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One thing nobody mentioned yet - when you're liquidating an S-Corp, check if your state requires a tax clearance certificate before you can formally dissolve the business. I completely missed this step and had to reopen my case with the state after I thought everything was finished. The balance sheet issues in TurboTax might be frustrating, but don't forget about the state-level requirements too. In my state, I couldn't formally dissolve until I got clearance showing all state taxes were paid, and that process took almost 3 months!
Great point about state requirements! I'm actually going through S-Corp liquidation right now and almost made the same mistake. For the balance sheet issue in TurboTax, one thing that helped me was creating a simple spreadsheet to track all my liquidation transactions before entering them into the software. I listed: - Beginning balances for all accounts - Each distribution with the corresponding reduction in both cash and equity - Asset disposals with any gain/loss calculations - Final balances (should all be zero) This helped me see exactly where the imbalance was before fighting with TurboTax. In my case, I had forgotten to record the accumulated depreciation removal when I disposed of some equipment. Also, make sure you're using the correct tax year dates. Since you're liquidating, some transactions might span multiple tax years, and TurboTax needs to know which year each transaction belongs to for proper reporting. The taxr.ai tool mentioned above sounds interesting - might be worth trying if you're still stuck after manually checking your entries.
This spreadsheet approach is brilliant! I'm dealing with a similar liquidation situation and have been pulling my hair out trying to figure out where my books went wrong. Creating that transaction tracker before entering everything into tax software makes so much sense - it's like having a roadmap. Quick question though - when you disposed of equipment with accumulated depreciation, did you have to calculate any Section 1250 recapture, or was it all treated as regular capital gain/loss? I have some office equipment that's been fully depreciated and I'm not sure how to handle the tax implications when I dispose of it during liquidation. Thanks for sharing such a practical solution!
Just want to echo what others have said about selecting HOH on your W-4 - you absolutely should since you qualify! I made this switch last year and saw an immediate difference in my take-home pay. One additional tip I haven't seen mentioned: make sure to keep documentation that proves your kids lived with you for more than half the year. This includes school enrollment records, medical records showing your address, any custody agreements, etc. I know it seems obvious since you have full custody, but it's good to have this stuff organized just in case. Also, don't forget that as HOH with two kids, you'll likely qualify for the Child Tax Credit and possibly the Earned Income Tax Credit too, depending on your exact income. These credits can be worth thousands, so it's definitely worth getting your withholding right to avoid a big tax bill or giving the government an interest-free loan. The fact that you're thinking about this proactively with your new job shows you're on the right track. So many people just fill out the W-4 once and never revisit it, even when their life situation changes dramatically!
This is really great advice about keeping documentation! I never thought about keeping school records as proof that my kids live with me, but that makes total sense. Since I'm just starting this new job, I should probably get organized with all this paperwork now rather than scrambling around next tax season. Quick question - you mentioned the Earned Income Tax Credit. I think I've heard of that before but never really understood if I qualified. Is there an income limit for that credit when you're filing as Head of Household with two kids? With my new salary of $58,000, am I still in the range where I could get that credit? Thanks for pointing out how being proactive about this stuff pays off. I definitely don't want to be one of those people who just sets it and forgets it, especially after going through unemployment and now having a completely different income situation.
@ElectricDreamer Yes, you should still qualify for the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) with a $58,000 salary and two kids filing as HOH! For 2024, the income limit for EITC with two qualifying children is around $61,710, so you're well within the range. The EITC is actually one of the most valuable credits available - with two kids and your income level, you could potentially get a credit of around $4,000-5,000. It's a refundable credit too, which means you get the full amount even if it's more than the taxes you owe. This is another reason why getting your W-4 withholding right is so important. If you're having too much withheld throughout the year, you're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan on money that includes your EITC. Better to have the correct amount withheld and get your refund (including EITC) at a reasonable size rather than a massive one. Definitely keep those school enrollment records and any other documentation showing the kids live with you full-time. The IRS can be pretty strict about EITC eligibility, so having good records is smart planning.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm a single parent too (one kid, age 10) and I've been making the same mistake for years - selecting Single on my W-4 even though I file HOH on my tax return. Reading through all these responses, I'm realizing I've probably been giving the government way too much money throughout the year and then getting it back as a "refund." That's basically what everyone is saying, right? That if you qualify for HOH when filing, you should select HOH for withholding too so you get more money in each paycheck instead of waiting for a big refund? I'm definitely going to update my W-4 this week. My situation is pretty straightforward - I have full custody, pay all household expenses, and my daughter lives with me year-round. Sounds like I clearly qualify for HOH. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and tools - this thread probably just saved me hundreds of dollars in overwithholding for the rest of the year!
This is such valuable information! As someone who just started with Uber Eats last month, I had no idea about the self-employment tax kicking in at just $400. I've been assuming I'd be fine since I'm nowhere near the regular filing threshold. Quick question for the group - when you say "set aside 25-30%" for taxes, is that from gross earnings or after deducting expenses like mileage? I've been tracking my miles but wasn't sure if I should calculate my tax savings based on total earnings or what's left after the mileage deduction. Also, does anyone know if there's a grace period for first-time 1099 filers? Like, will the IRS be more lenient with penalties if you legitimately didn't know about the self-employment tax requirement?
Great questions! For the tax savings calculation, you should set aside 25-30% of your NET earnings (after deducting expenses like mileage). So if you earn $1000 gross but have $300 in mileage deductions, you'd calculate your tax savings on the $700 net amount. Regarding first-time filer penalties - the IRS doesn't have an official "grace period" for not knowing the rules, but they do have reasonable cause provisions. If you can show you made a good faith effort to comply and had reasonable cause for missing requirements, they may waive penalties. However, interest on unpaid taxes still applies. My advice: don't wait to find out about penalty relief. File as soon as you can, pay what you owe, and if penalties are assessed, you can request an abatement later. The IRS is generally more understanding when you're proactive about fixing the situation rather than waiting for them to catch it. Also consider making estimated quarterly payments going forward - it's much easier to manage smaller payments throughout the year than one big tax bill!
Just wanted to add something that might help other newcomers like myself - the IRS also has a "First Time Penalty Abatement" (FTA) policy that can waive failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties for taxpayers who have been compliant in prior years OR have no prior filing history. Since you mentioned you've never filed before, you might qualify for this if you end up with penalties. You'd need to call the IRS (or use that Claimyr service others mentioned) to request it after you file your return. Also, don't forget that as a delivery driver, you can deduct more than just mileage - things like your phone data plan percentage used for work, insulated delivery bags, car maintenance related to delivery work, and even parking fees during deliveries can add up to significant savings. The key is keeping good records from the start. I wish someone had told me this when I began - it would have saved me a lot of stress and money!
This is incredibly helpful information, thank you! I had no idea about the First Time Penalty Abatement - that could be a lifesaver for people in my situation who genuinely didn't know about the $400 self-employment tax threshold. One thing I'm still confused about though - when you mention deducting "phone data plan percentage used for work," how do you actually calculate that? Do you just estimate what percentage of your phone usage is for DoorDash, or is there a more official way to track it? I use my phone constantly for the app, GPS, and communicating with customers, but I also use it for personal stuff obviously. Same question for car maintenance - how do you prove to the IRS that oil changes or tire replacements were "related to delivery work" versus just normal car maintenance you'd do anyway? I'm trying to be thorough with record-keeping from the start, but I want to make sure I'm doing it right and not setting myself up for problems if I ever get audited.
As someone who works in retirement planning, I can't stress enough how right everyone here is about avoiding 401k withdrawals for tax debt. What many people don't realize is that there's actually a specific order of operations the IRS follows for collections, and retirement accounts are typically among the LAST assets they'll go after, not the first. The IRS will generally exhaust other collection methods first - bank levies, wage garnishments, property liens, etc. - before touching retirement accounts. This is because they recognize the importance of preserving people's retirement security. So when your 401k administrator said "no," they were protecting you from making a move that even the IRS wouldn't rush to make themselves. Here's another angle to consider: if you're struggling financially enough to consider raiding retirement savings, you might actually qualify for Currently Not Collectible (CNC) status with the IRS. This temporarily suspends collection activities if you can demonstrate that paying the tax debt would create genuine financial hardship. It's worth exploring alongside payment plan options. The math everyone has shared here is spot-on - between penalties, taxes, and lost growth, a 401k withdrawal typically costs 40-60% more than the actual debt amount. File those returns, explore payment plans and hardship programs, but whatever you do, keep that retirement money working for your future!
This professional perspective is incredibly valuable! I had no idea that retirement accounts are actually among the LAST assets the IRS targets for collection. That really reinforces why the 401k administrator was right to refuse the withdrawal request - they were essentially protecting the original poster from doing the IRS's job for them in the worst possible way. The information about Currently Not Collectible status is also really important. It's good to know there are options for people who truly can't afford payments, rather than forcing them to destroy their retirement security. This seems like another example of how the IRS has more flexibility and programs available than most people realize. Your point about the collection order of operations makes so much sense from a policy perspective too. If the government recognizes retirement security as important enough to protect in their own collection procedures, that should be a huge red flag for anyone considering voluntary early withdrawals to pay tax debt. Between all the real experiences shared here and now this professional insight, it's crystal clear that there are much better paths forward than touching retirement savings. The 40-60% additional cost you mention aligns perfectly with the math other community members have shared. Thanks for adding this expert perspective to an already incredibly helpful discussion!
I'm dealing with a very similar situation - unfiled returns for 2021-2023 and estimated debt around $8k. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been a real eye-opener, especially seeing the actual math behind 401k withdrawals versus payment plans. What really convinced me was the long-term impact calculations people shared. The idea that withdrawing money from retirement could cost 40-60% more than the actual debt amount, plus decades of lost compound growth, makes it clear why every financial professional warns against this approach. I'm curious about the timing of penalty abatement requests - should I wait until I have all my returns filed and processed before requesting first-time penalty relief, or can I mention it when I initially contact the IRS about setting up a payment plan? I want to make sure I don't miss any opportunities to reduce the total amount owed. Thanks to everyone who shared their real experiences here. This thread has potentially saved me from making a catastrophic financial mistake that I would have regretted for the rest of my working life. Sometimes the community really comes through with exactly the advice you need to hear!
Omar Farouk
I went through something very similar with my grandmother last year. The key thing that tripped me up was understanding that ANY money you give her counts as income, even if it's just a "thank you" or help with expenses. What ended up working for us was keeping the cash payments under $93/week (which keeps her under the $4,850 annual limit for 2025) and then covering more of her direct expenses instead. So instead of giving her extra cash, we started paying for things like her prescriptions, clothing, personal care items, and even set up a small monthly allowance on a prepaid card for incidentals. We were able to claim her as a dependent and got a nice tax break. The documentation was key though - we kept receipts for everything we paid for her to prove we provided more than half her support. It's definitely worth restructuring if you can make the numbers work!
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Giovanni Rossi
ā¢This is really practical advice! I like the idea of keeping the cash under $93/week and covering direct expenses instead. Did you have any issues with the IRS questioning the arrangement or wanting specific documentation? I'm wondering how detailed the recordkeeping needs to be - like do you need receipts for every single thing you buy for her or is there some threshold where smaller purchases don't matter?
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Tyler Murphy
Based on what everyone's saying about the income limits, it sounds like your current arrangement unfortunately disqualifies your mother-in-law from being claimed as a dependent. At $135/week ($7,020 annually), she's well over the $4,850 limit for 2025. However, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional about your specific situation before making any changes. There might be nuances to your arrangement that could affect how the payments are classified, and you want to make sure any restructuring is done properly to avoid issues down the road. If you do decide to restructure, the suggestions about keeping cash payments under $93/week and covering direct expenses instead seem like a solid approach. Just make sure to document everything carefully - the IRS will want to see proof that you're providing more than half her total support if you claim her as a dependent. Also, don't forget to consider the childcare angle that Benjamin mentioned. Even if you can't claim her as a dependent, there might be other tax benefits available for the childcare services she provides.
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Amina Bah
ā¢Tyler makes a great point about consulting a tax professional first. I'm new to this community but dealing with a similar situation with my elderly father who moved in with us last year. The income threshold seems pretty strict from what everyone's saying, but I'm wondering if there are any exceptions or special circumstances that might apply? Like does it matter that she's providing a service (childcare) versus just receiving money as support? I'm definitely going to look into some of those resources people mentioned - this is way more complicated than I expected when my dad first moved in with us!
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