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Lilah Brooks

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This has been such a helpful discussion! As someone who's been streaming for about a year and just started getting regular Treat Stream deliveries, I had no clue these counted as taxable income. I've probably received around $200-300 worth of food over the past few months and never thought twice about the tax implications. Reading through everyone's experiences, it sounds like I need to get organized ASAP. I'm going to start taking screenshots of every delivery confirmation and set up that spreadsheet system someone mentioned. The idea about setting aside 25-30% of the food value for taxes is really smart too - I can see how that would prevent a nasty surprise come tax time. One question I haven't seen addressed - what happens if a delivery gets messed up or the food is inedible? Like last week someone sent me a pizza that arrived completely cold and basically ruined. Do I still report the full value as income even though I couldn't actually eat it? Or can I adjust for situations like that? Thanks everyone for sharing your knowledge - this thread is going to save me from making some expensive mistakes!

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Maya Diaz

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That's a great question about damaged deliveries! From what I understand, you should still report the full fair market value as income even if the food arrived ruined. The IRS looks at the value of what was intended to be provided to you, not the condition it arrived in. Think of it like if someone sent you a damaged piece of equipment - you'd still report its retail value as income even if you couldn't use it. The delivery mishap doesn't change the fact that someone spent money to provide you with something of value for your streaming activities. However, I'd definitely recommend keeping documentation of delivery issues (photos, complaints to the service, etc.) just in case. While it probably won't change the income reporting, having records of problems could be useful if you ever need to explain discrepancies to the IRS. You're really smart to get organized now with only $200-300 so far - it gets much harder to track retroactively once the amounts get larger!

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Just wanted to add a practical tip for everyone tracking these food deliveries - I've found it helpful to create a simple email folder specifically for Treat Stream and similar services. Most of these platforms send confirmation emails with all the details you need (date, items, retail value), so having them organized in one place makes tax prep much easier. I also take a quick photo of the actual food when it arrives, which helps me remember what was delivered if I ever need to verify the value later. Some items might be priced differently than what I expected, and having that visual record has been useful when double-checking my spreadsheet entries. One more thing - if you're getting a decent amount of these deliveries, it might be worth reaching out to a tax professional who has experience with content creators. The rules around what qualifies as a business meal deduction can get pretty nuanced, and having someone who understands the streaming industry can potentially save you more than their fee costs.

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Ally Tailer

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I went through something very similar last year! Your employers definitely should have provided a W-2 since they paid you over $2,400. The fact that your return was rejected using their SSN as an EIN is a red flag that they haven't properly set up to be household employers. Here's what I learned: even if they claim they "reported your income somewhere" on their taxes, that doesn't fulfill their legal obligation to provide you with proper tax documents. You need that W-2 not just for filing, but for your Social Security credits and employment verification down the road. I'd suggest giving them one more chance to get you a proper W-2 (they can still issue one late), but if they refuse, definitely go the Form 4852 route that others mentioned. Keep detailed records of all your conversations with them and any payment records you have. The IRS understands that employees sometimes get stuck in these situations through no fault of their own. Also, don't stress too much about an audit - you're trying to do the right thing here, and that's what matters to the IRS. It's your employers who are potentially in hot water for not handling their responsibilities correctly.

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Kara Yoshida

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing! I've been so worried about doing something wrong, but it sounds like the IRS understands when employees are stuck in these situations. Did you end up having any issues when you filed the Form 4852? And how did your employers react when you explained their legal obligations to them?

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I'm a tax preparer and see this household employee situation all the time unfortunately. Your employers are absolutely required to provide you with a W-2 since they paid you over $2,400. Using their SSN as an EIN was never going to work - they need to get a proper EIN from the IRS for household employment. Here's what I tell my clients in your situation: First, send your employers a written request (email is fine) explaining their legal obligation to provide a W-2 and give them 10 business days to respond. This creates a paper trail. If they don't comply, you can file Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) with your tax return. When filling out Form 4852, be as accurate as possible with your income and estimated tax withholdings (which in your case would be zero since they didn't withhold anything). You'll owe both income tax and self-employment tax on the unreported income, but you won't face penalties since this isn't your fault. I always recommend keeping detailed records of all payments and communications. The IRS is generally understanding when employees are caught in these situations due to employer non-compliance. Your employers, on the other hand, could face significant penalties for failing to properly handle household employment taxes.

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This is exactly the kind of professional guidance I was hoping to find! I really appreciate you breaking down the step-by-step process. I'm going to send that written request to my employers today and give them the 10 days like you suggested. One quick question - when you mention I'll owe "self-employment tax" on the unreported income, is that different from regular income tax? I thought as a household employee I'd just pay regular employee taxes? I want to make sure I understand what I'll be responsible for when I file the Form 4852.

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Connor Byrne

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Just wanted to add - I'm a dental practice consultant, and this situation is actually pretty common. One thing to watch for: if you purchased any specialized dental equipment for the practice that you're taking to the new location, make sure you document the transfer carefully. The IRS might consider this a "sale" from one business to another, which could trigger depreciation recapture if not handled correctly. Your new business would likely need to purchase these assets at fair market value from the old business. Also, don't forget about any security deposits for office space, insurance premiums, etc. Some of these might be partially refundable, which would offset some of your losses.

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Yara Elias

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Could they just do a tax-free reorganization under section 368? That's what we did when we restructured our medical practice and moved assets between entities.

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Aidan Percy

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I went through a similar situation when I had to dissolve my consulting LLC before it generated any revenue. One thing that really helped was keeping detailed records of everything - not just receipts, but also documentation showing the business purpose of each expense and dates when they were incurred. For the IRS filing, since you elected S-corp status, you're absolutely required to file that final 1120-S even with zero income. The IRS computer system is expecting that return based on your election. Miss it and you could face penalties. Regarding your startup expenses, the good news is that dental practice expenses from one location can generally be carried over to another dental practice since it's the same line of business. The key is proper documentation and making sure your new Colorado practice is set up to properly inherit these costs. One tip: consider whether any of your equipment purchases might qualify as assets that can be directly transferred rather than treated as startup costs. Things like dental chairs, computers, or other equipment might be handled differently for tax purposes than purely startup expenses like licensing fees.

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Roger Romero

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This is really comprehensive advice! I'm curious about the asset transfer vs startup cost distinction you mentioned. For my situation, I bought office furniture, a computer setup, and some basic dental equipment (nothing major like chairs - just smaller instruments and tools). Would these likely qualify as transferable assets, or would they typically be treated as startup costs? I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the complexity of doing asset transfers versus just rolling everything into startup costs for the new practice. Also, when you say "proper documentation" - beyond receipts, what specific documentation did you find most important for the IRS when carrying over expenses to a new business?

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This situation totally sucks, but there's one workaround nobody's mentioned yet. If one spouse qualifies as a "real estate professional" (750+ hours working on real estate activities + more time than spent on any other job), then the rental properties aren't considered passive activities anymore. This means the $25,000 allowance and the MAGI limitations don't even apply - you could deduct ALL the losses against your regular income. But the catch is you need to materially participate in the rental activities and document everything meticulously. My accountant had me start keeping a detailed log of every hour I spend on property management, repairs, research, etc. It's not easy to qualify, but if one of you is already spending significant time managing your rentals, it might be worth exploring.

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That's really interesting! Do both properties have to be managed by the same spouse to qualify? My wife handles one property and I handle the other. Would we both need to meet the 750-hour requirement separately?

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For the real estate professional exception to work in your situation, only one spouse needs to qualify as a real estate professional. However, that spouse would need to materially participate in BOTH properties for the losses to be fully deductible. If your wife meets the 750-hour threshold and spends more time on real estate than other employment, but only materially participates in her property (not yours), then only her property would qualify for the exception. Your property would still be subject to the passive activity rules. The key is that the qualifying spouse needs to materially participate in each property you want to claim non-passive losses for.

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Dylan Baskin

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Has anyone successfully "grouped" their rental properties as a single activity under Reg. 1.469-4? I was reading that this might help with the material participation requirements if you're trying to qualify as a real estate professional.

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Lauren Wood

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Yes, grouping can be super helpful! We did this last year. You need to file a statement with your tax return declaring that you're treating the properties as a single activity. The properties have to have some commonality - like being in the same geographic area or requiring similar management. The benefit is huge - instead of having to materially participate in each property separately (which is 500+ hours per property), you just need to meet material participation for the group as a whole. But beware - once you group them, it's hard to ungroup them later without IRS permission.

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Dylan Baskin

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Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know! I was worried about meeting the hour requirements for each property individually. Our properties are all in the same county and we manage them similarly, so it sounds like grouping would work for us. One follow-up question - does this grouping election also help with the marriage penalty issue specifically, or just with qualifying for material participation?

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who went through a similar situation last year. You're definitely doing the right thing by reporting this - I made the mistake of initially thinking I could "wait and see" if the IRS noticed, but after doing more research I realized that was a terrible idea. One thing I learned that might help you: even though you didn't get a W-2G from DraftKings, they likely have detailed records of your account activity that could be shared with the IRS if requested. Online gambling platforms are subject to various reporting requirements, especially for accounts with significant activity like yours. I'd also recommend keeping a spreadsheet or log of all your gambling activities going forward - dates, sites, amounts wagered, wins/losses, etc. It makes tax time so much easier and gives you solid documentation if you ever face questions from the IRS. For this year's filing, definitely report the full $24k net profit on Schedule 1. Whether itemizing to deduct your losses makes sense depends on your other deductions, but at least you'll have reported the income correctly. Good luck with everything!

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This is such helpful advice about keeping detailed records! I'm curious - when you say DraftKings likely has detailed records that could be shared with the IRS, do you know if there's a specific trigger that would cause them to share that information? Is it just during audits, or do they proactively report certain account activities? I want to make sure I understand all the ways the IRS might already know about gambling winnings even without receiving official tax forms.

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Great question! From what I understand, gambling platforms like DraftKings share information with the IRS through several mechanisms. They're required to file Currency Transaction Reports (CTRs) for certain large transactions, and they also maintain records that can be requested during IRS investigations or audits. Additionally, under the Bank Secrecy Act, they have to report "suspicious activity" which can include unusual patterns of large wins or deposits. Your $29k win might not trigger automatic reporting, but if the IRS ever decides to audit gambling income or investigate large unexplained bank deposits, they can request detailed account histories from the gambling platforms. The key point is that even if they don't proactively report your specific winnings, the records exist and are accessible to the IRS when needed. That's why it's so important to report everything correctly from the start - the IRS has ways to verify gambling income even when no tax forms are issued to the player.

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I went through almost exactly the same situation with online poker winnings a couple years ago - won big but no tax forms from the site. Here's what I learned after consulting with a tax professional: You absolutely need to report the full $24,000 net gambling income on Schedule 1 as "Other Income" regardless of not receiving a W-2G. The threshold for casinos to issue W-2G forms is much higher for online platforms, but your reporting obligation starts at $1. For documentation, download and save your complete account history from DraftKings before the end of the tax year - sometimes these records become harder to access later. Also save screenshots of your year-end summary showing total deposits, withdrawals, and net position. One thing that surprised me: my tax preparer explained that large gambling winnings often trigger "lifestyle audits" where the IRS looks at your overall financial picture. They want to see that your reported income can support your spending patterns. So if you made any large purchases or deposits that year, make sure your total reported income (including the gambling winnings) aligns with your bank activity. The penalties for not reporting can be severe - not just the taxes owed but potential fraud charges if they determine it was intentional. With $24k in winnings, you're definitely in territory where the IRS would take notice if they discovered unreported income later.

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Zara Malik

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This is really eye-opening about the "lifestyle audits" - I hadn't considered that angle before! When you mention that the IRS looks at whether your reported income can support your spending patterns, does that include things like credit card payments or just bank deposits? I'm wondering because I used some of my winnings to pay down debt rather than making obvious large purchases. Also, do you know approximately how long the IRS has to initiate one of these lifestyle audits after you file? I want to make sure I keep all my documentation for the right amount of time.

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