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We just got an opportunity to purchase a property at a significantly discounted price and I'm trying to figure out the best financial strategy for it. I'm strongly leaning towards selling the place using an owner-carry contract - 0 down payment, with a slightly higher interest rate than market, either 15 or 30 year term. From what I understand, I'd still have to pay capital gains tax but the amount would be reduced since I'd only pay taxes on the principal payments I receive each month, rather than the full sale price upfront. We've thought about just selling the house outright, but then we'd have to pay capital gains tax on the entire profit immediately (I think around 15-20% depending on our bracket). Plus, we're not sure we want to jump into another mortgage right now. Our ultimate goal is to set this up as a source of passive income through the interest payments. Has anyone done something similar or have advice on the tax implications for this kind of installment sale?
So I checked my transcript earlier this month and saw code 810 which I've never had before. I was nervous about what was happening with my refund and was told to wait for the notice. Just got this CP05 notice in my email today dated March 3, 2025 regarding my 2024 tax return. The notice states: "We're reviewing your return to verify its accuracy. We understand your tax refund is important to you and we'll work to complete our review as quickly as possible." It goes on to explain that they're reviewing returns to determine whether income, income tax withholding, credits, or expenses are reported correctly. The notice specifically says I don't need to do anything at this time, and they'll either: - Send me my refund - Ask for additional information - Deny all or part of my refund (with the option to appeal if I disagree) The frustrating part is that it could take up to 60 days to complete their review. The notice even says "Please wait 60 days before contacting us since we won't be able to provide any additional information." They suggest checking refund status at IRS.gov/Refunds or the IRS2Go mobile app. There's also a concerning section about identity theft that says "If you didn't file a 2024 tax return, someone may have attempted to use your personal information to obtain a tax refund." In that case, they recommend completing Form 14039 (Identity Theft Affidavit) and visiting IRS.gov/ID for more information about tax-related identity theft. But I definitely filed my return in mid-February, so that part doesn't apply to me. The notice is labeled as "CP05" for Tax Year 2024, Page 1 of 2. Has anyone dealt with this before? Is this really just a waiting game now or should I be doing something proactive? Filed in mid-February and was expecting my refund by March, now it seems like it could be May before I get anything. Should I call them before the 60 days is up or just keep waiting?
anyone know if theres a way to figure out WHY your return got selected for review? like are they looking at a specific part of my return or is it totally random?
The CP05 is deliberately vague for security reasons. They don't want to tell you exactly what triggered the review because scammers could use that info. But common triggers include: claiming refundable credits, self-employment income, large changes in income year-over-year, or just random selection.
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! Got my CP05 notice last week and have been stressing about it ever since. It's so frustrating because like you, I filed a completely straightforward return in February and was expecting my refund by now. The waiting game is the worst part - 60 days feels like forever when you're counting on that money. I've been checking my transcript obsessively but nothing has changed since the 810 code appeared. From what I'm reading here, it sounds like most people do get their full refund eventually, which is reassuring. I guess we just have to be patient even though it's incredibly annoying. Thanks for sharing your experience - at least I know I'm not alone in this! Keep us updated on how it goes. Hopefully we'll both see some movement on our transcripts soon. ๐ค
I keep checking WMR and my transcripts every day but nothing changes. Does anyone know what days the IRS usually updates their system? I feel like im checking 20 times a day and getting nowhere.
Pro tip: the cycle code on your transcript can tell you your update schedule. Look at the last 2 digits - 05 means Thursday updates, 03 means Wednesday, etc. But honestly just use taxr.ai and save yourself the headache of trying to decode all this stuff
Been there! The obsessive checking is real ๐ From my experience, WMR typically updates overnight between 3-6am EST like others mentioned, but transcripts are more unpredictable. I've seen updates on random days throughout the week. The cycle code thing is helpful if you can figure it out, but honestly the IRS system has been pretty inconsistent lately. My advice? Pick one time per day to check (maybe early morning) and try to resist the urge to refresh constantly - it'll just drive you crazy and won't make your refund come any faster!
I'm in a bit of a weird situation with my taxes this year and really hoping someone can help me figure out the Earned Income Credit stuff. Basically, I've been stuck outside the US since March (family emergency turned into a travel nightmare with all the restrictions). I only managed to work about 4 weeks in the States back in January/February and made around $3,800 before everything went sideways. When I'm trying to file my taxes, there's this question about the Earned Income Credit that's confusing me. Since I was physically outside the US for most of 2023, am I even eligible? Does the fact that I'm a US citizen who normally lives and works in the States matter at all? Or does being gone for 9+ months automatically disqualify me? My income is definitely low enough to qualify based on the charts I've seen, but I'm not sure about the residency requirements given my situation. I wasn't planning to be gone this long - it just happened because of circumstances beyond my control. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Just to add another perspective - I'm an expat who's lived abroad for years, and the foreign earned income exclusion (Form 2555) is different from your situation. That's for people who are genuine residents of foreign countries. Since your situation is a temporary absence and you intend to return to the US, you're still considered a US resident for tax purposes, which actually helps with your EIC eligibility. Make sure you don't accidentally file as a foreign resident which would definitely disqualify you from EIC.
I made this exact mistake one year - filed with the foreign earned income exclusion when I was only temporarily abroad. Ended up having to file an amended return because I misunderstood the residency rules and messed up my qualification for several credits.
Based on what you've described, you should still be eligible for the Earned Income Credit. The IRS recognizes that temporary absences due to circumstances beyond your control (like travel restrictions during emergencies) don't automatically disqualify you from EIC if you maintain your US residence and intend to return. The key factors working in your favor are: 1) Your absence was unplanned and involuntary, 2) You maintained your US ties and residence, and 3) You have clear intention to return. With only $3,800 in earned income, you're well within the income limits for EIC. Make sure to keep documentation of your situation - any records showing why you couldn't return (travel restrictions, family emergency details, etc.) and evidence that you maintained your US residence (lease payments, bank accounts, etc.). File your return as a US resident - don't use any foreign residency forms since your situation is temporary. You should be able to claim the EIC without issues, but having that documentation ready will help if the IRS ever has questions about your residency status during 2023.
So I just started my business last year and ended up with an operating loss of about $13k. Most of this was from general startup costs, buying office equipment, and those initial business expenses everyone warns you about. Not inventory - just the standard operating stuff like supplies, software subscriptions, and some marketing. Now this year I'm finally starting to see some profit coming in (thank goodness!), and I'm wondering about those first-year losses. Can I somehow carry forward my business tax loss to offset the profits I'm making now? Most of my losses were from operating expenses and all those startup consumables and office supplies I had to buy to get things going. I've heard something about "net operating loss" but I'm not sure if that applies to my situation or how to actually use it on my taxes. Do I need to file something special to carry these losses forward?
Does anyone know if you can apply NOL carryforwards when using tax software like TurboTax or do you need an accountant? I'm trying to save money since I'm still in startup mode but don't want to miss out on using my losses from last year.
Just want to add my experience as someone who went through this recently. I had about $8k in losses from my graphic design business startup costs and was able to carry them forward successfully. The key thing I learned is that you need to distinguish between startup costs (which might need to be amortized over 15 years) and regular business operating expenses (which can create the NOL immediately). Things like your office supplies, software subscriptions, and marketing expenses that you mentioned should qualify for immediate NOL treatment. But if you had any costs related to actually starting the business (like legal fees to set up your LLC, initial market research, etc.), those might fall under the startup cost rules and need different treatment. I'd recommend keeping track of which category each expense falls into - it'll make carrying forward much smoother and help if you ever get questioned about it. The NOL carryforward has been a lifesaver for offsetting my profits this year!
CaptainAwesome
Has anyone used a land contract instead of a mortgage? I've heard they're simpler but not sure about the tax differences.
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Yuki Tanaka
Land contracts, also called contracts for deed, are treated the same as owner financing for tax purposes. The main difference is legal, not tax-related. With a land contract, the title doesn't transfer until all payments are made, while with owner financing using a mortgage, the title transfers immediately but you hold a lien against the property. From a tax perspective, both are reported as installment sales on Form 6252. The advantage of a land contract is it can be easier to regain possession if the buyer defaults since you never transferred the title.
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Yara Sabbagh
This is a great discussion on installment sales! One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact of the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) if your modified adjusted gross income exceeds certain thresholds ($200k for single filers, $250k for married filing jointly). The 3.8% NIIT can apply to both the capital gains portion and interest income from your installment sale, which could significantly affect your overall tax liability. This is especially important to consider if the installment payments push you over the NIIT threshold in years when you might not have crossed it otherwise. Also, don't forget about state tax implications - some states treat installment sales differently than federal rules, so you'll want to check your state's specific requirements. The tax deferral benefit can vary significantly depending on where you live.
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