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Aaron Boston

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Just to add another point - remember that for EITC, your daughter needs to have lived with you for more than half the year. Time away at college counts as temporary absence so that's fine in your case. But also double-check if your income falls within the EITC limits since they change every year.

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This is super important! The income limits for EITC with one qualifying child for 2024 (filing in 2025) are around $46,560 if filing as head of household. If you make more than that, you won't qualify regardless of your daughter's status.

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Nina Chan

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One thing to keep in mind is that even though your daughter can file her own return for her bookstore income, she likely won't owe any federal taxes since she only made $2,800 (well below the standard deduction). However, she should still file if taxes were withheld from her paychecks - she'll probably get a full refund of any federal taxes that were taken out. Also, since you mentioned you're a single mom, make sure you're filing as Head of Household rather than Single - this gives you a higher standard deduction and potentially more favorable tax brackets. You qualify for Head of Household status since you're unmarried and have a qualifying dependent living with you for more than half the year.

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Great point about Head of Household status! I actually wasn't sure about that filing status. Does it matter that my daughter is away at college for most of the school year? She's only home during breaks and summer, but I know you mentioned temporary absences count. Just want to make sure I'm doing this right since every little bit helps with my refund.

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Amun-Ra Azra

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Don't forget to make copies of EVERYTHING before you mail it! I learned this the hard way when the IRS claimed they never received my 2019 return. No proof = had to redo everything + paid penalties.

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Summer Green

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This is so important! I also take photos of the sealed, addressed envelopes before mailing. Maybe I'm paranoid but it's saved me before.

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Teresa Boyd

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Just a heads up for anyone considering these different options - I recently had to mail past returns for 2019-2021 and ended up using a combination approach that worked really well. First, I weighed each complete return package at the post office (they'll do this for free) to get exact postage amounts. My 10-page returns with supporting docs were actually closer to 3 ounces each, so needed 3 stamps per envelope rather than the 2 mentioned earlier. For the mailing method, I went with certified mail with return receipt for the peace of mind, but here's a tip: you can do this online through USPS.com and print the labels at home. It's slightly cheaper than doing it at the counter and you avoid the lines. Most importantly, I called the IRS practitioner priority line first (different number than the regular taxpayer line) to confirm which processing center to use for each year. Turns out the addresses had changed for my state between some of those years. The wait was still long but not as bad as the regular line. Total cost was about $12 per return (postage + certified mail + return receipt) but having tracking numbers and delivery confirmation was absolutely worth it. All three returns were processed without issues and I got confirmation within 6 weeks.

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This is really helpful! I had no idea there was a practitioner priority line - is that something regular taxpayers can use or is it only for tax professionals? The idea of getting exact weights at the post office is smart too, I was just guessing based on what others said about page counts. Also curious about the online certified mail option you mentioned - does that still give you the same tracking and delivery confirmation as doing it in person at the post office?

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This is really helpful information! I'm in a similar situation but with a twist - we made our 2023 Roth contributions through automatic monthly transfers. Does anyone know if the earnings calculation gets more complicated when contributions were made throughout the year versus all at once? I'm worried Schwab might have trouble tracking the exact gains attributable to each monthly contribution. Also, I'm curious about timing - if I start the recharacterization process now, how long does it typically take to complete? I want to make sure I have enough time to also handle the traditional IRA to 401k rollover that AaliyahAli mentioned if we decide to go that route for a clean backdoor Roth next year.

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Great question about the monthly contributions! The earnings calculation shouldn't be more complicated - brokerages like Schwab use sophisticated systems that track gains/losses on a daily basis for each contribution. They calculate what's called "net income attributable" (NIA) which accounts for the timing of when each contribution was made and what the investments earned from that point forward. For timing, recharacterizations typically take 5-10 business days once you initiate the request. However, I'd recommend starting the process soon since we're getting closer to the deadline. If you're planning the 401k rollover strategy for next year, you have until December 31, 2024 to complete that rollover to avoid pro-rata issues on any 2024 conversions. One tip: when you call Schwab, ask them to provide you with a detailed breakdown of how they calculated the earnings portion. This will help you understand the numbers for your tax filing and give you confidence that everything was done correctly.

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I went through this exact situation with Fidelity last year and wanted to share some additional insights that might help. One thing I learned is that when you call to request the recharacterization, make sure to specify that you want to recharacterize the "maximum allowable amount" - this ensures they include all contributions plus the net income attributable to those contributions. Also, don't forget about state tax implications if you live in a state with income tax. Some states don't conform to federal recharacterization rules, so you might need to make adjustments on your state return even if everything is handled properly at the federal level. The process was actually smoother than I expected once I got through to a retirement specialist. They walked me through everything and even helped me understand how the recharacterization would affect my ability to make future Roth contributions. Since you're over the MAGI limits, you'll want to plan for backdoor Roth contributions going forward if your income stays high. One last tip - keep detailed records of the recharacterization including the calculation methodology Schwab uses. This documentation will be helpful if you ever get questions from the IRS, and it'll make next year's tax prep much easier if you decide to do backdoor Roth conversions.

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This is incredibly thorough advice, thank you! I hadn't even considered state tax implications - that's definitely something I need to look into since I'm in California. Do you happen to know if there are any particular states that are known for not conforming to the federal recharacterization rules? The point about requesting the "maximum allowable amount" is really helpful too. I was worried about having to calculate everything myself, but it sounds like if I'm specific with my language when calling, Schwab should handle the calculations properly. One follow-up question - when you mentioned keeping detailed records, did Fidelity provide you with a written breakdown of their calculation methodology, or did you have to take notes during the call? I want to make sure I get proper documentation for my records.

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Omar Hassan

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I've been doing crypto tax loss harvesting for the past two years and can confirm it works as described. The key thing people miss is that you need to be strategic about timing. I typically do a review in November to identify positions that are down, then execute the sales and repurchases in December. One important detail - make sure you're using the same exchange or wallet for the repurchase if possible. It makes record-keeping much cleaner. Also, consider the transaction fees when calculating whether the tax benefit is worth it. On smaller losses, the fees might eat into your savings. I use a simple spreadsheet to track: original purchase date/price, sale date/price, loss amount, repurchase date/price, and new cost basis. This documentation has been sufficient for my tax preparer and gives me confidence if I ever get audited.

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This is really helpful, especially the timing strategy! Quick question about the spreadsheet tracking - do you also record the transaction IDs from the exchange? I'm wondering how detailed the records need to be. Also, have you noticed any patterns in which coins work best for this strategy, or is it pretty much any crypto that's down?

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Aria Park

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This is a really thorough discussion! I wanted to add a perspective from someone who's been through multiple tax seasons with crypto. The wash sale loophole is indeed real and I've used it successfully, but there are a few practical considerations worth mentioning. First, timing matters more than people realize. While you CAN sell and rebuy immediately, I've found it's often better to wait at least a few minutes or even hours between transactions. This helps avoid any potential issues with price slippage or market volatility affecting your ability to rebuy at a similar price. Second, consider the psychological aspect - it's easy to get caught up in "gaming the system" and make poor investment decisions just for tax benefits. Make sure your investment strategy comes first, and tax optimization comes second. Finally, keep in mind that this strategy works best when you have other capital gains to offset. If you don't have gains, you can only deduct $3,000 per year against ordinary income, and excess losses carry forward. So don't rush into this if you're not getting immediate tax benefits.

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Omar Hassan

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This is such a timely question! I went through the exact same confusion when I started trading more actively last year. The wash sale rules are definitely one of those tax concepts that seem simple on the surface but get complicated quickly in practice. One thing that helped me understand it better was thinking about the IRS's intent behind the rule - they don't want people to claim tax losses while immediately getting back into the same economic position. That's why the loss isn't permanently gone, just deferred until you actually exit the position for good. A few additional points that might help: - The 30-day window goes both ways (before AND after the sale), so it's actually a 61-day window total where you need to be careful - Your broker's 1099-B will show wash sales they're aware of, but they might miss some if you trade across multiple brokers or account types - If you're doing tax-loss harvesting near year-end, be extra careful about January purchases triggering wash sales on December sales The cost basis adjustment you mentioned is correct - that $200 loss gets added to your new shares' basis, so you'll eventually get the tax benefit when you sell those replacement shares (assuming you don't trigger another wash sale). Have you considered consulting with a tax professional who specializes in trading? It might be worth the cost given how complex this can get with active trading.

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Millie Long

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This is really helpful context about the IRS's intent behind the rule - that framing makes it much clearer why they structured it this way. The 61-day total window is something I definitely didn't realize initially. I'm curious about the tax professional recommendation - do you have any suggestions for finding someone who specifically understands active trading tax issues? I've talked to a couple of CPAs but they seemed pretty general and didn't really get into the nuances of wash sales across multiple accounts or with options trading. Also, for someone just starting to trade more actively, what's a reasonable threshold where you'd say "okay, now you really need professional help with this"? Like is it based on number of trades, dollar amounts, or complexity of strategies?

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Sean Kelly

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Great question about finding the right tax professional! I'd recommend looking for CPAs or EAs (Enrolled Agents) who specifically advertise experience with day traders or active investors. The National Association of Tax Professionals has a directory where you can search by specialty. Also, many trading forums and communities have recommendations for tax pros who "get it" when it comes to complex trading scenarios. As for thresholds, I'd say consider professional help if you're hitting any of these: - Making 100+ trades per year across multiple accounts - Trading options regularly (especially complex strategies) - Dealing with wash sales that span different account types - Your trading losses/gains are significant relative to your income (like 25%+) - You're doing any kind of tax-loss harvesting strategy The complexity matters more than pure volume though. Someone making 500 simple stock trades might be fine with good software, while someone doing 50 trades involving options, multiple brokers, and retirement accounts might really need professional guidance. I learned this the hard way - tried to DIY my taxes after a year of active trading and ended up paying way more than I should have because I missed several wash sale implications. The CPA's fee was easily offset by the tax savings they found.

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Lucas Adams

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Just wanted to add another perspective on the "substantially identical" question that's been bugging me too. I learned from my tax advisor that the IRS hasn't provided a comprehensive list of what counts as substantially identical, which makes this so confusing for us regular traders. For ETFs, it's not just about tracking the same index - even funds that track different but highly correlated indexes could potentially be considered substantially identical. For example, an S&P 500 ETF and a large-cap growth ETF might have enough overlap that the IRS could argue they're substantially identical if you're not careful. One strategy I've started using is the "different asset class" approach when I need to tax-loss harvest. Instead of trying to find a "similar but not identical" replacement, I'll temporarily move to a completely different sector or even bonds for the 31-day period. It's not perfect for maintaining exposure, but it completely eliminates the wash sale risk. Also, be super careful with dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPs). If you sell a stock at a loss but have DRIP enabled and it automatically reinvests dividends within the wash sale window, that could trigger the rule too. I had to disable DRIP on several positions to avoid this issue. The whole system really seems designed to trip up active traders who don't have professional tax help!

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This is exactly the kind of practical insight I was looking for! The DRIP issue is something I never would have thought about - I have dividend reinvestment enabled on several positions and could definitely see myself accidentally triggering wash sales that way. Your point about the IRS not providing a comprehensive list is really frustrating but makes sense why this is so confusing for everyone. The "different asset class" approach sounds smart even if it's not perfect for maintaining exposure. Better to be conservative and avoid any potential issues with the IRS. Do you know if there are any recent court cases or IRS rulings that have clarified what "substantially identical" means for modern ETFs? It seems like with so many new funds coming out that track slightly different but overlapping indexes, this is becoming an even bigger gray area than it was before. Also wondering - when you temporarily move to bonds or other asset classes during the 31-day period, do you have a go-to strategy for what to buy? Like do you stick with broad market bond ETFs or do you try to match the duration/risk profile somehow?

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