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Just want to point out that for 2024, the threshold for payment apps to send 1099-Ks is $5,000, not the $600 threshold they were initially planning. So depending on how much you paid your babysitter, they might not even get a 1099-K from Venmo at all. Also, make sure your payroll service marked these payments as household employee wages, not independent contractor payments. That classification makes a big difference in how everything is handled tax-wise.
Thanks for mentioning the threshold change! Our total payments were about $4,200 so maybe this won't even be an issue? And yes, our payroll service definitely has her classified as a household employee with all the proper withholding. I was just panicking about the potential for confusion if she got both forms.
If your total payments were $4,200, then you should be under the current $5,000 threshold for 2024, so Venmo likely won't issue a 1099-K at all. This threshold has been a moving target - it was supposed to drop to $600 but they pushed it back again. Even if a 1099-K is issued erroneously, the advice others have given about how to handle it on the tax return is solid. Since you've properly classified her as a household employee and are handling withholding correctly, you've done everything right. The paper trail from your payroll service will make it clear these aren't self-employment earnings if there's ever any question.
Does anyone know if this impacts household employees who didn't receive a W-2? I paid my house cleaner through Venmo all year (about $6,000 total) but didn't use a payroll service. Now I'm worried they'll get a 1099-K and have to pay self-employment taxes when they're technically a household employee.
You've actually identified a different issue. If you paid someone $2,400 or more in 2024 as a household employee, you're required to provide a W-2 and pay employer taxes. Without the payroll service, you should have been handling this yourself by getting an EIN, filing Schedule H with your return, etc. Since you didn't treat them as a household employee for tax purposes, they will indeed likely be classified as self-employed based on the 1099-K they'll receive from Venmo (since you exceeded the $5,000 threshold). At this point, they will need to pay self-employment taxes.
@e6cbb7815e22 You may want to consider consulting with a tax professional about potentially filing a corrected return or amended paperwork to properly classify your house cleaner as a household employee retroactively. While it's more complicated now, it might save your cleaner from having to pay the full self-employment tax burden. You could still file Schedule H with your 2024 return to report the household employee wages and pay the employer portion of Social Security and Medicare taxes. You'd also need to issue a W-2 (even though it's late) and potentially pay some penalties, but this could be much less costly for your cleaner than them having to pay both the employee and employer portions of Social Security/Medicare taxes as self-employed. The key question is whether correcting this classification now would be worth the penalty fees versus having your cleaner pay the higher self-employment taxes. A tax professional familiar with household employee rules could help you run the numbers.
Question for anyone who's dealt with this - does how you categorize these fees change if you're passing some of the costs to customers? We charge a small "financing fee" for customers who choose Affirm or Klarna.
If you're charging customers a separate fee, you need to count that fee as income. Then the processing fees you pay to Affirm are still deductible expenses. Make sure you're accounting for both sides. Also check your service agreement with Affirm - some of the BNPL services prohibit merchants from adding surcharges specifically for their payment method.
For a business your size ($340K revenue), these Affirm processing fees are definitely fully deductible as ordinary business expenses under Section 162 of the tax code. I've been handling similar situations for small e-commerce businesses for years. The key thing to remember is that these fees should be deducted in the tax year when the transaction occurs, not when you receive the funds from Affirm (which can sometimes take a few days). This is called the "accrual method" and applies even if you're normally a cash-basis taxpayer. I'd suggest setting up a separate line item in your books specifically for "Affirm Processing Fees" - this helps with tracking your actual costs per payment method and makes tax preparation much cleaner. Your CPA will appreciate the organization when they return from vacation! One more tip: if you're offering any promotional financing through Affirm (like 0% interest periods where you pay extra fees), those should technically be categorized as marketing/promotional expenses rather than processing fees, though both are fully deductible.
This is really helpful information! I'm also a small business owner dealing with similar payment processing questions. Can you clarify what you mean by the "accrual method" applying even for cash-basis taxpayers? I thought we could choose our accounting method - does using services like Affirm force us into accrual accounting for those specific transactions? Also, regarding the promotional financing fees being categorized as marketing expenses - is there a specific revenue threshold where this distinction becomes more important for tax purposes, or is it just better bookkeeping practice?
I'm dealing with something similar right now! My Credit Karma Money app has been stuck on that same "Yikes! We're having trouble loading your data" error for 3 days. It's so frustrating because I can see all the menu options but can't access any actual account information. Based on what others are saying here, it sounds like this might be their fraud protection system kicking in when they're processing large deposits like tax refunds. I'm going to try logging in through their website on my computer like a few people suggested - seems like the app might just be buggy while the actual account is fine. Has anyone had luck with that dedicated tax support line (1-888-475-3126) that was mentioned? Regular customer service has been completely useless for me so far.
I actually just called that dedicated tax support line yesterday and it was SO much better than regular customer service! The wait was only about 20 minutes compared to the 2+ hours I spent on hold with their main line. The specialist was able to tell me exactly what was happening - my refund was in "processing hold" for verification and should clear within 24-48 hours. They said the app error is intentional during this process to prevent any transactions while they verify the deposit. Definitely worth calling that number if you've been waiting more than a few days!
I'm going through the exact same thing right now! The "Yikes! We're having trouble loading your data" error has been haunting me for 4 days straight. It's so nerve-wracking when you're expecting a substantial refund and can't even see if it's there. Reading through all these responses is actually really reassuring - sounds like this is a common issue during tax season when they're processing large deposits. I'm definitely going to try accessing my account through their website instead of the app, and if that doesn't work, I'll call that dedicated tax support line at 1-888-475-3126. It's frustrating that their regular customer service doesn't seem to know anything about this issue, but at least now I understand it's likely their fraud protection system doing its job rather than my refund being lost somewhere. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - makes me feel a lot less anxious about the whole situation!
I'm so glad I found this thread! I've been dealing with the exact same error for the past 3 days and was starting to panic that something went wrong with my refund. It's such a relief to know this is actually normal during tax season and that it's their fraud protection system working, not a sign that my money is lost. I tried the website approach that everyone's been suggesting and it actually worked! My refund has been sitting there for 2 days already while the app kept showing that error message. So definitely try logging in through a browser before calling - saved me a lot of stress and time on hold. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and especially whoever posted that dedicated tax support line number. It's amazing how much more helpful this community discussion has been than Credit Karma's actual customer service!
Has anyone ever had success getting the IRS to move quicker on resolving an amended return situation? My accountant said amended returns are taking 6-8 months to process right now, but meanwhile I'm getting threatening CP504 notices like the original poster. It's so frustrating!
The regular processing channels are super slow, but if you can get through on the phone, explain that you're receiving collection notices, and request a "taxpayer advocate" assignment, that can sometimes speed things up. They can put an urgent flag on your case if you're facing collection actions based on incorrect information. But getting through to request this is the hard part...
I totally understand your stress - CP504 notices are designed to get your attention and they definitely do that! Your accountant's reaction actually makes sense to me. When you've been trying to resolve an issue through normal channels for months without success, sometimes escalation (like a CP504) can actually work in your favor by giving you access to different departments or priority handling. The fact that your accountant strongly advised against paying is significant. If you pay the disputed amount, you're essentially validating the IRS's incorrect assessment, and getting refunds back from the IRS is notoriously slow and difficult. It's much better to resolve the underlying error first. That said, I'd recommend asking your accountant for a detailed timeline of what's been submitted and when you can expect resolution. Also ask if he's requested any formal collection holds. Even though he seems confident, having a clear picture of the process will help reduce your anxiety. You could also consider calling the IRS yourself (or using a service to help you get through) just to verify what's on file and confirm the status - not to contradict your accountant, but just for your own peace of mind.
Maya Patel
This is a great point about framing the negotiation properly. I'd add that your friend should also consider the timing element here - if the business continues operating with losses, that sweat equity partner will keep receiving negative K-1s that could complicate their personal tax situation. Another angle to consider: since this partner never contributed cash, they likely don't have sufficient "basis" to deduct all the losses that have been allocated to them anyway. This means they may have suspended losses on their personal return that they can't currently use. A clean exit might actually be more valuable to them than continuing to accumulate unusable tax losses. Your friend might want to get a tax professional to calculate what the partner's actual tax basis is versus their capital account balance. These are often very different numbers, and the basis calculation might show that the partner's economic position isn't as strong as the capital account balance suggests. The key is documenting everything properly so the buyout is structured in a way that's defensible to the IRS and fair to all parties involved.
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Gemma Andrews
ā¢This is exactly the kind of analysis that gets overlooked in these situations! The distinction between capital account balance and tax basis is crucial here. Most people assume they're the same, but they can diverge significantly, especially when losses exceed a partner's actual economic investment. For a sweat equity partner who never put in cash, their initial basis would typically be just the value of services they contributed (if any was recognized as income). All those allocated losses over the years may have created suspended losses they can't even use on their personal returns. Maya's point about timing is spot-on too. If the business keeps losing money, this partner will keep getting hit with K-1s showing more losses they probably can't deduct. A buyout that lets them exit cleanly - even for less than the "full" negative capital account - might actually improve their overall tax situation. Has anyone dealt with a situation where the suspended losses actually made the partner MORE willing to accept a lower buyout amount? I'm curious if that leverage point has been effective in similar negotiations.
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Ezra Beard
I've dealt with this exact situation multiple times, and the suspended loss angle is absolutely critical leverage that most people miss. In one case, we had a sweat equity partner with a $85k negative capital account who was demanding full payment. When we calculated their actual tax basis (which was essentially zero since they never contributed cash), we discovered they had over $70k in suspended losses sitting on their personal return that they couldn't use. We presented this analysis showing that continued partnership ownership would likely generate more unusable losses, while a buyout - even at a significantly reduced amount - would allow them to trigger some of those suspended losses as a capital loss on the sale of their partnership interest. The partner ended up accepting a $15k settlement because they realized the alternative was continuing to receive K-1s with losses they couldn't deduct, plus the complexity of tracking suspended losses for potentially years. The key is getting a tax professional to run the numbers on both the capital account AND the tax basis/suspended loss calculation. Often the partner's actual economic position is much weaker than the capital account suggests, especially when they never contributed actual capital but have been allocated years of losses. This analysis completely changes the negotiation dynamic and often leads to much more reasonable settlement amounts.
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Romeo Quest
ā¢This suspended loss analysis is brilliant and something I never would have thought to consider! As someone new to partnership taxation, can you explain how exactly the suspended losses would get triggered in a buyout scenario? Also, when you presented this analysis to the partner, did you need to show them their actual personal tax returns to prove the suspended loss situation, or were you able to demonstrate this just from the partnership records? I'm trying to understand how to build this kind of leverage analysis without overstepping boundaries in terms of accessing someone's personal tax information. The $85k to $15k settlement is a huge difference - that kind of analysis could save the original poster's friend tens of thousands of dollars if applied correctly to their situation.
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