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Has anyone considered that this might qualify as a qualified residence? IRS Publication 936 says that a qualified home includes "a house, condominium, cooperative, mobile home, house trailer, or boat that has sleeping, cooking, and toilet facilities." It doesn't specifically exclude foreign properties! You just need to live in it for at least 14 days per year OR 10% of the days it's rented out (which would be 0 in your case so the 14 days would apply).
This is incorrect information. While Pub 936 doesn't explicitly exclude foreign properties, IRS regulations clarify that for mortgage interest to be deductible, the loan must be a "qualified residence loan" which has additional requirements. Foreign properties can qualify, but there are strict usage requirements as the previous commenters mentioned. The bigger issue is that OP is only visiting "once in a while" which likely doesn't meet the 14-day requirement. Also, having parents living there complicates things because personal use generally means your own personal use, not family members using it.
Based on what you've described, unfortunately the mortgage interest won't be deductible. The key issue is that for foreign property to qualify for mortgage interest deduction, it needs to meet the same requirements as domestic property - either be your main home or a qualified second home that you use personally for at least 14 days per year. Since you're renting in the US (so this isn't your main home) and only visiting the foreign property "a few times a year," it's unlikely you're hitting that 14-day threshold. The fact that your parents might live there part-time doesn't count toward your personal use days. However, don't overlook other potential tax implications! Make sure you're properly reporting the foreign property on Form 8938 if it meets the reporting thresholds. Also, if you ever decide to rent it out in the future, that would open up different deduction possibilities (though it would also create rental income reporting requirements). Consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international tax matters, especially given the complexity of foreign property ownership and varying interpretations of the rules.
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation with a property in Eastern Europe that I visit maybe 10-12 days per year. It sounds like I'm right on the borderline of that 14-day requirement. Quick question though - do travel days count toward the personal use calculation? Like if I fly in on Monday and fly out on Sunday, is that 7 days or 5 days of personal use? I've seen conflicting information about whether arrival and departure days both count as full days of personal use. Also, regarding Form 8938 reporting - is there a specific value threshold that triggers this requirement, or does any foreign real estate need to be reported regardless of value?
This is why I hate Schedule L. The instructions are so vague!!! I spent like 3 hours on this last night and still couldn't figure it out. Has anyone used TurboTax Business for this? Does it automatically calculate capex or do I still need to manually figure this out? I dont want to spend $170 on the software if it doesnt even help with this.
Thanks for the tip about QuickBooks. I already use QB for bookkeeping but I guess I need to look more closely at the fixed asset reports. Is there a specific report that shows capex clearly? I never noticed one that explicitly says "capital expenditures" when I look through the reports section.
In QuickBooks, you'll want to look at the "Fixed Asset Listing" report under Reports > Company & Financial. This shows all your fixed asset transactions including purchases and disposals with dates and amounts. You can also run a "Fixed Asset Item List" to see changes by asset category. For a cleaner capex view, try the "Statement of Cash Flows" report which has a section for "Cash Flows from Investing Activities" - this will show your capital expenditures and asset sales separately. Just make sure your asset purchases are properly categorized as fixed assets rather than expenses when you enter them. The key is making sure you're consistently recording asset purchases to fixed asset accounts (not expense accounts) and properly recording disposals when you sell or retire equipment.
I've been dealing with Schedule L calculations for years as a tax preparer, and I see this confusion constantly. The key insight that most people miss is that Schedule L is essentially a balance sheet, and when you're calculating capex, you're trying to understand the cash flow implications of changes in those balance sheet accounts. Here's what's happening in your example: The decrease in accumulated depreciation from $9.1M to $6.5M is a huge red flag that significant asset dispositions occurred. This isn't just normal depreciation - when a company disposes of assets, both the gross asset value AND the accumulated depreciation for those assets get removed from the books. For a proper capex calculation, you absolutely need to reference Form 4797 (Sales of Business Property) and potentially Form 4562 (Depreciation). These forms will show you the actual depreciation expense for the year and details about any asset sales or dispositions. Without seeing those supporting forms, you can't accurately calculate capex from Schedule L alone. The formula is correct, but you need the real depreciation expense (not the change in accumulated depreciation) to make it work. Don't get discouraged - this is one of the more complex areas of business tax preparation, and even experienced preparers sometimes need to dig through multiple forms to get it right.
This is exactly the kind of thorough explanation I was hoping to find! As someone new to business taxes, I really appreciate you breaking down WHY the accumulated depreciation decrease is such an important indicator. I've been staring at my own Schedule L for days trying to make sense of similar numbers, and now I understand I need to look at Forms 4797 and 4562 to get the complete picture. It's frustrating that the IRS doesn't make this connection more obvious in their instructions - they really should explain that Schedule L needs to be read alongside these other forms for accurate capex calculations. One quick follow-up question: when you say "real depreciation expense," are you referring to the current year's depreciation that would appear on Form 4562, Part III? I want to make sure I'm looking at the right line item when I go back to review my forms. Thank you for taking the time to explain this so clearly - it's incredibly helpful for those of us still learning the ropes!
I went through a very similar situation with my S Corp two years ago and wanted to share what worked for me. The loan reclassification approach that others have mentioned is definitely your best bet at this point. Here's what I learned from my experience: when you're creating the loan documentation, make sure to use the AFR rate that was in effect during the month you actually took the distributions in 2023, not the current 2024 rate. This shows the IRS that you're applying the proper rate retroactively rather than just picking a convenient current rate. Also, I'd recommend being conservative with your repayment terms - I used a 5-year schedule even though I could have paid it back faster. This made the monthly payments more reasonable and looked less like I was trying to rush through a fake transaction. One thing that really helped me was getting a formal corporate resolution passed (even though I was the only shareholder) authorizing the company to accept the loan conversion. My attorney said this adds another layer of legitimacy to the transaction and shows proper corporate formalities were followed. The whole process ended up saving me about $2,800 in capital gains taxes on the excess distribution, so it was definitely worth the extra paperwork and documentation effort. Your $4K reclassification should provide similar tax savings while still leaving you with a manageable remaining excess distribution amount.
This is incredibly helpful - thank you for sharing your real-world experience! The point about using the AFR rate from when I actually took the distributions is something I hadn't considered, but it makes perfect sense from a legitimacy standpoint. I'm definitely leaning toward the 5-year repayment schedule approach you mentioned. Even though I could pay it back faster, making it look like a normal business loan rather than a rushed "fix" seems much smarter. The corporate resolution idea is also great - I want to make sure I'm checking all the boxes for proper documentation. One question about the timing: since we're now in 2024 but I took the distributions in 2023, do I need to date the loan documents as of 2023 (maybe December 31st) or can they be dated in 2024 as long as they're completed before I file my 2023 return? I want to make sure I'm not creating any red flags with the dating of the paperwork. Also, did you end up getting any pushback from the IRS or have any issues during subsequent audits? I know this is a legitimate strategy, but I'm curious about how it holds up in practice if they ever scrutinize it.
@c87948ddf282 Great question about the timing and dating! For my loan documentation, I actually dated everything as of December 31st of the tax year in question (2023 in your case). My CPA advised that this shows the loan conversion happened within the tax year, which is important for the basis calculation to work properly. The key is that you're not creating new transactions - you're reclassifying transactions that already occurred. So dating it December 31, 2023 reflects when you made the decision to treat part of those distributions as a loan rather than when you're physically preparing the paperwork. As for IRS scrutiny, I haven't been audited yet (knock on wood), but my CPA said the documentation we prepared would easily pass muster because we followed all the proper procedures - market rate interest, realistic repayment terms, formal corporate resolutions, and actual monthly payments being made. The fact that I'm making real payments and reporting the interest income properly shows it's a legitimate business transaction. One additional tip: make sure your 2023 corporate tax return reflects the loan on the balance sheet. This creates consistency across all your tax documents and shows the IRS that you're treating this as a real loan for all purposes, not just to avoid the excess distribution issue.
Looking at your situation, I think you're on the right track with considering the loan reclassification. Based on the detailed advice shared here, it sounds like a solid approach that could save you significant tax dollars. One thing I wanted to add that I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping detailed records of your basis calculation going forward. Once you resolve this 2023 issue, you'll want to track your basis more carefully to avoid getting into this situation again. Consider creating a simple spreadsheet that tracks: - Beginning basis each year - Current year income/loss adjustments - Any additional capital contributions - Distributions taken throughout the year This way you can monitor your basis in real-time and avoid taking distributions that would exceed it. Many S Corp owners don't realize they're in trouble until year-end when it's harder to fix. Also, since you mentioned your spouse lost their job but your cash flow is now stable, you might want to consider making additional capital contributions early in 2024 to rebuild your basis cushion. This would give you more flexibility for future distributions if you need them for personal expenses. The combination of resolving the 2023 issue through loan reclassification and being more proactive about basis management going forward should help you avoid these headaches in the future. Good luck with getting everything documented properly with your CPA!
Has anyone else noticed that tax software companies seem to move more forms to their paid tiers every year? I swear H&R Block included Schedule B in their free version back in 2022.
This is exactly the kind of predatory practice that makes tax season so frustrating for regular people. You're absolutely right that Schedule B isn't required for $4 in dividends - the IRS threshold is $1,500, and tax software companies know this but deliberately create confusion to drive upgrades. I've seen this same issue with multiple tax prep companies. They detect any dividend income and immediately flag you for their premium service, even when it's completely unnecessary. It's particularly frustrating because they market their "free" versions heavily but then hit you with these surprise charges right when you're trying to file. Since you've already invested time in H&R Block, I'd suggest trying the workaround that Fatima mentioned - temporarily removing the dividend entry to get past their upgrade checkpoint, then adding it back on the main 1040 form where it belongs. If that doesn't work, FreeTaxUSA and IRS Free File are solid alternatives that won't nickel and dime you for basic forms. The fact that your situation is identical to last year but suddenly requires an "upgrade" tells you everything you need to know about their business model. Don't let them bully you into paying for something you don't legally need.
This whole situation is so frustrating and honestly feels like a scam! I'm a newcomer to this community but have been dealing with similar tax software issues for years. It's infuriating how these companies advertise "free" filing but then spring these surprise charges on you right at the end when you're already invested in the process. What really gets me is how they prey on people's uncertainty about tax rules. Most of us aren't tax experts, so when the software says we "need" Schedule B, we assume it must be true. Thanks to everyone here for clarifying that $4 in dividends absolutely does NOT require Schedule B - I wish more people knew about the actual $1,500 threshold. Ruby, you're spot on about this being a predatory business model. They know exactly what they're doing by moving forms to paid tiers every year. It's like they're slowly boiling the frog, hoping we won't notice each individual change. I'm definitely bookmarking this thread for future reference and will be sharing it with friends who might face the same issue. Knowledge is power when it comes to not getting ripped off by tax software companies!
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Has anyone noticed that different tax software handles this Schedule B threshold differently? I tried both TurboTax and FreeTaxUSA this year to compare, and TurboTax automatically included all my interest on Schedule B (even though it was under $1500) once my dividends triggered the form, but FreeTaxUSA only listed the dividends. Both approaches are technically correct based on what others have said here, but it's interesting how the implementation varies.
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Omar Farouk
β’I noticed this too! I switched from H&R Block to TaxAct this year and was confused by the different handling of Schedule B. Makes me wonder what other small differences exist between tax software that we don't notice.
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Zoe Papadakis
This is such a helpful thread! I was dealing with almost the exact same situation with my mom's taxes. She had $1,650 in dividends and $900 in interest, and I was pulling my hair out trying to figure out why TurboTax wasn't putting the interest on Schedule B. Now I understand it's because each type of income has its own $1,500 threshold. The dividends triggered Schedule B since they exceeded $1,500, but the interest didn't need to be included since it was under the threshold. What's frustrating is that none of the major tax software explains this clearly in their help sections - they just say "Schedule B is required for interest and dividends over $1,500" without clarifying it's separate thresholds, not combined. Thanks to everyone who provided the clear explanations here!
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