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Don't forget to check local requirements too! My teenager had to get a business license for his lawn business in our town even though he's under 18. It only cost $25 but we had no idea until a neighbor (who happens to work for the city) mentioned it to us. Some places don't require it for minors or under certain income levels, but worth checking your local rules.
Great question! I went through this exact situation with my daughter's tutoring business last year. Here are the key points that helped us: First, yes - since your son will likely exceed $400 in self-employment income, he'll need to file a tax return and pay self-employment taxes (about 15.3% for Social Security and Medicare). This applies even though he's a minor and your dependent. He'll use Schedule C to report his business income and expenses. Keep detailed records of everything - income from each customer and all business expenses. Even small things add up: gas for the mower, oil, replacement parts, business-related mileage when you drive him to customers, etc. The good news is that with proper expense tracking, his taxable income will be lower than his gross earnings. And since he's likely under the standard deduction threshold for regular income tax, he'll probably only owe the self-employment tax portion. One tip: have him set aside about 15-20% of his earnings in a separate account for taxes. This way you're not scrambling to pay when filing time comes. It's also great practice for him to learn about business finances! Don't stress too much - this is actually a wonderful learning opportunity for him about entrepreneurship and taxes. The IRS has good resources for small business owners, and there are plenty of tax prep services that handle simple Schedule C situations like this.
This is such helpful advice! I'm actually in a similar situation with my son's snow removal business here in Minnesota. The part about setting aside 15-20% for taxes is brilliant - I wish I had thought of that earlier in the season. We've been scrambling to figure out what he owes and it's definitely more manageable when you plan ahead. One question though - when you mention business-related mileage, does that include driving him to pick up supplies like salt and shovels? We've made quite a few trips to Home Depot for his business and I wasn't sure if those counted as deductible expenses.
As a newcomer to this community, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who contributed to this discussion! I'm in a very similar situation with my S-Corp and was completely lost about the fiscal year filing requirements. The consensus here is crystal clear - for a fiscal year that runs from July 1, 2022 to June 30, 2023, you use the 2022 Form 1120-S because that's when the fiscal year began. This makes so much more sense now that everyone has explained it. I'm definitely going to follow the advice about requesting Form 4506-T to verify my fiscal year election is properly on file with the IRS. It's such a smart step to take before filing to avoid any surprises or complications later. The mention of taxr.ai and Claimyr as resources is also really helpful - I've been struggling to get clear answers from my current accountant who's always swamped, so having alternative ways to get reliable guidance could be a game-changer. This thread really shows the value of this community - getting practical advice from people who've actually been through these situations is so much more helpful than trying to parse through dense IRS publications alone. Thanks again everyone!
Welcome to the community, Liam! I'm also relatively new here but have found this to be such a valuable resource for navigating these complex tax situations. Your summary is spot-on - the rule really is that straightforward once you understand it. I'm in a similar boat with my accountant being constantly overwhelmed, so I really appreciate everyone sharing these alternative resources. The taxr.ai option sounds particularly interesting since you can upload your actual documents for analysis rather than just getting generic advice. One thing I'm planning to do after reading this thread is also check if my state has any specific requirements for fiscal year S-Corps that might be different from the federal rules. Several people mentioned state-specific considerations, and I want to make sure I'm not missing anything important on that front. Thanks for helping to wrap up such a comprehensive discussion - this thread is going to be a great reference for anyone dealing with fiscal year S-Corp questions!
This has been such a comprehensive discussion! I'm a new S-Corp owner dealing with the same fiscal year confusion and this thread has been incredibly helpful. Just to make sure I understand correctly - if my S-Corp has a March 31, 2024 fiscal year end, I would use the 2023 Form 1120-S because my fiscal year began April 1, 2023, correct? And my filing deadline would be July 15, 2024 (3.5 months after March 31)? I'm definitely going to request Form 4506-T to verify my fiscal year election is properly documented with the IRS before filing. The advice about checking this upfront rather than discovering issues during an audit makes complete sense. One question I have that hasn't been addressed yet - how does estimated tax payment timing work with fiscal year S-Corps? Do the quarterly payment due dates shift based on your fiscal year, or do they stay aligned with the standard calendar dates? Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and resources. This community is invaluable for navigating these complex situations!
I'm in the exact same situation! Filed in early March, got my verification notice around the same time as you in April, and now it's been 7 weeks with no letter. The frustrating part is that "Where's My Refund" just keeps saying the same thing - "still being processed." I've tried calling the 800-830-5084 number twice but couldn't get through after waiting over an hour each time. Reading through everyone's experiences here, it seems like 8-10 weeks is unfortunately becoming the new normal for these letters. I'm definitely going to try the ID.me verification route that Dylan mentioned - seems like our best bet for getting this resolved without waiting indefinitely for a letter that might never show up. Really hoping we can get this sorted soon because I'm counting on that refund money too!
Wow, it's both reassuring and frustrating to see so many of us in the exact same boat! I'm also dealing with this - filed in March, got my verification notice in April, and now going on 7 weeks with no letter. At this point I'm convinced the IRS is just making up those "2-3 week" timeframes. I'm definitely going to try the ID.me option that Dylan suggested since it seems like our only chance of moving things forward. The thought of waiting another month or more for a letter that might get lost in the mail is just too stressful when you really need that money. Thanks for sharing your experience - at least we know we're not alone in this mess!
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this - the waiting is absolutely maddening when you need that money! Based on everyone's experiences here, it really seems like the IRS has completely fallen behind on their stated timeframes. Six weeks is way too long, but unfortunately you're not alone. I'd strongly recommend trying the ID.me verification route that Dylan mentioned - it could save you weeks of additional waiting. Also, if you do decide to call, try the early morning strategy that Isabella suggested (7am EST right when they open). One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet - you might also want to check if your local Taxpayer Assistance Center is open for in-person appointments. Sometimes they can help with identity verification issues on the spot. You can find locations on the IRS website. It's worth a shot if the online verification doesn't work out. Hang in there - based on what others have shared, once you do get through the verification process, the refund typically comes pretty quickly after that. The hardest part is just getting past this initial hurdle!
Great question! I went through this exact same situation when I was starting my freelance graphic design business. You absolutely CAN file a Schedule C even without income yet, but there are some important things to keep in mind. The key distinction is between "startup costs" and "business expenses." True startup costs (before your business is actually operational) can only be deducted once your business begins - up to $5,000 in the first year, with the remainder amortized over 15 years. However, if you're already actively conducting business activities (even without revenue), those can be current year deductions. Since you mentioned spending on equipment, software, and courses, document WHY each expense was necessary for your business and WHEN you plan to launch. The IRS looks for genuine intent to make a profit, not just tax benefits. Keep a business journal showing your planning activities, market research, and steps toward launch. One tip: consider whether waiting until you actually start generating income might be simpler for your first year. You could still claim those startup costs retroactively once you begin operations. But if you're confident in your business plan and timeline, filing now is totally legitimate - just be prepared to show you're serious about this as a business, not a hobby.
This is really helpful, thanks! I'm curious about the timeline aspect you mentioned - if I'm planning to launch in say 6 months, can I still deduct the expenses I'm making now for preparation? Or do I need to wait until the actual launch date to claim anything? I want to make sure I'm doing this right from the start since this is all new to me.
@fa2560a5ff8a brings up a great point about timing! Marcus, the expenses you're making now in preparation are typically considered "startup costs" until your business actually begins operations. The IRS generally considers a business to "begin" when you start offering goods/services to customers, not just when you're preparing. So those preparation expenses would need to wait until your launch date to be claimed. However, once you do launch (even if it's mid-year), you can elect to deduct up to $5,000 of those startup costs immediately on that year's return, with any remainder spread over 15 years. The good news is you don't lose the deductions - you just can't claim them until the business is actually active. Keep detailed records of everything you're spending now with dates and business purposes. When you do launch, you'll have a clear paper trail for all those legitimate startup expenses. One exception: if you're already actively marketing, networking, or taking concrete steps to acquire customers (beyond just preparation), some of those activities might qualify as current business expenses rather than startup costs. But it's a fine line that depends on your specific situation.
This is such a common question and I'm glad you asked! I was in almost the exact same boat two years ago when I was preparing to launch my online marketing consultancy. The short answer is yes, you can file a Schedule C with expenses but no income, BUT you need to be very strategic about it. Here's what I learned the hard way: First, make sure you can demonstrate "active business conduct" - not just planning. This means things like: registering your business name, getting an EIN, opening a business bank account, creating marketing materials, actively networking or seeking clients, etc. The IRS wants to see you're genuinely trying to start a business, not just buying stuff and hoping to write it off. Second, keep METICULOUS records. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking every expense with: date, amount, vendor, business purpose, and category. Take photos of receipts and store them digitally. If you get audited, this documentation will save you. Third, consider your long-term strategy. Filing losses in year one isn't a red flag, but multiple consecutive years of losses can trigger hobby loss rules. Make sure you have a realistic plan to generate income soon. The $2,800 you've spent sounds totally reasonable for legitimate startup costs. Equipment and software are classic business expenses, and education/training that directly relates to your planned business is generally deductible too. My advice? File the Schedule C if you're confident you'll launch within the next few months and can show active business preparation. The tax savings are worth it, and it establishes your business start date officially.
This is really solid advice! I'm curious about the EIN part you mentioned - is getting an EIN required before you can file a Schedule C, or just recommended? I've been putting off applying for one because I wasn't sure if I needed it before actually making money. Also, when you say "active business conduct," does setting up social media accounts and a basic website count, or does it need to be more substantial than that?
Hannah White
I went through something very similar when I transferred my Ethereum from Coinbase to Robinhood last year. The key thing to understand is that the IRS matching system will flag discrepancies between what's reported on 1099s and what you file, but that doesn't automatically mean trouble if you can justify the difference. What I did was create a detailed spreadsheet showing the chain of custody for my crypto - original purchase date, amount paid, transaction hashes for the transfer, and screenshots of both platforms showing the same crypto moving between them. When I filed my return, I used Form 8949 with code B and included a brief statement like "Basis corrected - original purchase documentation available upon request." The most important thing is being able to prove this was truly a transfer and not a sale/repurchase. Keep records showing the same wallet addresses, transaction IDs, and timing. If the amounts and dates line up clearly as a transfer, you're in good shape. I never got audited, but I was prepared with a paper trail that clearly showed no taxable event occurred.
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Micah Trail
ā¢This is incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar transfer situation and was worried about the documentation requirements. When you say "transaction hashes for the transfer" - where exactly do you find those? I transferred from my hardware wallet to Robinhood and I'm not sure if I saved that information. Also, did you have to provide all that documentation upfront with your tax filing, or just keep it in case of questions later?
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Liv Park
ā¢@c6c4ccd37dc1 For transaction hashes, you can usually find them in a few places: 1) If you used a hardware wallet like Ledger or Trezor, check the wallet software's transaction history - it should show the hash for outgoing transfers. 2) You can also look up your wallet address on a blockchain explorer like Etherscan (for Ethereum) or Blockchair and find the specific transaction there. 3) Some exchanges also provide transaction IDs in their withdrawal confirmations. You don't need to submit all the documentation with your tax return - just keep it organized in case the IRS asks for it later. I literally just filed Form 8949 with the corrected basis and a note that documentation was available upon request. The key is being able to quickly produce a clear paper trail if needed. Even if you don't have the exact transaction hash, bank statements showing the timing of your original purchase plus screenshots of your wallet balance before/after the transfer can help establish it was a legitimate transfer rather than a sale.
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Grace Thomas
I went through this exact same situation with a Bitcoin transfer from my Ledger wallet to Robinhood earlier this year. The "undetermined uncovered sale" with $0 basis is standard when the receiving platform doesn't have your purchase history - it's not an error, just incomplete information. Here's what worked for me: I filed Form 8949 with the correct $25k basis and used code "B" in column (f) to indicate I was adjusting the reported basis. In the description, I wrote something like "Basis adjustment - crypto transfer, original purchase documentation retained." The critical thing is making sure you can prove this was actually a transfer and not a sale/repurchase if questioned. I kept screenshots of both platforms showing the same Bitcoin amount, the blockchain transaction hash, and my original purchase records from when I bought the crypto. Don't worry about the IRS "thinking" you made $30k - they don't automatically assume anything. They just match what brokers report against what you file. As long as you report the correct information with proper documentation backing it up, you're doing exactly what you're supposed to do. The 1099 is just one piece of the puzzle, not the final word on your taxes.
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Asher Levin
ā¢This is really reassuring to hear from someone who's been through the exact same process! I'm curious - when you wrote "original purchase documentation retained" in the description, did you have to be more specific about what type of documentation you had? I have my original Coinbase purchase confirmations and bank statements, but I'm wondering if the IRS expects any particular format or level of detail in that description field on Form 8949. Also, did you end up getting any follow-up questions from the IRS, or did everything go through smoothly with just the corrected filing? I'm hoping this is more routine than it feels!
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