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Thanks everyone for the detailed explanations! This is exactly what I needed to understand. So if I'm reading this correctly, the $31,050 on my paystub represents both the actual relocation expenses my company paid AND the additional amount they're giving me to cover the taxes on those expenses. The $21,927 "offset" is just an accounting line item to show how they're tracking it internally, but the full $31,050 will show up as taxable income on my W-2. The key point I was missing is that even though it looks like a lot of extra taxable income, my company has already calculated and included enough extra money so that after I pay taxes on the whole amount, I'm not actually out of pocket for the move. That's really generous of them! I was worried I'd be hit with a huge unexpected tax bill, but it sounds like they've already accounted for that. I'll definitely keep an eye on my W-2 next year to make sure everything looks right, but this gives me much more confidence in planning my tax situation. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences!
You've got it exactly right! It's really confusing when you first see those numbers on your paystub, but you've understood it perfectly now. The gross up is definitely one of the more generous relocation benefits companies can offer - many don't do it at all and leave employees to handle the tax burden themselves. One small tip for next year's tax planning: even though your company calculated the gross up, the actual taxes you owe might be slightly different depending on your total income for the year, other deductions, etc. But any difference should be pretty minimal since they're using reasonable estimates. Just something to keep in mind when you're doing your final tax prep!
Great breakdown everyone! As someone who works in corporate payroll, I can confirm that what's been explained here is spot on. The gross-up calculation is designed to make you "whole" after taxes, meaning you shouldn't be financially worse off due to the tax implications of your relocation benefit. One thing I'd add is that some companies will do a "true-up" calculation after your actual tax return is filed. If their estimated tax rate was too high or too low, they might adjust your pay the following year to account for any difference. Not all companies do this, but it's worth asking your HR or payroll team if they have a true-up policy. Also, make sure you keep all your relocation-related documentation. Even though you can't deduct moving expenses anymore for federal taxes, some states still allow deductions, and you'll want those records if you ever get questioned about the large income addition on your W-2.
Filed on February 18th with my purple Wisely card and still waiting here too! This is my first year using this card instead of my regular bank account, so I wasn't sure what to expect for timing. Reading through everyone's experiences is really helpful - sounds like there's quite a bit of variation even among people using the same card type. I'm at about 17 days since acceptance, so hopefully I'm getting close based on what others are sharing. Thanks for starting this thread, it's nice to know I'm not the only one checking my balance obsessively!
I'm in the exact same boat! Filed Feb 20th with my purple Wisely card and still checking constantly too. This is also my first year using Wisely instead of my regular bank, so I had no idea what timeline to expect. Based on what everyone's sharing here, it sounds like we should be getting close - most people seem to be getting theirs around the 21-day mark. Fingers crossed we both see something soon! At least we're not alone in the obsessive balance checking π
I'm in a similar situation as many of you! Filed on February 25th with my purple Wisely card and still waiting at day 15. This is actually my second year using the Wisely card - last year I got my refund in exactly 21 days, so I'm hoping for similar timing this year. What's interesting is that I'm also an independent contractor like the original poster, and I did notice last year that my refund seemed to come right on schedule despite having Schedule C income. I've been using the "Where's My Refund" tool daily (probably too much!) and it's still showing "processing." Thanks for creating this thread - it's reassuring to see I'm not the only one anxiously waiting and checking balances multiple times a day!
If all else fails and the payment does get rejected, make sure you immediately make a payment through IRS Direct Pay online using a debit card or electronic funds withdrawal. That way you minimize the time between the rejected payment and the new one.
I'm glad to see you got this sorted out with your credit union! For anyone else who might face this situation, I wanted to add that you can also check the status of your scheduled payment on the IRS website. If you go to IRS.gov and look for "View Your Account Information" or "Get Transcript," you can often see pending payments and their status. Also worth noting - if you do need to cancel a direct debit payment with the IRS, you generally need to do it at least 2 business days before the scheduled payment date. After that window, you'd need to work with your bank to stop the payment, which might involve fees. The silver lining in situations like this is that it's a good reminder to always verify banking information twice when setting up any automatic payments, not just taxes. I've learned to keep a physical copy of a voided check handy specifically for these situations.
This is such good advice about double-checking everything! I'm actually going through my first year of owing taxes instead of getting a refund, so this whole thread has been incredibly educational. The tip about keeping a voided check handy is brilliant - I never thought about that but it makes perfect sense. Quick question though - when you mention checking payment status on IRS.gov, do you need to create an account or can you check as a guest? I've been hesitant to set up an online IRS account but situations like this make me think it might be worth it.
Does anyone know what happens if I just dissolve this foreign corporation without filing a final non-dormant 5471? I'm in a similar situation - keep paying to file forms for a dormant company because I'm afraid of the headache of dissolution. But it's been dormant for 8 years now - wondering if I can just let it go and stop filing.
Don't do that! I tried something similar and got hit with a $10,000 penalty for failure to file the final 5471. The IRS is extremely serious about these international forms. You need to properly dissolve it and file the final forms correctly.
@Statiia Aarssizan is absolutely right - DO NOT just abandon the corporation without proper dissolution. The IRS treats missing final 5471s very seriously, and the penalties can be devastating. I've seen people get hit with penalties ranging from $10,000 to $60,000 for failure to file final forms. The proper dissolution process requires filing a final 5471 that's NOT dormant status, which means you'll need to complete more schedules and provide detailed information about the dissolution. It's more complex than the dormant filings you've been doing, but it's absolutely necessary to avoid massive penalties. If you've been successfully filing dormant 5471s for 8 years, you might want to consider just continuing that until you're ready to handle the dissolution properly. The cost of professional help for the final dissolution filing is much less than the potential penalties for not filing at all.
I've been dealing with a similar situation for the past 6 years with a dormant UK subsidiary. What finally convinced me to try doing it myself was realizing that my CPA was literally just copying the same information year after year - basically charging me $750 to update dates on an identical form. For anyone hesitant about the DIY approach, I'd recommend starting by comparing your last few years of filed 5471s. If they're nearly identical (which they should be for truly dormant entities), that's a good sign the form is straightforward enough to handle yourself. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure you're crystal clear on what "dormant" actually means to the IRS. My corporation had a small bank account that earned like $12 in interest one year, and I almost filed it as dormant when technically it wasn't. The interest income, even though tiny, would have made it non-dormant for that year. Caught it just in time after doing more research. The peace of mind from understanding exactly what you're filing (rather than just trusting someone else did it right) has been worth the effort for me.
That's a really good point about the interest income! I hadn't thought about that - my dormant corporation also has a small bank account that probably earns a few dollars in interest each year. I've been filing it as dormant, but now I'm wondering if I should double-check those interest statements. Do you know what the threshold is for when interest income would make it non-dormant? Even $12 seems like it should still qualify as dormant in the grand scheme of things, but I guess the IRS probably has specific rules about this.
Tyler Lefleur
Are you and your fiancΓ©e filing taxes together? Because if so, I think there might be a different issue - you can't claim someone as a dependent if you're filing a joint return with them.
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Madeline Blaze
β’That's correct - you can't be claimed as a dependent if you're filing a joint return (with very limited exceptions). The original poster mentioned their fiancΓ©e claims them as a dependent, so they would need to file separately.
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Harper Thompson
β’We're not married yet so we aren't filing jointly. My fiancΓ©e claims me as a qualifying relative since I've lived with her the whole year, had almost no income until recently, and she provides over half my support. We're planning to get married next year, so I guess that'll change our tax situation again!
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Isabella Oliveira
Just to add another perspective - I work as a tax preparer and see this confusion all the time! You're absolutely right that it's the net profit from Schedule C that counts toward the qualifying relative income test, not gross receipts. One thing to also keep in mind is that if you had any estimated tax payments or self-employment tax throughout the year, those don't reduce your "gross income" for dependency purposes - it's still the $2,700 net profit that counts. The self-employment tax is calculated separately and doesn't affect whether you meet the income test. Also, since you mentioned you're getting married next year, just be aware that once you're married, you'll need to decide whether to file jointly (which would be more beneficial in most cases) or separately if one of you wants to continue being claimed as a dependent by someone else. But that's a problem for next year's taxes!
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