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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential for estimated tax payments. With $115K in W2G winnings hitting your AGI, you might owe significant taxes that weren't withheld, which could trigger underpayment penalties if you don't handle it properly. Even though you have offsetting losses, the IRS calculates penalties based on your tax liability throughout the year, not just what you owe at filing. Your CPA should be able to help you determine if you need to make an estimated payment for Q1 2025 to avoid penalties, or if you qualify for any safe harbor provisions. Also, keep in mind that if your gambling was spread across multiple tax years (like if some of those W2Gs are from late 2024 transactions), you'll need to match your wins and losses to the correct tax year for each session. Online casinos sometimes issue W2Gs in January for December activity, which can complicate things. The documentation tools others mentioned like taxr.ai could be really helpful for organizing this by tax year and ensuring everything matches up correctly. Good luck with your CPA appointment!
This is a really important point about estimated payments that I hadn't considered! I'm definitely concerned about penalties since I usually get a refund and have never had to make estimated payments before. All of my gambling activity was in 2024, so at least I don't have to worry about splitting across tax years. But you're right that even with my net losses, the IRS might still expect payments throughout the year based on the W2G amounts. Do you know if there's a way to calculate what the penalty might be, or is that something my CPA would need to figure out? I'm already stressed about the tax implications, and the thought of additional penalties is making it worse. I should probably mention this concern specifically when I meet with my CPA next week.
I went through something very similar last year with about $85K in W2Gs but an overall net loss. A few key things that helped me navigate this mess: First, don't panic about the estimated payment penalties. There are safe harbor rules - if you paid at least 100% of last year's tax liability through withholding and estimated payments (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150K), you won't owe penalties regardless of what you owe this year. Since you mentioned usually getting refunds, you might already be covered. Second, definitely get those casino statements ASAP. I found that FanDuel and BetMGM were pretty good about providing detailed win/loss statements, but it took a few weeks to get them. Don't just rely on your downloaded transaction history - the official statements carry more weight. Third, regarding your benefits concerns - yes, the increased AGI will likely affect your healthcare subsidies and your son's FAFSA. However, there might be some flexibility depending on when you file and when those determinations are made. Your CPA might suggest strategies around timing or amended returns if needed. The session method documentation is crucial, but make sure your CPA is experienced with gambling taxes. Not all CPAs are comfortable with this area, and you want someone who knows the ins and outs of AM-2008-011. It made a huge difference having someone who understood the nuances rather than someone just winging it. Hang in there - it's stressful but definitely manageable with proper documentation and the right professional help!
Thank you so much for sharing your experience - this is incredibly helpful! I'm feeling a bit more optimistic knowing someone else navigated a similar situation successfully. Regarding the safe harbor rules, I think I should be okay since I usually have more than enough withheld from my regular job (hence the usual $13K refunds). That's a huge relief about the penalty concerns. You're absolutely right about finding a CPA experienced with gambling taxes. The one I have an appointment with next week specializes in this area, which I found after calling around specifically looking for someone familiar with AM-2008-011. One question - when you mentioned potential strategies around timing or amended returns for the benefits impact, can you elaborate on that? I'm particularly worried about the healthcare subsidies since we rely on those pretty heavily, and I'm not sure how quickly those recalculations happen once I file. Also, did you end up using any of those documentation tools others mentioned, or did you organize everything manually? With $115K in W2Gs, I'm looking at a lot of transactions to sort through.
Does your parenting plan specifically state who claims which child each year? Or does it just say you "split" them? This could make a difference.
I understand your frustration completely. The disconnect between family court orders and actual IRS rules creates these impossible situations for parents. Based on what you've described, you likely had your son for significantly more than 183 nights this year (the IRS threshold for custodial parent status), especially with that 4-month absence. Under IRS rules, the custodial parent has the primary right to claim the child as a dependent. However, you're caught between two systems: the IRS rules that would likely support your claim, and a court order that could hold you in contempt if violated. My suggestion would be to document everything - every night each child stayed with you versus your ex, all expenses you covered during the absence period, any communication about the missed parenting time. Then consider going back to court specifically requesting a one-year modification to the tax arrangement based on the actual custody time this year, not a permanent change to the parenting plan. You might also want to speak directly with an IRS agent about your specific situation. They can clarify whether your actual custody time this year would qualify you as the custodial parent under their rules, which could strengthen your position if you need to return to family court.
Just to clarify something that hasn't been mentioned yet - the routing number for Cash App is actually the routing number for Sutton Bank or Lincoln Savings Bank (depending on when you opened your account). I remember back in 2022 when I first used Cash App for taxes, I was confused about this. Make sure you're using the routing and account numbers shown specifically in the Cash App direct deposit section, not just your Cash App $cashtag. The IRS doesn't recognize $cashtags, only proper bank routing and account numbers.
I've been using Cash App for tax refunds for the past three years and wanted to share my experience. My DDDs were typically in late February, and I consistently received my refunds 1-2 days early each time. What I really appreciate is the instant notification when the deposit hits - no more obsessively checking my account balance! One tip I'd add to what others have mentioned: make sure your Cash App account is fully verified before tax season. I learned this the hard way my first year when there was a brief delay because my identity verification wasn't complete. Also, keep screenshots of your routing and account numbers from the app when you file, just in case you need them for reference later. Overall, I've had a very positive experience and would recommend it, especially if you like getting your money a bit earlier than expected!
Thanks for the detailed breakdown and the verification tip! I'm new to both Cash App and filing taxes electronically, so this is really helpful. Quick question - when you say "fully verified," does that mean uploading ID documents and SSN verification, or is there more to it? I want to make sure I don't run into any delays like you mentioned. Also, did you ever have any issues with the IRS accepting the Sutton Bank routing number that someone mentioned earlier?
I've been a domestic missionary for 7 years now and I handle my taxes by setting up as a sole proprietor with a Schedule C. I track all income from churches as "Professional Services" and keep careful records of my ministry-related expenses. One thing thats often confusing is when churches give "love offerings" vs regular support. My CPA says that if theres an expectation of service (like regular monthly support) its taxable self-employment income, but true "gifts" with no expectation of service might not be taxable.
This is great info! Do you have any recommendations for tracking expenses when you travel to multiple churches? I struggle with knowing what percentage of my car/meals/etc to attribute to ministry vs personal use.
For tracking travel expenses, I keep a detailed ministry mileage log with the date, destination, purpose, and miles for each trip. The IRS standard mileage rate for 2025 is 70 cents per mile for business use. For meals, you can only deduct 50% of the cost if they're directly related to your ministry work (like taking a church leader to lunch to discuss your ministry). The key is documenting the business purpose. I use a simple spreadsheet or phone app to track everything in real-time. For mixed-use trips (like visiting family while also speaking at a church), you can only deduct the portion that's genuinely ministry-related. Keep receipts and notes about the ministry purpose - this documentation is crucial if you ever get audited. A good rule of thumb: if you wouldn't have made the trip without the ministry purpose, it's likely deductible. But personal activities tacked onto ministry trips aren't.
One important aspect that hasn't been fully covered is quarterly estimated tax payments. As a missionary receiving support from multiple sources, you'll likely need to make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid underpayment penalties, especially since churches typically don't withhold taxes from their support payments. The IRS generally requires you to pay at least 90% of the current year's tax liability or 100% of last year's (110% if your prior year AGI was over $150,000) through withholding and estimated payments. Since missionary income can be irregular, I recommend setting aside 25-30% of each support payment for taxes and making quarterly payments using Form 1040ES. Also, don't forget about the potential for state tax implications. Some states have different rules for religious workers, and if you're traveling between states for ministry work, you might have multi-state tax filing requirements depending on where your supporting churches are located and where you perform your ministry activities. It's worth consulting with a tax professional who has experience with missionary taxation, as the intersection of self-employment rules, religious worker provisions, and multiple income sources can get quite complex.
This is really helpful advice about quarterly payments! I'm just starting to transition from regular employment to receiving church support, and I hadn't even thought about the quarterly payment requirements. Do you know if there's a safe harbor rule for first-year missionaries? Like if this is my first year receiving irregular church support instead of regular W-2 income, are there any special provisions for estimating what I'll owe? I'm worried about either overpaying throughout the year or getting hit with penalties because I underestimated. Also, regarding the multi-state issue - if I'm based in one state but receive support from churches in other states, do I need to file in those states too, or just where I'm domiciled?
The Boss
Just wanted to add that there's a specific order of operations for claiming the self-employed health insurance deduction. It goes on line 16 of Schedule 1, not as a business expense on Schedule C. The amount can't exceed your husband's net earnings from self-employment. Also, if either of you were eligible for employer-sponsored coverage during any month, you can't claim the deduction for those months, even if you didn't enroll in that coverage.
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Evan Kalinowski
ā¢Does Medicare count as "employer-sponsored coverage" for this purpose? My wife is on Medicare but I'm self-employed and wondering if I can still take the deduction for her supplemental plans.
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Oliver Cheng
ā¢Medicare generally doesn't count as "employer-sponsored coverage" for the self-employed health insurance deduction since it's a government program, not an employer plan. You should be able to deduct premiums for Medicare supplemental plans (Medigap) and Medicare Advantage plans as long as you meet the other requirements - filing jointly and having sufficient self-employment income to cover the deduction. However, if your wife has access to employer-sponsored coverage through a current job (even part-time work), that could disqualify the deduction for those months. The key is whether she's eligible for subsidized coverage from an employer, not whether she actually enrolls in it.
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Ravi Sharma
I'm in a very similar situation - my wife retired last year and gets health insurance through her former employer's retiree plan, with premiums deducted after-tax from her pension. I was initially confused about whether I could claim these on my self-employment return. After researching this extensively and consulting with a tax professional, I can confirm what others have said: yes, you can deduct these premiums as long as they're paid after-tax and you file jointly. The key things to remember: 1. The deduction is limited to your husband's net self-employment income 2. You can't claim it for any months where either of you were eligible for subsidized employer coverage elsewhere 3. Keep good records showing the premiums were paid with after-tax dollars One practical tip: I set up a separate checking account that my business uses to reimburse my wife for her health insurance premiums each month. This creates a clear paper trail showing the business is paying for the coverage, which makes the deduction cleaner if you ever get audited. The fact that it's retiree coverage through your former employer doesn't disqualify it - what matters is that you're paying for it with after-tax money and your husband has the self-employment income to support the deduction.
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