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has anyone actually received their ertc refund yet??? filed 941-x last february and still nothing. getting worried the money will never come at this point :

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Amina Toure

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I got mine, but it took 14 months from filing the 941-X forms. No communication from the IRS during that time, the checks just showed up one day. Keep in mind they're processing them in the order received, so February 2023 filings should be coming up in the queue soon if they're maintaining the same timeframe I experienced.

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I can confirm what others have said - your accountant is definitely wrong about claiming ERTC on current year taxes. As a small business owner who went through this process last year, you absolutely must file Form 941-X amendments for each qualifying quarter. I made the mistake of trusting my original CPA's advice (similar to yours) and almost filed incorrectly. The ERTC is specifically tied to payroll taxes from those pandemic quarters, not income taxes. There's no mechanism in the tax code to shift it to current year filing. My advice: find a new accountant who understands ERTC rules properly, or at minimum get a second opinion from someone who specializes in employment tax credits. The penalties for filing incorrectly could be severe, and you don't want to deal with that headache later. The extra paperwork for proper 941-X filings is worth doing it right the first time.

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Emily Parker

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This is really helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! I'm definitely getting concerned about my accountant's approach now that multiple people are confirming it's wrong. Can you recommend what to look for when finding an accountant who actually understands ERTC rules? Are there specific certifications or specializations I should ask about? I don't want to make the same mistake twice with choosing someone who doesn't know the employment tax credit requirements.

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This is a tricky situation that requires careful analysis of the original intent and documentation. Before deciding whether to amend, I'd recommend taking these steps: 1. **Document the original intent**: Gather any contemporaneous evidence (emails, meeting minutes, partnership agreement provisions) that shows what the partners intended when the funds were contributed. 2. **Review profit allocation impacts**: Check if the capital contributions changed profit/loss allocations among partners. If so, reclassifying as loans could trigger Section 707(a)(2)(A) disguised payment issues. 3. **Consider the partners' tax positions**: If any partners used the increased basis from these "contributions" to deduct losses on their individual returns, they might need to amend as well. 4. **Evaluate documentation requirements**: For proper loan classification, you'll need evidence of: repayment terms, interest rates, definite maturity dates, and an actual debtor-creditor relationship. If you can't establish clear loan intent from the beginning, it might be safer to leave the classification as capital contributions and treat the 2025 repayments as capital distributions - though this has its own tax implications to consider. The key is consistency and having documentation that supports whatever position you take. Amending without strong supporting evidence could create more problems than it solves.

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This is really helpful guidance! I'm curious about step 4 - what would constitute adequate documentation for the "actual debtor-creditor relationship"? In situations where partners contribute funds but there's no formal loan agreement, what kind of evidence would the IRS typically look for to distinguish between a true loan versus what they might view as just a capital contribution with informal repayment expectations? I'm wondering if things like regular interest payments, formal board resolutions acknowledging the debt, or inclusion of the loans on partnership balance sheets would be sufficient, or if there are other key factors that really make the difference in an audit scenario.

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Serene Snow

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Great question! The IRS looks for several key factors to establish a genuine debtor-creditor relationship beyond just formal loan agreements: **Documentation that strengthens your position:** - Written promissory notes or loan agreements (even if created after the fact, as long as they reflect the original intent) - Partnership meeting minutes discussing the loans and repayment terms - Partnership balance sheets consistently showing the amounts as liabilities rather than capital - Regular interest payments or accruals at market rates - Board resolutions or partner consents acknowledging the debt obligations **Behavioral evidence the IRS examines:** - Whether the partnership actually makes principal and interest payments as agreed - If the partnership treats the amounts as deductible interest expense - Whether partners report interest income on their personal returns - How the partnership handles the debt in financial statements provided to lenders or investors **Red flags that suggest capital contribution treatment:** - No fixed repayment schedule or the debt is perpetually extended - Below-market or no interest rates - Repayment is contingent on partnership profitability - The "loans" are subordinated to all other partnership creditors The IRS tends to focus on the substance over form - they want to see that the parties actually intended and acted as if there was a real debt obligation, not just capital that might be returned someday. Even without perfect documentation, consistent treatment and evidence of genuine loan characteristics can support your position.

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Chloe Wilson

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Brian, I've been through a similar situation and here's what I learned the hard way: the timing of when you make this decision matters a lot more than you might think. If you're going to amend, you need to do it consistently for both years and have a rock-solid story about the original intent. The IRS doesn't like it when taxpayers change their position on fundamental classifications like this, especially when it seems driven by tax convenience rather than correcting a genuine error. A few practical considerations: **Before amending, ask yourself:** - Did the partnership agreement contemplate partner loans at all? - Were these funds truly intended to be repaid from the start, or is this just buyer's remorse about the capital treatment? - Do you have ANY contemporaneous documentation of loan intent? **If you do amend:** - File both amended returns simultaneously with identical explanations - Include a detailed statement explaining the error and providing evidence of original loan intent - Be prepared for potential IRS scrutiny - they may want to see the documentation that supports the reclassification **Alternative approach:** Consider leaving the past returns alone and properly documenting any future similar transactions as loans. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, especially if the supporting documentation is thin. The partners may not love hearing this, but their lack of proper documentation upfront created this mess. Don't let their after-the-fact preferences drive you into a position that's hard to defend.

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This is excellent advice, especially about the timing and consistency aspects. I'm dealing with a similar partnership issue right now and your point about "buyer's remorse" really hits home - it's so important to distinguish between correcting a genuine error versus changing positions for tax convenience. One thing I'd add is that even if the documentation is thin, having the partners sign contemporaneous affidavits now (not backdated agreements) acknowledging their original intent can be helpful. Obviously not as strong as having proper documentation from day one, but it at least creates some record of their position. The alternative approach you mentioned - leaving past returns alone and properly documenting future transactions - is probably the safest route when the evidence is questionable. Sometimes accepting the status quo and doing better going forward is the most defensible position. @Brian Downey - have you had a chance to review the partnership agreement to see if it even contemplates partner loans as a possibility? That might be a good starting point for determining whether amendment is worth the risk.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Another thing that helped me - if you're getting stuck after ID.me login, try logging out completely and starting fresh. Sometimes the session gets weird and you end up in limbo. Also check that you're going to the official IRS.gov site and not some other tax site that might redirect you elsewhere.

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GamerGirl99

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Great point about logging out completely! I had this exact same issue last month where I kept getting redirected to random pages after the ID.me login. A fresh start totally fixed it. Also definitely double-check you're on the real IRS.gov - saw some sketchy sites that look almost identical trying to phish login info 😬

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Great thread! I've been struggling with the same issues and this discussion has been incredibly helpful. One thing I wanted to add based on my experience last year - make sure you're also considering the timing of when you moved funds between exchanges. I had a situation where I transferred a large amount from Binance to KuCoin in the middle of the year, and for a brief period, the same funds were technically "in transit" but still showing on both platforms. I almost double-counted that amount when calculating my maximum balance. The key is to track the actual settled balances, not pending transfers. Also, if you're using any foreign lending platforms (like BlockFi when it was operational, or current platforms like Nexo), those definitely count as foreign financial accounts for FBAR purposes if they're not US-based. I learned this the hard way when my tax preparer caught it during review. The monthly screenshot approach mentioned earlier is genius - I wish I had thought of that instead of trying to reconstruct everything from transaction histories at year-end!

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GamerGirl99

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This is such a great point about funds in transit! I had a similar issue where I was moving Bitcoin from one exchange to another and the blockchain confirmation took longer than expected. Both exchanges were showing the balance temporarily, which would have definitely led to double-counting if I hadn't been careful. Your mention of lending platforms is really important too - I think a lot of people don't realize that platforms like Nexo or even some of the newer DeFi lending protocols based outside the US could trigger FBAR requirements. It's not just traditional "exchanges" but any foreign platform where you're holding crypto assets. The complexity of this stuff is exactly why I've been considering getting professional help for next tax season. Between tracking maximum balances, avoiding double-counting during transfers, and making sure I'm not missing any foreign platforms that count as "financial accounts," it feels like there are so many ways to accidentally mess up the reporting. Has anyone here worked with a tax professional who specializes in crypto? I'm wondering if it's worth the extra cost to avoid potential compliance issues.

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As someone who went through this exact nightmare last year, I can't stress enough how important it is to get professional help if you're dealing with multiple foreign exchanges. I tried to handle everything myself initially and made several mistakes that could have resulted in penalties. The key things I learned: First, the $10k threshold is indeed based on aggregate maximum values across ALL foreign accounts, not simultaneous balances. Second, you need to be really careful about what constitutes a "foreign financial account" - it's not just exchanges, but also lending platforms, staking services, and even some DeFi protocols depending on where they're incorporated. One thing that saved me was discovering that some exchanges provide annual statements specifically designed for tax reporting. Binance, for example, has a tax reporting section where you can generate statements that show your maximum balance for the year. Not all exchanges offer this, but it's worth checking before you spend hours reconstructing your records. Also, don't forget that beyond FBAR, if your foreign crypto assets exceed certain thresholds ($50k for single filers), you may also need to file Form 8938 (FATCA reporting) with your regular tax return. The thresholds and requirements are different from FBAR, so you could end up needing both forms. The good news is that once you set up a proper tracking system, it becomes much more manageable in subsequent years. But for your first year dealing with foreign exchanges, seriously consider getting help from a tax professional who understands crypto - it's worth the peace of mind.

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Chloe Martin

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! I'm definitely in that "first year dealing with foreign exchanges" category and feeling overwhelmed by all the requirements. The point about Binance having tax reporting statements is huge - I had no idea that was available and have been trying to manually track everything through their regular transaction history. Quick question about the Form 8938 threshold you mentioned - when you say $50k for single filers, is that based on the same "maximum aggregate balance" calculation as FBAR, or is it calculated differently? I want to make sure I understand if I might need both forms. Also, do you have any recommendations for finding tax professionals who actually understand crypto? I've called a few local CPAs and most of them seemed uncomfortable with crypto questions, let alone foreign exchange reporting requirements.

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Lucas Turner

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now as a new partnership member who might need to sell my interest soon due to a job relocation. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful, but I'm curious about timing - when exactly should I request the section 751 information from the partnership? Should I wait until after the sale is complete, or is it better to get this information beforehand so my buyer and I can factor it into the sale price negotiations? I'm worried that if there's significant ordinary income from hot assets, it could affect what someone would be willing to pay for my partnership interest. Also, does anyone know if there are standard industry practices for how partnerships should calculate and provide this information, or is it really just a free-for-all depending on how organized the partnership's accounting team is?

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Lara Woods

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Great question about timing! You should definitely request the section 751 information BEFORE finalizing the sale, not after. This information is crucial for determining the true tax impact on both you and the buyer, which absolutely should factor into price negotiations. When I was in a similar situation, I found that sophisticated buyers actually expect this information upfront - it shows you're serious and transparent about the tax implications. The ordinary income portion from hot assets can significantly impact the after-tax proceeds, so both parties need to understand this before agreeing on a price. As for industry standards, unfortunately it really is inconsistent. Some partnerships have well-established procedures and provide detailed section 751 analyses automatically, while others act like you're asking for their deepest secrets. Professional service partnerships (law, accounting, medical) tend to be better organized about this, while smaller trade partnerships can be all over the map. I'd recommend reaching out to the partnership's accountant directly rather than going through general management - they're more likely to understand exactly what you need and why it's important for the transaction.

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Based on my experience as a tax professional who's handled numerous partnership interest sales, I can confirm that your K-1 will NOT automatically report the section 751 gain from selling your partnership interest. The K-1 reports your distributive share of partnership income/loss through the sale date, but the gain calculation from transferring your actual ownership interest is separate. Your accountant will need to perform a detailed analysis comparing your adjusted basis in the partnership interest against the sale proceeds, then allocate portions between ordinary income (section 751 hot assets) and capital gain. This requires information about unrealized receivables, substantially appreciated inventory, and any special basis adjustments - data that should come from the partnership but often requires specific requests. Given your 35% interest, this could be a substantial calculation. I'd recommend requesting the section 751 information from your partnership immediately, as some partnerships are slow to respond or may need time to compile the necessary valuations. Don't wait until you get your K-1 - start this process now so your accountant has everything needed to properly complete Forms 4797 and Schedule D when tax time comes.

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This is really helpful advice from a professional perspective. I'm curious though - in your experience, what happens if the partnership refuses to provide the section 751 information or takes an unreasonably long time to respond? Are there any legal remedies available to selling partners, or do we just have to make our best estimate for tax purposes? I'm asking because I've seen several comments in this thread about partnerships being uncooperative, and I want to know what my options are if I run into resistance when I request this information for my upcoming sale.

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