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Kiara Greene

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can someone explain how the 183 day rule works? ive heard this mentioned but im confused about what counts as a "day" in a state. if i sleep in one state but work during the day in another which one gets that day?? also what if ur traveling a lot between multiple states for work?

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Evelyn Kelly

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The 183 day rule isn't as simple as it sounds. Most states count any part of a day spent in the state as a full day for residency purposes. So if you sleep in State A but work in State B, both states might count that as a "day" toward their residency requirements. For frequent travelers, it gets complicated - you need to track where you're physically present each day. Some states have exceptions for transit days (just passing through).

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The complexity everyone's describing here is exactly why I ended up hiring a tax professional who specializes in multi-state returns. I tried to figure out my California-to-Nevada move on my own and kept getting overwhelmed by all the different rules and exceptions. One thing that really helped me understand was keeping a detailed calendar of where I spent each night during the year I moved. It sounds tedious, but when you're dealing with aggressive states like California, having documentation of your physical presence can be crucial if they ever challenge your residency status. Also, don't forget about the economic nexus test that some states use alongside the physical presence test. California looks at factors like where your income is sourced, where your professional licenses are held, and where you maintain business relationships. Just moving physically isn't always enough if you're still economically tied to the state. For your rental property in California, you'll definitely need to continue filing California non-resident returns for that income even after establishing Texas residency. Texas doesn't have state income tax, which is great, but make sure you're properly reporting that California rental income to avoid any issues down the road.

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Yara Elias

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This is really solid advice about keeping detailed records! I'm curious though - when you say "economic nexus test," does that mean California could still try to tax ALL of someone's income even after they've moved to Texas, just because they still have business ties there? That seems pretty aggressive. Also, for the rental property situation, would the OP need to pay taxes to both California (on the rental income) and Texas (if Texas had income tax), or does the interstate tax credit prevent double taxation?

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Nia Watson

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Great question about timing! The 3-year rule applies differently to new vs used EV credits. For the used clean vehicle credit (which is what you're dealing with), it's exactly as Alice mentioned - the 3-year waiting period starts from the purchase date of your first qualifying vehicle. For the new clean vehicle credit, there's actually no similar restriction - you can claim it multiple times as long as you meet the other requirements (income limits, vehicle price caps, etc.). So theoretically, you could buy a new EV every year and claim the credit each time if you qualify. The confusion often comes from the fact that these are two separate credits with different rules, even though they're both for electric vehicles. The used credit has the 3-year restriction specifically to prevent people from flipping used EVs just for the tax benefit.

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Ethan Clark

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This is really helpful clarification! I didn't realize the new and used EV credits had such different rules. So just to make sure I understand - if we wanted to get a NEW electric vehicle instead of used, we could potentially claim that credit even though we claimed the used one last year? The income and price limits might be tricky but at least there's no waiting period?

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Manny Lark

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Exactly right! The new and used EV credits are completely separate programs with different restrictions. You could absolutely claim the new EV credit even after claiming the used one last year - there's no waiting period between them. The main hurdles for the new credit would be the income limits ($300K AGI for joint filers) and the vehicle price cap ($80K for SUVs/trucks, $55K for other vehicles). Plus the vehicle has to meet the domestic assembly and battery component requirements, which can be tricky to navigate. Many people don't realize these are two distinct credits that can be claimed independently. It's definitely worth exploring if a new EV fits your budget and meets all the requirements!

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This is such a common misconception! I work in tax preparation and see this confusion all the time with married couples. The key thing to understand is that when you file jointly, you become a single "taxpayer entity" in the eyes of the IRS for this specific credit. Even if you put the second vehicle in your wife's name, since you filed jointly when claiming the first credit, that 3-year restriction applies to your household as a tax unit. The IRS doesn't distinguish between which spouse made the purchase when you're filing jointly. One thing to consider though - have you looked into whether your state offers any EV incentives? Many states have their own rebate programs that operate completely separately from the federal credits and don't have the same restrictions. You might still be able to get some financial benefit even if the federal used credit isn't available to you right now.

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Ally Tailer

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This is really helpful information! As someone new to understanding EV tax credits, I'm curious about those state incentives you mentioned. Do you happen to know if there's an easy way to find out what's available in different states? I'm in California and wondering if there might be programs I don't know about that could help offset not being able to use the federal used credit again.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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I was in a very similar situation last year with vacant land in Utah while living in California. After months of uncertainty, I finally got clarity by calling Utah's State Tax Commission directly - and I'm so glad I did! The representative confirmed that Utah follows the standard rule: no nonresident return required for simply owning vacant land without generating income. She explained that property ownership alone doesn't constitute "doing business" in the state, which was exactly what I needed to hear. What really helped was that she walked me through what WOULD trigger a filing requirement - things like rental income, selling the property for a gain, or starting any kind of development/business activity on the land. She also mentioned that if I ever hire contractors for improvements or maintenance, I should keep detailed records since those expenses could affect my cost basis when I eventually sell. One thing that surprised me was learning that Utah has a really helpful taxpayer services division that actually encourages people to call with these kinds of questions rather than guessing. The whole call took less than 15 minutes and saved me months of worry. For anyone still on the fence about calling their state directly - just do it! Having that official confirmation is worth way more than trying to interpret conflicting information online. Most state tax departments seem genuinely helpful when you explain you're trying to comply properly.

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been putting off making that call because I was worried about seeming clueless or wasting their time, but your experience shows they're actually there to help people like us figure this out properly. The fact that Utah's representative took the time to explain what WOULD trigger filing requirements is really valuable - it gives me a roadmap for what to watch out for in the future. Your point about keeping records of contractor expenses for cost basis purposes is something I hadn't considered yet. I'm not planning any improvements right now, but it's good to know that could become relevant later. The 15-minute call saving you months of worry really puts it in perspective - I've probably spent more time than that just googling and still feeling uncertain! I'm definitely going to call my state's tax department this week. Thanks for the encouragement and for sharing what specific questions to ask. It's reassuring to know that multiple states seem to follow the same basic principles about vacant land ownership.

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Yuki Ito

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I completely understand your confusion - I went through the exact same stress when I bought vacant land in Texas while living in New York. After doing a lot of research and speaking with both states' tax departments, I can confirm what others have said: you generally don't need to file a nonresident return just for owning vacant land that isn't generating income. The key thing that helped me understand this was realizing that state income taxes and property taxes are completely separate systems. The property taxes you're paying to the county are basically fees for local services (fire, police, roads, etc.) and have nothing to do with state income tax filing requirements. What I'd strongly recommend is calling the tax department in the state where your land is located and asking specifically about vacant land ownership. I was nervous about calling at first, but the representatives were actually really helpful and gave me definitive answers that put my mind at ease. Most states have the same basic rule - you only need to file a nonresident return if you're earning income in that state. Keep all your documentation organized though - property tax receipts, purchase documents, any maintenance expenses - because you'll need them when you eventually sell or if you start generating income from the property. And don't let this stress you out too much - you're being responsible by researching this upfront rather than waiting until tax time!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience with Texas! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same worry and got official confirmation from the state. Your explanation about property taxes being separate from income taxes really helps clarify why I was getting confused - I was mixing up these two completely different systems. I keep seeing the same advice from everyone about calling the state tax department directly, and honestly, your point about the representatives being helpful rather than dismissive is encouraging. I think I've been overthinking this and assuming they'd be annoyed by basic questions, but it sounds like they're genuinely there to help taxpayers understand their obligations. The reminder about keeping documentation organized is well-taken too. I've been pretty casual about filing receipts so far, but I can see how having everything properly tracked from the beginning will save headaches later. Thanks for the reassurance that I'm being responsible by researching this upfront - sometimes it feels like I'm worrying about nothing, but better safe than sorry when it comes to tax compliance!

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this - these pig-butchering scams are absolutely devastating and the financial impact is just crushing. $260k is a life-changing amount of money to lose. I went through something similar about 18 months ago (lost around $90k) and can share what I learned about the tax side. The good news is that your situation actually sounds like it has strong potential to qualify for Ponzi scheme treatment based on what you've described. The key factors that worked in my favor were: - The scammer created a fake trading platform showing fictitious gains - They used these fake "profits" to convince me to deposit more money - There was a clear pattern of deception designed to look like legitimate investment returns - I had extensive documentation of all communications and fake trading activity What really helped my case was organizing everything chronologically to show the pattern of deception. I created a timeline showing each deposit, the fake "gains" they showed me afterward, and how they used those fake profits to convince me to invest more. This clearly demonstrated the Ponzi-like structure. I ended up working with a CPA who had some experience with fraud cases (not specifically crypto, but general investment fraud). We used Form 4684 and included a detailed statement referencing Revenue Procedure 2009-20. The documentation was key - screenshots of the fake platform, all communications, transaction records, and police reports. I was able to claim about 95% of my losses as a deduction. Haven't been audited yet, but my CPA said the thorough documentation gives us a strong position if questioned. The fact that you've already filed reports with multiple agencies is great - that shows you treated this as a crime from the beginning, which supports the theft loss angle. Don't give up hope on the tax relief. With proper documentation and the right tax professional, you have a real chance at significant tax savings that could help with your recovery.

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StarSurfer

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience - it's incredibly helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this process successfully. The timeline approach you mentioned is brilliant and something I hadn't thought of. Creating that chronological documentation showing how each fake "profit" led to my next deposit really would demonstrate the systematic deception that defines Ponzi schemes. Your point about treating it as a crime from the beginning is reassuring. I was worried that filing so many reports might seem excessive, but it sounds like that documentation actually strengthens my case for theft loss treatment. The 95% deduction rate you achieved gives me real hope that this approach could work. Even with the risk of audit, the potential tax savings on my loss would be substantial enough to make a real difference in my financial recovery. Did you find your CPA locally or did you have to search more broadly? I'm starting to think I need to expand beyond my immediate area to find someone with fraud case experience, even if they don't specifically know crypto. It sounds like the key is finding someone willing to learn the relevant IRS procedures rather than someone who already knows crypto inside and out.

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I'm really sorry you're going through this nightmare - losing $260k to one of these sophisticated scams is absolutely devastating, and I can only imagine the emotional and financial stress you're dealing with. From what I've learned after helping several clients navigate similar situations, your case actually has strong potential for Ponzi scheme classification based on the details you've shared. The fact that the scammer showed you fake "profits" and used those fictitious returns to encourage additional deposits is a classic hallmark of Ponzi scheme structure that the IRS recognizes. A few key things that will strengthen your position: 1. **Document the deception pattern** - Create a detailed timeline showing each deposit you made and the fake gains/trading activity they showed you afterward. This demonstrates the systematic deception characteristic of Ponzi schemes. 2. **Preserve all evidence** - Screenshots of the fake platform, all communications with the scammer, transaction records, and copies of all your law enforcement reports. The more comprehensive your documentation, the stronger your case. 3. **Focus on the investment illusion** - Emphasize in your documentation how the scammer created the appearance of legitimate investment returns when no actual trading was occurring. This distinguishes your case from simple theft. The Revenue Procedure 2009-20 safe harbor provision could allow you to deduct up to 95% of your losses, which on $260k would provide substantial tax relief. While there's always some audit risk with large deductions, proper documentation and adherence to IRS guidelines provides strong protection. I'd recommend finding a CPA with experience in fraud cases, even if they don't specialize in crypto specifically. The key is someone willing to work with Revenue Procedure 2009-20 and Form 4684 properly. Don't lose hope - with the right approach and documentation, you have a legitimate path to significant tax relief that could help your financial recovery.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you. I'm just getting started with understanding all of this and it's honestly overwhelming. The timeline approach you mentioned makes a lot of sense - I do have all the screenshots of the fake trading platform showing my supposed "gains" that convinced me to keep depositing more money. One question - when you say "investment illusion," how detailed should I be in documenting that? The scammer had me believing I was trading forex and crypto through their "proprietary algorithm" and showed me daily P&L statements that were completely fabricated. Should I include all of those fake statements as evidence, or just focus on the overall pattern? Also, I'm worried about finding the right CPA. Most of the ones I've contacted locally seem to think this is just regular theft and don't understand the Ponzi scheme angle. Did you have to educate your tax preparer about Revenue Procedure 2009-20, or were they already familiar with it? The potential tax relief would be life-changing for me right now, so I want to make sure I approach this correctly from the start.

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Has anyone successfully disputed a PayPal 1099-K? Mine shows about $35k but a lot of that was just money moving between my own accounts.

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Lilly Curtis

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You can't really "dispute" a 1099-K since PayPal is required to issue it for transactions over $600. What you can do is properly report it on your tax return. The key is to report ALL your transactions properly on your return so that you only pay tax on actual income. For transfers between your own accounts, you'd just need documentation showing the money going from one account to another with no gain. A tax pro can help you organize this paper trail.

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Thanks, that makes sense. I was hoping there was a way to get PayPal to issue a corrected form, but I guess the right approach is just to properly document everything on my tax return instead.

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation - got a 1099-K from PayPal for around $78k, mostly from moving money between sportsbooks and some peer-to-peer transfers with friends for betting. Like you, I'm definitely at a net loss for the year. One thing I learned is that you absolutely need to address this on your return even if most transactions weren't actual income. The IRS computer systems will flag the discrepancy between your 1099-K and what you report as income, potentially triggering an audit or CP2000 notice. I'd definitely recommend going with a CPA over H&R Block for this. The CPA I consulted explained that with gambling transactions, you need to be very careful about how you categorize everything. They helped me understand that transfers between accounts aren't income, but any actual gambling winnings are - even if offset by losses. Make sure you get year-end statements from all your sportsbooks showing your net win/loss. Most platforms like DraftKings, FanDuel, etc. provide these for tax purposes. This documentation will be crucial if the IRS has any questions about your return. The peace of mind of having it done correctly is worth the extra cost of a CPA, especially with this much money involved.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm completely new to dealing with anything like this and honestly feeling pretty overwhelmed. Can you clarify what exactly I should be looking for in those year-end statements from the sportsbooks? Also, when you say "transfers between accounts aren't income" - does that include when my friend sends me money through PayPal that I then deposit into a sportsbook? I'm worried the IRS might see that friend-to-me transfer as income even though I'm just acting as a middleman. Did your CPA give you any specific advice on how to document those kinds of transactions?

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