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Just to add something that was glossed over - in the original example with $67M revenue, we're assuming that's net profit after expenses, right? Because revenue itself isn't what passes through to your personal return - it's net business profit after all legitimate business expenses. So if your S-Corp had $67M in revenue but $40M in legitimate business expenses, your actual pass-through income would be $27M, not $67M.
Great point about revenue vs. net profit! This is a crucial distinction that trips up a lot of S-Corp owners. In your $67M example, if we're talking about actual revenue, you'd first subtract all legitimate business expenses - salaries, rent, equipment, marketing, professional fees, etc. Let's say your actual net profit after expenses is $27M (as Kolton suggested). Then your $2.7M salary would be part of those business expenses, reducing your pass-through income to around $24.3M. You'd pay personal income tax on that $24.3M whether you distribute it or keep it in the business. The self-employment tax savings would be on the $24.3M in distributions rather than $64.3M, but that's still substantial - roughly $3.7M in self-employment tax savings vs. if you structured as a sole proprietorship. Also worth noting that with profits this large, you'd definitely want to work with a tax professional to ensure your salary meets the "reasonable compensation" requirements. The IRS scrutinizes S-Corps with high distributions relative to salaries, especially when we're talking about millions in pass-through income.
I went through this exact situation two years ago with my son's after-school sitter. She was adamant about not providing her SSN, and I was really stressed about potentially losing my refund. Here's what I learned: You absolutely can write "REFUSED" in the SSN field on Form 2441, and the IRS does understand this happens frequently. However, be prepared for your refund to be delayed - mine took about 6 weeks longer than usual to process because it triggered a manual review. The key thing is documentation. Keep everything - text messages about payments, your bank records showing cash withdrawals, calendar entries showing care dates, anything that proves you actually paid for legitimate childcare services. I also wrote a brief letter explaining the situation and attached it to my return, though I'm not sure if that helped or not. One thing that might work with your babysitter: explain that you're not reporting her to anyone or getting her in trouble. The IRS just needs to match up your claimed expenses with a real person/business. Maybe offer to show her the actual form so she can see it's just basic information, not some kind of investigation. But honestly? If she's being this difficult about basic tax requirements, you might want to start looking for a new childcare arrangement for next year. Most legitimate providers understand this is part of the deal when parents claim the credit.
This is really helpful advice, thank you! The documentation part makes me feel more confident about proceeding. I've been keeping pretty good records already - bank statements, text messages confirming dates and payments, even photos of my cash withdrawals that correspond to payment dates. I think you're right about having that conversation with her again. Maybe if I approach it more as "this is just standard paperwork" rather than making it sound like a big deal, she might be more cooperative. I could even print out the relevant IRS publication that explains the requirement so she can see it's not something I'm making up. The 6-week delay is definitely not ideal, but honestly it's better than I was expecting based on some horror stories I've heard. As long as I eventually get my refund, I can deal with waiting a bit longer. And you're absolutely right about considering other arrangements for next year. This has been way more stressful than it should be for what's supposed to be basic tax documentation. Thanks for sharing your experience!
I'm currently dealing with this same issue! My nanny has been watching my two kids for almost a year and I just realized I need her SSN for my taxes. When I brought it up, she got really defensive and said she "doesn't mix personal information with work." Reading through all these responses has been super helpful. I think I'm going to try the approach someone mentioned about showing her the IRS publication that explains it's a legal requirement. Maybe if she sees it's not just me being nosy, she'll be more understanding. The "REFUSED" option is good to know about as a backup plan. I was panicking thinking I'd lose the entire credit if I couldn't get her information. A 6-week delay isn't great but it's better than losing thousands of dollars in tax credits. Has anyone had luck offering to help their caregiver understand the tax implications on their end? Like maybe explaining that they can deduct business expenses or something? I'm wondering if her reluctance is coming from not understanding how to handle the income reporting rather than just being difficult.
I'm confused about one thing - if I get inventory through barter or trade (like I fix someone's computer and they give me items to sell in return), how do I value that for COGS? It's not exactly free but I didn't pay cash for it.
For barter transactions, you should report the fair market value of the items you received. The IRS considers barter as taxable transactions. So if you fixed a computer worth $200 in service and received items to sell, you'd record those items in your inventory at $200 value.
For what it's worth, I went through a similar situation with my small resale business. The key thing I learned is that proper documentation is everything, even when costs are minimal. I started keeping a simple log of every item I acquire - whether I paid $0, $5, or got it through trade. For each item, I note the date, description, source, and cost basis (even if $0). This creates a clear paper trail that shows you're being methodical about tracking inventory. What really helped me was setting up a basic system where I photograph items when I get them and keep digital receipts or notes about how they were acquired. When something is truly free, I document it as "gift from [source]" with $0 cost basis. The $275 you spent is actually significant enough that you definitely want to track it properly. Don't let the small amount fool you into thinking it's not worth doing correctly - the IRS cares more about proper reporting than the actual dollar amounts for small businesses.
This is really helpful advice! I'm just starting out with my own small resale business and was wondering about the documentation part. Do you use any specific app or software for photographing and organizing the items, or just your phone camera and basic file organization? Also, when you say "digital receipts" for free items, do you mean like taking a photo of a simple handwritten note, or something more formal?
23 What software are people using to file their 1099-NECs? I have about 15 to file from my SMLLC and don't want to do them manually.
8 I've been using QuickBooks for my SMLLC. It lets you track contractor payments throughout the year and then automatically generates and files the 1099-NECs in January. It's pricey but worth it if you have multiple contractors. If you're looking for something cheaper, I've heard good things about Track1099 as a standalone service specifically for filing information returns.
Just to add another perspective here - I ran into this exact same issue with my SMLLC last year and ended up getting audited partly because I was inconsistent with how I handled the 1099s. The IRS examiner made it very clear that for 1099-NEC forms, you should use your LLC name and EIN as the payer, even though it's a disregarded entity. She explained that the "disregarded" status only applies to income tax reporting (where your LLC income flows through to your personal return), but NOT to information returns like 1099s. Think of it this way: your contractors worked for "Your LLC Name" not for you personally. That's the business entity they invoiced and that's what should appear on their 1099s. Using your personal name and SSN can create matching problems in the IRS system and potentially trigger notices for both you and your contractors. One tip: make sure your business bank account is also under the LLC name with the EIN. This creates a clean paper trail that matches your 1099 filings.
This is really helpful context about the audit experience! I'm curious - when you say you were "inconsistent" with how you handled the 1099s, do you mean you used different payer information on different forms, or that you switched approaches between tax years? I'm trying to make sure I get this right from the start since it sounds like the IRS really pays attention to these details. Also, did the examiner mention anything about penalties for getting the payer information wrong initially?
Malik Jackson
Has anyone else noticed that withholding seems super messed up lately? I claimed 0 dependents like OP but I'm still getting way less taken out than last year. I'm worried I'll owe a ton when I file.
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Isabella Oliveira
ā¢Check your pay stubs carefully. I noticed my company somehow changed my filing status to "married" when I updated some other HR info, which reduced my withholding. Maybe something similar happened to you?
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Oliver Becker
Connor, you're definitely not overthinking this! Your approach is actually really smart - claiming 0 dependents on your W-4 will indeed maximize your withholding throughout the year, which often leads to a larger refund when you file. The key thing to remember is that your W-4 withholding and your actual tax return are two completely separate processes. Your W-4 is just telling your employer how much to withhold from each paycheck as an estimate, while your tax return reflects your actual tax situation for the year. Since you have the legal right to claim your son as a dependent for the 2025 tax year (based on your custody agreement), you can absolutely claim him when you file your return, regardless of what you put on your W-4. This might actually work out perfectly for you - you'll have extra tax withheld all year, then get credit for your dependent when you file, potentially resulting in a nice refund. Just make sure you keep good records of your custody arrangement and that you and your ex are crystal clear about who claims your son each year. Having it documented in your divorce decree is ideal. Good luck with the new job!
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Harper Thompson
ā¢This is such helpful advice! I'm in a similar post-divorce situation and was confused about this exact thing. One quick question though - when you say "keep good records of your custody arrangement," what specific documents should I be keeping? Is the divorce decree enough, or do I need to track something else like actual nights my daughter stays with me?
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