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Since nobody mentioned this yet - you should seriously consider whether your LLC is being treated as a corporation or disregarded entity for US tax purposes. If you never filed Form 8832 to elect corporate treatment, a single-member foreign-owned LLC is by default treated as a disregarded entity. This distinction matters because filing requirements are different. A disregarded entity owned by a foreign person still needs to file Form 5472, but attached to a pro forma Form 1120 (not a full tax return). Understanding this might help you file the correct forms now.
Can confirm this is important. I made the mistake of filing a full 1120 for my disregarded entity LLC when all I needed was the pro forma version with the 5472. Ended up having to amend everything which was a huge pain.
I went through almost the exact same situation with my Delaware LLC that I abandoned after formation. The stress and panic you're feeling is completely understandable, but there is hope! Here's what I learned from my experience: Yes, you do need to file Form 5472 and a pro forma Form 1120 for each year, even with zero activity. The key is acting quickly now and putting together a strong reasonable cause statement. For your reasonable cause letter, emphasize these points: 1) You're a non-US resident who was genuinely unaware of the filing requirements, 2) The LLC had absolutely no business activity or transactions, 3) You're coming forward voluntarily to correct the situation, and 4) This was an honest mistake, not willful non-compliance. I filed my delinquent returns with detailed reasonable cause statements and requested penalty abatement. While I can't guarantee your outcome will be the same, the IRS did accept my reasonable cause and waived most of the penalties. The fact that your LLC truly had no activity works strongly in your favor. Don't let the $25,000 penalty amount scare you into paralysis - that's the maximum statutory penalty, but the IRS has discretion to reduce or waive penalties when there's reasonable cause. Get those returns filed ASAP with solid documentation of your circumstances.
This is incredibly reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through this exact situation! I'm curious - how long did the whole process take from when you filed the delinquent returns until you heard back from the IRS about the penalty abatement? And did you use a tax professional to help prepare the reasonable cause statements, or were you able to handle it yourself? I'm trying to decide if I should invest in professional help or if this is something I can tackle on my own given the circumstances.
One thing nobody has mentioned yet - be careful about timing your distributions around tax time. I made the mistake of taking a large distribution in early January after a profitable December, but my accountant pointed out it would have been much better to take it in December of the previous tax year because of how it affected my basis calculations. Definitely talk to your CPA about the timing of larger distributions. The actual transfer is simple, but the tax implications can get complex depending on your specific situation and the profitability of your S corp in a given year.
This is such a good point! I did something similar and it messed up my tax planning. Is there any rule of thumb you follow now for year-end distributions?
I now follow what my accountant calls the "December check-in." Around mid-December, we look at the company's profitability for the year, my current basis, and my personal tax situation. Then we make a strategic decision about whether to take additional distributions before year-end. The general rule of thumb I follow is to avoid taking distributions in January unless absolutely necessary for cash flow reasons. Most tax advantages tend to favor taking them in December of the previous year, especially if your business was profitable that year. But every situation is different, which is why that year-end planning session with your accountant is so valuable.
Just want to add my perspective as someone who's been through this learning curve! You're absolutely right that the actual distribution is just a simple bank transfer, but I'd emphasize getting your documentation system set up right from the start. I use a simple Google Sheet to track all my distributions with columns for date, amount, running total, and notes about what triggered the distribution (quarterly profit-sharing, year-end bonus to myself, etc.). This makes it super easy to provide a clean summary to my accountant at tax time. One mistake I made early on was not coordinating with my accountant about distribution timing. Now I send a quick email before any distribution over $10K just to make sure there aren't any tax implications I'm missing. Takes 5 minutes and has saved me headaches. The fact that you're asking these questions upfront shows you're being smart about it. The mechanics are simple, but the tax planning around distributions can get nuanced, especially as your business grows.
This is really helpful advice! I'm just getting started with my S corp and hadn't thought about coordinating with my accountant for larger distributions. What made you choose $10K as your threshold for checking in? Is that based on any specific tax rule or just a personal comfort level? I like the Google Sheet idea too - seems much more organized than what I was planning to do. Do you also track your salary payments in the same sheet or keep distributions separate?
Has anyone used a third-party service to help with the ERO application? I'm in a similar boat and wondering if it's worth hiring someone or if I should just apply directly.
I used a tax attorney who specializes in IRS representation to help with my application because I had a more complicated situation (bankruptcy from 3 years ago). Cost me about $1500 but they handled everything and my application was approved without issues.
I actually went through this exact situation about 2 years ago with a DUI from 6 years prior. I was terrified that it would prevent me from getting ERO status, but it turned out to be much less of an issue than I expected. The key things that helped me were: 1) Being completely honest on Form 8633 - I disclosed everything upfront, 2) Including a brief letter explaining the circumstances and what I learned from the experience, and 3) Emphasizing my clean record and professional conduct since then. My application was approved without any follow-up questions. The IRS seems much more concerned with recent issues or patterns of behavior rather than isolated incidents from several years ago. Your 9 years of experience as a tax preparer with an active PTIN actually works strongly in your favor - it shows you've been trusted with tax preparation responsibilities and maintained good standing. Don't let the DUI stop you from pursuing your business goals. Just be honest, provide complete information, and let your professional track record speak for itself.
Has anyone here actually LOST money despite using a relocation company for their home sale? I'm concerned because my house value has dropped about 5% since I bought it 2 years ago. Will the relocation company offer me fair market value or am I going to take a bath on this?
Most relocation companies base their offer on professional appraisals - they'll usually get 2-3 independent appraisals and offer the average or sometimes even the highest valuation. In my experience, they were actually pretty fair. If your house is underwater though, check if your relocation package includes "loss on sale" protection - some companies will cover the difference if you're selling at a loss due to relocation.
Great question! I went through a similar relocation buyout program about 18 months ago and it was actually quite beneficial tax-wise. One key thing to understand is that the relocation company purchase often allows you to avoid the typical selling costs (realtor commissions, staging, repairs, etc.) that would normally reduce your net proceeds from a sale. The tax treatment depends on how your employer structures the program. In many cases, the relocation company will purchase your home at fair market value (based on professional appraisals), and any difference between what you paid and what they pay you is still subject to the normal capital gains rules. However, the additional benefits they provide - like covering closing costs, temporary housing, moving expenses - may be treated as non-taxable relocation benefits up to certain limits. Make sure to ask your HR department for documentation on exactly how each component will be reported on your W-2. Some portions might be taxable compensation while others qualify as tax-free moving expense reimbursements. The key is getting clarity upfront so you can plan accordingly!
This is really helpful, thanks for sharing your experience! I'm curious about the appraisal process - did you have any input on which appraisers they used, or was it completely handled by the relocation company? Also, when you mention "fair market value," did they give you the option to get your own independent appraisal if you disagreed with their valuation? I want to make sure I'm not leaving money on the table if I go this route.
Romeo Quest
I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation! Foreign-owned Wyoming LLC, missed the 2022 Form 5472 filing because I had no idea about the registered agent fee being reportable. After reading through all these responses, I'm definitely going with Option 2 - filing both years. The consensus seems pretty clear that ignoring 2022 is way too risky given the $25,000 penalty. What's really helpful from this thread is understanding that I need to document WHEN I discovered the requirement and show I acted quickly once I learned about it. I'm going to start gathering all my emails and research from when I first found out about Form 5472 to include with my reasonable cause statement. Quick question for those who've been through this - how detailed should the reasonable cause letter be? Should I include the specific date I learned about the requirement, or just a general timeline? And do I need to attach any supporting documentation beyond the letter itself? Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences. This thread has been way more helpful than the generic advice I was getting from other sources!
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Finley Garrett
β’For the reasonable cause letter, be as specific as possible with dates and documentation. I'd recommend including the exact date you discovered the requirement (with supporting evidence like emails or dated research), when you consulted professionals about it, and the timeline of your corrective actions. Attach any supporting docs you have - emails with accountants, dated internet research, communication with the registered agent, etc. The more you can prove you acted in good faith and moved quickly once aware, the stronger your case. One tip: if you consulted multiple sources and got conflicting advice (like you mentioned in your original post), document that too. It shows you were trying to do the right thing but got confused by inconsistent guidance. The IRS appreciates seeing genuine effort to comply rather than willful neglect. Also keep copies of everything you send them - certified mail receipt, all forms, supporting docs. You'll want a complete paper trail if they have any follow-up questions.
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Javier Cruz
I've been through this exact scenario with my foreign-owned LLC and can confirm that filing both years is absolutely the right call. The $25,000 penalty per missed form is not something the IRS takes lightly, and enforcement has definitely ramped up in recent years. A few practical tips from my experience: 1. When preparing your reasonable cause statement, focus on the fact that you weren't aware of the requirement rather than trying to argue the registered agent fee shouldn't be reportable (it definitely is). 2. Include specific dates - when you formed the LLC, when you first learned about Form 5472, when you started taking corrective action. Documentation is key. 3. Consider having a tax professional review your forms before filing, especially for the 2022 late filing. The penalty is steep enough that it's worth the extra cost to get it right. 4. File the 2022 form as soon as possible. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes to argue reasonable cause. The good news is that many people have successfully avoided penalties with proper documentation and a well-crafted reasonable cause statement. Don't let anyone convince you to just ignore the missed year - that's playing with fire given the penalty amount.
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Emily Sanjay
β’This is exactly the kind of detailed advice I was hoping to find! As someone who's just discovering this requirement myself, I'm wondering - when you say "enforcement has ramped up in recent years," are you seeing this with other foreign-owned LLCs too? I'm curious about point #3 regarding having a tax professional review the forms. Did you end up using a CPA who specializes in international tax, or was a general tax preparer sufficient for the Form 5472? I'm trying to balance the cost of professional help against the massive penalty risk. Also, when you filed your 2022 form late, did you receive any immediate acknowledgment from the IRS, or did you just have to wait and see if they'd assess the penalty? I'm trying to understand what the timeline looks like after filing.
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