial information or was it more of a simple income/expense calculation? I think I'll start with the IRS website tools you mentioned and maybe try one of those callback services if I can't get through on the phone. Worst case, I can always go to a local CPA later if I run into complications. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience - it's exactly what I needed to hear!

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Grant Vikers

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Don't forget that the support test is just one of the tests for claiming a dependent. Since your son will be graduating in May, make sure he also meets the age test for a qualifying child. Full-time students under 24 at the end of the calendar year qualify. Also, if he earns more than $4,800 (the 2024 threshold - likely to increase slightly for 2025), he'll also need to meet the gross income test to be claimed as a qualifying relative if he somehow fails the qualifying child tests. If he lives with you at any point after graduation, make sure to count the fair rental value of lodging you provide as part of your support calculation. Many parents forget to include this value when determining support percentages.

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The gross income test doesn't apply to qualifying children, only to qualifying relatives. As long as the son is under 24 and a full-time student for some part of 5 months of the year (which he will be), he can earn any amount and still be claimed as a qualifying child dependent as long as he meets the other tests.

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Ruby Blake

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of keeping detailed records throughout 2025. Since you're planning to pay rent directly to the landlord for both the first 5 months and potentially the last 7 months, make sure to keep copies of all rent checks or electronic payment confirmations. Also consider creating a simple spreadsheet to track all support you provide throughout the year - rent, groceries, tuition (via 529), and any other expenses you cover. This will make calculating the support test much easier when tax time comes around. Since your son's post-graduation income is uncertain, having this documentation will be crucial if you end up in a borderline situation where you need to prove you provided more than 50% of his total support. The direct rent payments are definitely in your favor, but good record-keeping will make everything much smoother. One final tip: if your son does get a high-paying job after graduation, consider whether it makes more sense for him to file his own return and claim himself, especially if he might qualify for education credits or other benefits that could outweigh your dependent exemption.

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Omar Hassan

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I feel for you - this exact situation happened to me last year and the stress was unreal. Here's what I wish someone had told me at the time: First, breathe. Your certified mail receipt is rock-solid proof of timely filing under IRC Section 7502. The IRS recognizes this and you're protected from late filing penalties regardless of when they actually receive your return. For that $4,800 payment, make an electronic payment through IRS Direct Pay TODAY. Don't wait. Interest accrues daily on unpaid taxes, and while you're protected from late filing penalties, you're not protected from interest charges on the balance due. You can sort out the check situation later. Here's my recommended action plan: 1. Make electronic payment immediately 2. Call IRS at 1-800-829-1040 to document the situation on your account 3. Give USPS exactly one more week, then file electronically as backup 4. When e-filing, include a brief statement: "This is a duplicate filing due to original return lost by USPS. Certified mail receipt #[your number] shows original mailed [date]." Also try calling your specific local post office with the tracking number - they often have better visibility than the national system. In my case, USPS never found my return, but filing the electronic duplicate worked perfectly and the IRS processed it without issues. The whole nightmare resolved itself once I stopped waiting for USPS and took control of the situation. You've got this! That certified mail receipt means you did everything right.

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Steven Adams

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This is excellent step-by-step advice! I'm curious about one thing though - when you made the electronic payment while the original check was still potentially in transit, how did you handle the potential double payment situation? Did you put a stop payment on the check first, or just let it play out and deal with any overpayment refund later? I'm in a similar boat right now and trying to figure out the best approach to avoid creating more headaches for myself down the road. The daily interest accrual point really hits home - I hadn't thought about how that adds up while waiting for USPS to get their act together. Thanks for sharing such detailed guidance based on your experience!

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Paolo Conti

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I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation right now! USPS has had my tax return "in transit" for over 4 weeks and I'm getting desperate. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - especially learning about the "timely mailing is timely filing" rule. I had no idea that certified mail receipt was such strong protection. The advice about making an electronic payment immediately to stop interest from accruing is something I definitely need to do. I've been so focused on waiting for USPS to find my return that I didn't think about the daily interest adding up on my balance due. One thing I'm wondering - for those who have filed electronically as a backup, did the IRS ever give you any trouble about the duplicate filing? I'm worried about triggering some kind of red flag in their system by having two returns for the same year, even with an explanation letter. Also, has anyone had success with filing a congressional inquiry? My representative's office handles constituent services for federal agency issues, and I'm wondering if that might light a fire under USPS to actually find these lost returns. Thanks to everyone sharing their experiences here - it's really helping me feel less alone in this mess!

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Deshaun Smith

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Maybe they need more information from you .

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Ava Thompson

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That's a good point, Deshaun. An 810 code typically indicates a credit or refund adjustment, so if it disappeared from the transcript, it could mean the IRS is reviewing the case or needs additional documentation to process it. @DeshaunnDa Great, you might want to check if you received any notices in the mail or consider calling the IRS directly to clarify the status of your account.

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Do I need to file Form 5471 when closing a dormant foreign corporation as a US expat?

I'm a US expat living abroad who's been caught in a disagreement between two accountants about IRS filing requirements. While living in Thailand, I owned a dormant foreign corporation that did zero business for several years. My previous accountant always included Form 5471 following Rev Proc 97-20 (the simplified version) with my annual returns. In July 2023, I permanently closed this dormant corporation, following all Thai legal requirements to dissolve the business. Shortly after, I relocated to Vietnam (still living outside the US). When filing my 2023 taxes, my accountant told me I didn't need to include Form 5471 since the corporation had been closed before year-end. I've recently consulted a new tax preparer who says this was incorrect. They're insisting I should file a "streamlined" amendment to my 2023 return to include Form 5471 for the final year - and naturally, they want to charge me an additional $750 for this service. So my questions are: 1) Was my original accountant wrong? Do I actually need to file Form 5471 for the tax year when I closed the dormant corporation? 2) If I do need to file it, would it still be the simplified version under Rev Proc 97-20 (just page 1), or is there some special "final" version required when a foreign corporation is closed? I don't want to pay for unnecessary work, but I also want to stay compliant with my US filing obligations. Thanks for any insights!

Paolo Conti

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Based on all the great advice shared here, I wanted to provide an update and hopefully help others in similar situations. After reading through everyone's experiences, I decided to shop around for quotes as suggested. I contacted three different international tax specialists and got quotes ranging from $225 to $350 for a straightforward amended return with Form 5471 (simplified version) plus Schedule O. None of them recommended the expensive "streamlined" procedure - they all confirmed that's typically for cases involving unreported foreign income, which doesn't apply to my dormant corporation situation. I ended up going with a specialist who charged $275 and had extensive experience with foreign corporation dissolutions. They prepared the amendment using the Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures, included Schedule O showing the dissolution date and no asset distribution, and attached a brief explanation letter along with certified English translations of my Thai dissolution documents. The whole process was much more straightforward than my original accountant made it seem. The specialist confirmed that since the corporation was truly dormant with no assets or activity, this should be processed routinely by the IRS without complications. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - it saved me from overpaying by nearly $500! For anyone else in this situation, definitely get multiple quotes and question whether you really need expensive streamlined procedures for a dormant entity.

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Mei Zhang

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This is such a helpful update! It's great that you took the time to shop around and found a much more reasonable solution. Your experience really validates what several others mentioned about many preparers automatically pushing expensive streamlined procedures when they're often unnecessary for dormant entities. The $275 you paid sounds very fair for what should be a straightforward amendment, especially including the certified translations of the Thai documents. It's also reassuring to hear that the specialist you chose has specific experience with foreign corporation dissolutions - that expertise probably made the whole process much smoother. Thanks for taking the time to share your final outcome. This kind of real-world follow-up is incredibly valuable for others who might find themselves in similar situations. It shows that with a little research and the right preparation, what initially seems like a complex and expensive problem can actually be resolved quite reasonably.

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Esteban Tate

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This is such a valuable thread for anyone dealing with foreign corporation dissolutions! I'm currently in a similar situation with a dormant Australian corporation that I need to close this year, and reading through everyone's experiences has been incredibly helpful. A few key takeaways I'm noting for my own situation: 1. Form 5471 is definitely required for the final year, even for dormant entities 2. The simplified Rev Proc 97-20 procedures can still be used, just need to add Schedule O for dissolution reporting 3. Shop around for quotes - the $750 "streamlined" fee seems to be a common upselling tactic when a simple amendment is sufficient 4. Keep thorough documentation of the dissolution process and get certified translations for foreign-language documents One question I have for the group - has anyone dealt with dissolution reporting when the foreign corporation had multiple years of dormancy before closing? My Australian company has been completely inactive for about 4 years before I'm dissolving it this year. I'm wondering if this longer dormancy period affects the Form 5471 requirements or if it's still just the standard final year filing with Schedule O. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences, especially Paolo for the detailed update on his successful resolution!

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Lauren Zeb

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Great question about multiple years of dormancy before dissolution! From what I've seen in similar cases, the length of the dormancy period doesn't change the basic requirement - you still just need to file Form 5471 for the final year when the corporation is actually dissolved. However, there's an important caveat: you need to make sure you were properly filing Form 5471 in all those dormant years leading up to dissolution. If you've been using the Rev Proc 97-20 simplified procedures consistently throughout the dormancy period, then you should be fine with just the final year filing plus Schedule O. But if there were any years during that 4-year dormancy where you didn't file Form 5471 at all (thinking it wasn't required because the corp was inactive), then you might have additional compliance issues to address beyond just the dissolution year. The good news is that for truly dormant entities with no income or activity, the simplified filing procedures make this relatively straightforward even for multiple years. I'd recommend confirming with your tax preparer that all the dormancy years were properly reported before focusing solely on the dissolution filing. Your takeaways from this thread are spot-on - definitely shop around for quotes and avoid unnecessary streamlined procedures for a straightforward dormant entity dissolution!

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