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Just to add another perspective as a green card holder who went through this - don't forget about state tax implications too! Some states have their own foreign asset reporting requirements that are separate from federal forms. I bought a small apartment in Europe a few years ago and while I handled the federal Form 8938 correctly, I almost missed that my state (California) had additional disclosure requirements for foreign investments. Each state is different, so definitely check with your state's tax authority or a tax professional familiar with your specific state's rules. Also, keep really good records of the purchase price, any improvements you make, and the exchange rates on all transaction dates. If you ever sell the property, you'll need all this for calculating capital gains/losses on your US return. The IRS documentation requirements for foreign property transactions are pretty strict.
This is such an important point about state requirements that I hadn't considered! I'm in New York and planning to buy property in my home country soon. Do you know if there's a good resource to check what each state requires, or is it really a matter of contacting each state individually? Also, your point about keeping detailed records is spot on - I've heard horror stories about people who couldn't properly document their basis when they sold foreign property years later. Better to be over-prepared than scrambling to recreate transaction history during an audit.
As someone who recently went through this exact situation as a green card holder, I can confirm that yes, you'll likely need to report the foreign property purchase even if it's just for personal use. The key thing to understand is that the US taxes based on your tax residency status (which includes green card holders), not just where the property is located. Here's what I learned from my experience: If the property value exceeds the Form 8938 thresholds ($50,000 for single filers living in the US), you'll need to report it. Even if it's below that threshold, it's smart to keep detailed documentation of the purchase price, transaction dates, and exchange rates used - you'll thank yourself later if you ever sell or if thresholds change. One practical tip: when you're ready to make the purchase, consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in expat/green card holder situations before completing the transaction. They can help you structure things properly from the start and avoid any compliance headaches later. The reporting requirements can seem overwhelming at first, but once you understand what applies to your specific situation, it becomes much more manageable. Also, don't forget to factor in any foreign bank accounts you might need to open for the property - those could trigger separate FBAR reporting requirements if they exceed $10,000 at any point during the year.
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation and wondering - when you say "structure things properly from the start," what specific structuring considerations should someone think about before making the purchase? Are there ways to set up the transaction that make the US reporting easier, or is it more about just being prepared for the paperwork requirements? Also, did you find any particular challenges with the currency conversion documentation that you wish you had known about beforehand? I'm looking at a property where the local currency has been pretty volatile against the dollar recently.
This is absolutely a red flag and you're right to be concerned. I work in banking compliance and can tell you that sharing login credentials violates virtually every bank's terms of service - if fraud occurs, your dad could be held liable since he willingly shared his access. The accountant's refusal to provide her SSN for read-only access is particularly suspicious. Licensed accountants routinely provide their SSN for client verification - it's standard practice. Her avoidance of this suggests she either isn't properly licensed or is trying to avoid creating an audit trail. Your dad should immediately: 1. Change his banking passwords 2. Set up read-only access through the bank's proper channels 3. If she still refuses, find a new accountant There are legitimate accounting software solutions that provide secure access without compromising bank credentials. Any accountant who insists on full login access in 2025 is either incompetent or potentially fraudulent. Trust your instincts on this one.
This is really helpful from a banking perspective. I'm curious - when you say "audit trail," what exactly would be tracked if she went through proper channels versus using shared credentials? Would there be different legal protections for my dad if something went wrong?
Great question! When an accountant uses proper channels (like read-only access), the bank maintains detailed logs showing exactly who accessed what information and when. The accountant's credentials are tied to their professional license and SSN, creating clear accountability. With shared login credentials, all activity appears to come from your dad's account - the bank can't distinguish between his legitimate access and the accountant's actions. If unauthorized transactions occur, your dad would need to prove he didn't authorize them, which becomes nearly impossible when he voluntarily shared his credentials. Legal protections are significantly stronger with proper access channels. Banks typically have specific fraud protection policies for business accounts, but these often become void when login credentials are shared. Additionally, if the accountant has her own credentialed access, there are professional liability and bonding requirements that protect clients - none of which apply when using someone else's login. Bottom line: proper channels create accountability and maintain your dad's legal protections, while shared credentials eliminate most of his recourse if something goes wrong.
As someone who works in financial fraud prevention, I can't stress enough how dangerous this situation is. Your dad's accountant is essentially asking for the keys to his financial kingdom, and her refusal to go through proper channels is a massive red flag. I've seen this exact scenario play out dozens of times - it usually starts with "just need access for bookkeeping" and ends with missing funds and a devastated business owner. The fact that she won't provide her SSN for legitimate read-only access tells you everything you need to know about her intentions. Here's what I'd recommend: Have your dad call his bank directly and ask them to walk through the proper accountant access options. Most banks have secure portals specifically designed for this purpose. If she still refuses these legitimate channels, that's your answer - find a new accountant immediately. Don't let your dad's trust override basic security practices. A legitimate accountant will understand and appreciate clients who insist on proper procedures. The sketchy ones will make excuses and push back, which is exactly what's happening here.
This is exactly the kind of professional perspective my dad needs to hear. The part about banks having secure portals specifically for accountant access is really helpful - I didn't know that was a standard option. Do you think it would be worth having my dad bring up your point about legitimate accountants appreciating proper security procedures? I feel like that might help him understand that a trustworthy professional wouldn't be pushing back against these basic safeguards. Right now he just sees it as "she's been doing my taxes for years so she must be fine" but maybe framing it as "good accountants actually prefer secure processes" would click better with him.
Just went through this same confusion last month! Code 806 is definitely the amount from your throughout the year - it's money you already paid to the IRS. When you add it to your bottom line amount and it equals what you expect, that's actually a good sign! It means your withholdings are covering your tax liability properly. The 806 amount gets applied as a credit against what you owe, and whatever's left over becomes your (which will show up as code 846 when it's processed). So you're not getting the 806 amount ON TOP of your - it's already factored into the calculation. Hope that clears things up!
Thank you so much for this explanation! I've been stressing about my transcript for days thinking something was wrong. So if I understand correctly, the 806 code is like a "payment" I already made through payroll deductions, and it gets used to calculate my final amount? That makes way more sense than thinking it was extra money on top of everything else. Really appreciate you taking the time to break this down!
The 806 code can definitely be confusing at first! To put it simply - code 806 shows the total federal income tax that was from your throughout the year. This is money you've already paid to the IRS, so it acts as a credit on your account. When you're calculating your refund, the IRS takes all your (including that 806 amount) and subtracts your actual tax liability. Whatever's left over becomes your refund. So if adding the 806 amount to your expected gives you the total you think you should get, that suggests your math is on track! Just remember to look for code 846 on your transcript - that's when your actual gets sent out. The 806 is just showing the IRS recognizes the payments you already made through payroll deductions.
The IRS and their systems are such a joke fr. Billion dollar budget and cant even keep a website running π€‘
I'm experiencing the exact same issue! Was able to check my refund status perfectly fine around 8 AM this morning, but now getting that same "Refund status unavailable" message. Really annoying timing since I was expecting an update today. Glad to know it's not just me - seems like a widespread system issue rather than something wrong with our individual accounts. Hopefully they get it sorted out soon!
Same exact thing happened to me! I checked around 7:30 AM and everything was working perfectly, then tried again around lunch time and got hit with that error message. At least we know our refunds are still processing normally - it's just their website acting up again. Typical IRS tech issues during busy season π€
Freya Christensen
I've been dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share what I learned from my CPA. The most important thing is to distinguish between a true "worthless security" and a security that was acquired at a minimal value. Based on your description, it sounds like your First Republic shares likely went through the JPMorgan acquisition process rather than becoming truly worthless. Here's what you should do: 1. **Get the facts first**: Call your broker and request the "Corporate Action Notice" for First Republic Bank from May 2023. This will tell you exactly what happened - whether you received cash, JPMorgan shares, or nothing at all. 2. **If you received ANY compensation** (even pennies): This is a regular sale transaction. Use the actual acquisition date, your original cost basis, and whatever you received as proceeds on Schedule D. 3. **For the limit order problem**: Since your shares show $4 value, set your limit price at or below the current bid price (maybe $0.01 per share). This will execute immediately and create the taxable event you need. 4. **Avoid the worthless security claim** unless you truly received zero compensation. The IRS audits these heavily, and if you received even minimal payment, it doesn't qualify. The good news is that either way, you'll be able to claim most of your $5.5k as a capital loss. The documentation from your broker will make everything clear and defensible if questioned.
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Lucas Bey
β’This is incredibly helpful guidance! I've been putting off dealing with this situation for months because I was so overwhelmed by the complexity, but your step-by-step approach makes it feel much more manageable. The distinction between a worthless security vs. an acquired security is something I completely missed when I was initially researching this. I was getting caught up in all the IRS publications about worthless securities when what I really needed to understand was the corporate action process. Your point about calling the broker for the Corporate Action Notice is spot on - I should have done that from the beginning instead of trying to decipher my regular account statements. And I really appreciate the specific guidance on setting the limit price. I was paralyzed by not knowing what number to enter, but setting it at $0.01 per share makes perfect sense if I just want to execute the sale quickly. One quick question - when you say "current bid price," where would I typically find that information? Is it shown in my brokerage account somewhere, or do I need to look it up elsewhere? I want to make sure I'm setting the limit order correctly so it actually executes. Thanks again for sharing your CPA's advice - this has given me the confidence to finally tackle this properly!
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Carmen Vega
β’To find the current bid price, log into your brokerage account and look up your First Republic Bank holdings. Most platforms will show you a quote screen with "Bid" and "Ask" prices when you click on the stock symbol. The bid price is what buyers are willing to pay, so setting your limit order at or slightly below that number should execute quickly. If your broker's platform doesn't clearly show bid/ask prices (some simplified interfaces hide this), you can also just set your limit price really low - like $0.001 per share - which will essentially become a market order and execute at whatever the best available price is. Given that your total position is only worth $4, we're talking about fractions of pennies per share anyway. Another option is to call your broker directly and ask them to execute a "market order" to sell all your First Republic shares. They can do this over the phone and it will close out your position immediately at the current market price, whatever that may be. Sometimes the phone approach is simpler than trying to navigate the online limit order system, especially for these odd situations with nearly worthless securities.
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Talia Klein
I went through this exact same situation with my First Republic shares last year, and after working with my tax preparer, here's what we discovered: The key is determining what actually happened during the JPMorgan acquisition. Most retail shareholders of First Republic did receive some minimal compensation - often around $0.00-$0.50 per share - rather than having truly "worthless" securities. Since your shares still show $4 value in your account, this strongly suggests you received something in the acquisition process. Here's my recommendation: 1. **Contact your broker immediately** and ask for the "Corporate Action Statement" or "Reorganization Details" for First Republic Bank from May 1, 2023. This document will show exactly what you received. 2. **For your limit order issue**: Set your limit price at $0.01 per share (or whatever minimal amount ensures execution). Since your total position is only worth $4, this will execute immediately and give you the realized loss you need. 3. **Report it as a regular sale on Schedule D**: Use May 1, 2023 as the sale date, your original $5.5k as the cost basis, and whatever minimal amount you received as proceeds. 4. **Avoid claiming "worthless securities"** unless you truly received $0. The IRS heavily audits these claims, and if you received any compensation (even pennies), it doesn't qualify. The bottom line: You'll still be able to claim nearly your entire $5.5k loss as a capital loss, but make sure you have proper documentation from your broker first. Don't let the complexity paralyze you - this is actually a fairly straightforward transaction once you get the right paperwork.
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Lincoln Ramiro
β’This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been procrastinating on this for way too long because it seemed so complicated, but you've laid out a clear path forward. The fact that you went through the same situation with First Republic makes your advice especially valuable. I'm going to call my broker first thing tomorrow to get that Corporate Action Statement. It sounds like once I have that documentation, everything else should fall into place pretty easily. And I really appreciate the specific guidance on the limit order - setting it at $0.01 per share makes perfect sense given how little my position is worth now. One thing that's been bothering me is whether I missed some deadline for claiming this loss. Since the acquisition happened in May 2023, am I still able to report this on my 2024 taxes if I sell the shares now? Or should this have been reported on my 2023 return? I'm worried I might have messed something up by waiting so long to deal with this. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's given me the confidence to finally get this sorted out properly!
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