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Confused about Form 709 requirements - Do I need to file for a joint account gift to my child's 529?

I've been going through the Form 709 gift tax return instructions and honestly feeling pretty lost. Here's my situation: My spouse and I want to contribute about $30,000 from our joint brokerage account to our daughter's 529 college savings plan. Since this is over the $18,000 annual exclusion but under $36,000, I'm trying to figure out if we need to file Form 709. The "Who Must File" section has me completely confused: β€’ If you gave gifts to someone in 2024 totaling more than $18,000 (other than to your spouse), you probably must file Form 709. But see *Transfers Not Subject to the Gift Tax* and *Gifts to Your Spouse*, later, for more information on specific gifts that are not taxable. β€’ Spouses may not file a joint gift tax return. Each individual is responsible to file a Form 709. β€’ You must file a gift tax return to split gifts with your spouse (regardless of their amount) as described in *Part III Spouse's Consent on Gifts to Third Parties*, later. β€’ Likewise, each spouse must file a gift tax return if they have made a gift of property held by them as joint tenants or tenants by the entirety. So it seems like I have to file... but maybe not because we could split the gift (each giving less than $18,000)? But then bullets #2 and #3 make it sound like we both need to file, and bullet #4 specifically mentions gifts from joint accounts like ours. Reading further down, there's an exception for filing with spousal consent where one spouse can file for both if: >During the calendar year: >β€’ Only one spouse made any gifts, >β€’ The total value of these gifts to each third-party donee does not exceed $36,000, and >β€’ All of the gifts were of present interests. So maybe I can file just one Form 709 with my spouse's consent? But my main question is: **Do I have to file Form 709 at all for this 529 contribution?** I understand that contributing to my child's 529 plan definitely counts as a gift since she's the beneficiary. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Just wanted to add another perspective as someone who went through this exact scenario last year. We contributed $32,000 from our joint checking account to our daughter's 529, and I was initially panicking about Form 709 requirements. After consulting with our tax preparer, she confirmed what others have said here - the joint account contribution is automatically treated as $16,000 from each spouse, so no Form 709 needed since both amounts were under the $18,000 exclusion. One thing that might be helpful for the original poster: if you're still unsure, you can always call your 529 plan administrator. Many of them have tax specialists who deal with these questions regularly and can walk you through the gift tax implications. Our plan (Vanguard) was actually really helpful in explaining how the contribution would be treated for tax purposes. The peace of mind was worth the 20-minute phone call, and it saved us from unnecessarily filing paperwork or worrying about it during tax season!

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Zara Shah

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That's really helpful advice about calling the 529 plan administrator! I hadn't thought of that option. Did Vanguard provide any written documentation about their guidance, or was it just verbal confirmation? I'm always a bit nervous relying on phone advice for tax matters, but it sounds like they were knowledgeable about the gift tax rules.

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Miguel Silva

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Great question about the documentation! Vanguard didn't provide written confirmation over the phone, but they did refer me to specific sections in their 529 plan documents and IRS publications that I could review myself. The representative walked me through Publication 559 (Survivors, Executors, and Administrators) and Publication 950 (Introduction to Estate and Gift Taxes) to show me the relevant sections about joint account gifts. What gave me confidence was that their explanation aligned perfectly with what I found in the IRS instructions and what my tax preparer later confirmed. The Vanguard rep also mentioned that this is one of their most common questions, so they're very familiar with the rules. If you want something in writing, you could always follow up the phone call by requesting they email you the specific IRS publication references they mentioned. That way you have a paper trail of sorts, even if it's not their formal written opinion. Most 529 administrators are pretty good about providing those kinds of resources since they deal with these questions so frequently.

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Javier Mendoza

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This is really helpful! I'm actually in a very similar situation as the original poster with a $28,000 contribution we want to make from our joint savings account to our son's 529. Reading through all these responses has been eye-opening - I had no idea that joint account gifts are automatically split between spouses for gift tax purposes. The idea of calling the 529 plan administrator for guidance is brilliant. I think I'll do that first since it sounds like they deal with these questions all the time and can point me to the specific IRS publications. Having those publication references would definitely give me the documentation comfort I need. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world example that helps make sense of all those confusing IRS instructions!

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NeonNomad

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Just want to add a helpful tip for anyone going the Solo 401k route - I set one up last year through Fidelity and it was surprisingly straightforward. The whole process took about 20 minutes online, and they walked me through exactly how to calculate my contribution limits based on my 1099 income. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: you can actually open a Solo 401k late in the year (even December) and still make contributions for that tax year, as long as you make the contributions by the tax filing deadline (including extensions). This gave me flexibility to see how much profit my business made before deciding on contribution amounts. The combination of maxing out a Solo 401k for myself AND doing a spousal IRA for my non-working husband has been a game-changer for our retirement savings. We went from saving maybe $12,000/year to over $30,000/year in tax-advantaged accounts.

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Luca Conti

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This is really helpful! I'm curious about the contribution timing - when you say you can make contributions by the tax filing deadline, does that include both the employee AND employer portions of the Solo 401k? I've heard conflicting info about whether the employer contribution has to be made by December 31st or if it also gets the extension to the filing deadline. Also, did you have to do anything special to coordinate the Solo 401k with your spousal IRA contributions to make sure you didn't accidentally over-contribute based on your total earned income?

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For Solo 401k timing, both the employee and employer contributions can be made up to the tax filing deadline (including extensions). The employee portion is treated like a salary deferral and the employer portion is a business deduction, but both get the same deadline flexibility for sole proprietors and single-member LLCs. Regarding coordination with spousal IRA - you don't really need to worry about over-contributing across different account types since they have separate limits. Your Solo 401k limits are based on your self-employment income, and the spousal IRA has its own $7,000 limit. The only thing to watch is that your total earned income needs to cover all contributions combined. So if you made $50,000 self-employment income, you could potentially do a Solo 401k contribution based on that PLUS the $7,000 spousal IRA, as long as your combined contributions don't exceed your earned income.

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Fidel Carson

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As someone who went through this exact same situation a few years ago, I can confirm what others have said - you definitely cannot contribute to your spouse's old 401k. That was my first instinct too, but it's simply not allowed once they're no longer employed there. What worked really well for us was the combination approach: I set up a SEP IRA for my self-employment income (super easy to do) and opened a spousal IRA for my non-working partner. The SEP IRA gave me much higher contribution limits than I expected - I was able to put away about 20% of my net self-employment income, which was way more than the $7,000 IRA limit. One thing I learned the hard way: make sure you're calculating your net self-employment income correctly for the SEP IRA contribution. You have to subtract the self-employment tax deduction first, which I initially missed. The IRS has worksheets that walk through this calculation, but it's definitely worth double-checking with a tax professional or using one of the tools others mentioned here. The spousal IRA was incredibly straightforward - just opened a regular IRA in my spouse's name and contributed to it from our joint finances. Come tax time, filing jointly made it all work seamlessly.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was looking for! I'm in a similar boat with self-employment income and was getting overwhelmed by all the different retirement account options. Quick question - when you say you were able to put away about 20% with the SEP IRA, was that 20% of your gross self-employment income or the net amount after the self-employment tax deduction? I want to make sure I'm estimating my potential contributions correctly when I start planning for next year. Also, did you find any particular resources or worksheets that were especially helpful for calculating the SEP IRA contribution limits? I've looked at the IRS publications but they can be pretty dense to work through.

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This has been such an informative thread! As someone who just opened my second Roth IRA account at a different brokerage, I was completely unaware of how easy it would be to accidentally over-contribute. The point about Form 5498 not being available until May is particularly eye-opening - I always file my taxes in February, so I would have never caught an over-contribution through those forms. I'm definitely going to set up that contribution limit tracking that was mentioned. It's reassuring to know that the major brokerages have built-in features to help prevent this issue. I think I'll also start using a simple tracking spreadsheet as a backup, just to be extra safe. One question I have: if someone realizes they over-contributed but it's a relatively small amount (like $50-100), is it still worth going through the hassle of the excess contribution withdrawal? Or would it sometimes make more sense to just pay the 6% penalty, especially if the withdrawal process is complicated?

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Great question! Even for small amounts like $50-100, I'd still recommend doing the excess contribution withdrawal rather than paying the penalty. Here's why: the 6% penalty applies EVERY YEAR that the excess remains in your account, not just once. So a $50 excess would cost you $3 per year indefinitely until you remove it. Over time, that adds up to more than the hassle of a one-time withdrawal. Most brokerages have streamlined the excess contribution withdrawal process - it's usually just a phone call or online form. They handle the calculations for any earnings that need to be removed along with the excess contribution. The whole process typically takes less than 30 minutes of your time but saves you from ongoing annual penalties. Definitely worth it even for small amounts!

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Javier Torres

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I work in tax preparation and see this issue come up frequently during tax season. One thing I'd add is that many people don't realize the IRS actually has a pretty good online tool called the "IRA Contribution Limits Calculator" that can help you determine your exact contribution limit based on your income and filing status. Also, for those dealing with multiple accounts, I recommend keeping a simple annual contribution log that you update every time you make a contribution. Include the date, amount, and which account it went to. This takes literally 30 seconds each time but can save you from major headaches later. Another common mistake I see: people who get married during the tax year sometimes forget that their contribution limits might change if they file jointly vs. separately. The income phase-out ranges are different for married filing jointly ($230,000-$240,000 for 2025), so newlyweds should double-check their eligibility mid-year if their combined income is high. The bottom line is that prevention through good record-keeping is always easier than correction after the fact!

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Andrew Pinnock

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This is such valuable advice from a tax professional's perspective! I had no idea the IRS had an online contribution limits calculator - that sounds like it would be really helpful for people in situations like Maria's original question. Your point about newlyweds is particularly interesting. I imagine a lot of people don't think about how marriage could affect their IRA contribution eligibility mid-year, especially if both spouses were previously eligible for full contributions but their combined income pushes them into the phase-out range. The simple contribution log idea is brilliant too. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best - just writing down each contribution as you make it would eliminate so much confusion later. I think I'm going to start doing this myself even though I only have one Roth IRA account, just to get in the habit in case I ever open additional accounts. Thanks for sharing your professional insights with the community!

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Chloe Harris

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation with my marketing consultancy. I've been successfully using the Augusta Rule for our quarterly board meetings at my house, but I'm also considering renting my detached workshop to the business for product photography and storage. Based on what everyone's shared, it sounds like the key is really in the documentation and keeping everything clearly separated. I'm definitely going to get separate lease agreements drafted and maybe get that real estate agent valuation that Chloe mentioned. One question - for those who are doing both arrangements, do you find it helpful to use different payment schedules? Like monthly payments for the continuous garage rental versus per-event payments for the Augusta Rule house rentals? I'm wondering if that helps demonstrate the different nature of each arrangement to the IRS. Also really appreciate the audit experience shared by Mila - gives me confidence that this can be done legitimately if you keep proper records!

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Henry Delgado

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Great question about payment schedules! Yes, I absolutely recommend different payment structures for each arrangement - it's one of the clearest ways to demonstrate that these are truly separate rental activities. For my Augusta Rule house rentals, I use per-event invoicing (usually $800-1,200 per day depending on the event type and number of attendees). Each invoice references the specific business purpose like "Q3 Board Meeting" or "Annual Company Retreat." Payment is typically made within 30 days of the event. For my garage workshop rental, I have a standard monthly lease payment of $450 that gets paid on the 1st of each month via automatic transfer. This consistent monthly payment pattern clearly shows it's an ongoing business facility rental rather than occasional event space usage. The different payment schedules actually strengthen your documentation because they reflect the different nature of each rental: - Augusta Rule = occasional, event-based, higher daily rate - Workshop rental = continuous, facility-based, lower monthly rate I also keep the invoices and lease agreements in completely separate files, and my business categorizes the expenses differently in QuickBooks ("Event Space Rental" vs "Facility Lease"). This payment structure differentiation was something my accountant specifically recommended, and it's worked well through two years of clean tax filings. Definitely get those separate valuations - having that professional documentation gives you confidence that your rates are defensible!

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Ava Williams

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This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was looking for! The different payment schedules make so much sense - it really does help show the IRS that these are fundamentally different types of rental arrangements. I'm curious about one more thing - do you handle the bookkeeping for both rental incomes the same way on your personal side? Like, do you track the Augusta Rule payments at all in your personal records (even though they're not taxable), or do you just keep the business documentation and ignore them personally since they don't get reported? For the garage rental income, I assume that goes on Schedule E as regular rental income, but I'm wondering about the best way to organize records on the personal side to make tax time smoother.

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Lydia Bailey

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2 Does anyone know if you need to submit proof of expenses to your HSA administrator when you reimburse yourself? My HSA is through HealthEquity and their website just lets me request distributions without uploading any documentation.

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Lydia Bailey

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16 You typically don't need to submit proof to your HSA administrator. Most let you take distributions without verification. BUT you absolutely need to keep all those receipts and documentation for the IRS in case of an audit. The HSA administrator isn't responsible for verifying eligible expenses - that's between you and the IRS.

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Great question! You're absolutely on the right track with your HSA strategy. Since you established your HSA on October 15th, any qualified medical expenses from that date forward are eligible for reimbursement - which means your November procedure definitely qualifies. You can contribute up to the 2025 maximum ($4,300 for individual coverage, or $8,550 for family coverage if you're 55+) regardless of when during the year you opened the account, thanks to the "last-month rule." Just make sure you maintain your high-deductible health plan through December 2026 to avoid any penalties. Your reimbursement strategy is spot-on too. You can reimburse yourself the current $1,300 now and the remaining $3,000 later as you build up the account. There's no deadline for HSA reimbursements as long as the expense occurred after your HSA was established. Just keep detailed records of all receipts and documentation - the IRS doesn't require you to submit these with your taxes, but you'll need them if audited. One pro tip: if you can afford to leave some money in the HSA to grow, consider only reimbursing what you absolutely need now. HSAs can be great long-term investment vehicles since the money grows tax-free and withdrawals for qualified expenses are always tax-free, even decades later!

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Thais Soares

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This is really helpful information! I'm new to HSAs and had no idea about the "last-month rule" - that's a game changer for maximizing contributions. Quick question: when you mention maintaining the high-deductible health plan through December 2026, does that mean if I switch jobs and my new employer has a different health plan, I could face penalties on my HSA contributions?

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