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Might be a dumb question but does taking online classes from your home country count as being "present in the US" for the substantial presence test? I was stuck in my home country during part of 2022 due to COVID but still enrolled in US university online.
No, online classes from your home country definitely don't count as physical presence. The substantial presence test is strictly about your physical location - you actually need to be on US soil for those days to count. Even if you were taking classes from a US university, if your body wasn't in the US, those days don't count.
Just wanted to add some clarity about the 5-year exempt period for F-1 students since there seems to be some confusion in the thread. The 5 calendar years start counting from the first year you were present in the US on F-1 status, regardless of how many days you were actually here. So for the original poster who first entered in 2019, your exempt years would be 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023. This means 2024 would be your first year where days count toward the substantial presence test. However, since you were only present for about 240 days in 2024 (and this is your first countable year), you likely don't meet the substantial presence test yet and would still file as a non-resident alien using Form 1040NR. One important thing to remember: even as a non-resident alien, your US-source income (like your on-campus job) is still fully taxable. You'll report this on Form 1040NR, and depending on your home country's tax treaty with the US, you might qualify for certain exemptions or reduced tax rates.
This is super helpful clarification! I'm also an F-1 student and was getting confused about when the 5-year clock starts ticking. So just to confirm my understanding - if someone first entered the US on F-1 status in August 2021, their exempt years would be 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025, meaning 2026 would be their first year where days actually count toward the substantial presence test? And it doesn't matter if they left the US and came back multiple times during those years - it's still based on those 5 calendar years?
One thing to remember that no one mentioned - if u don't have a business license and ur supposed to in ur city, the IRS might share info with local authorities which could lead to fines. Happened to my friend! Also don't forget about self-employment taxes (15.3%) on top of regular income tax. Those hit hard when ur not expecting them!
Is that true about the IRS sharing info with local authorities? I thought tax info was confidential. I've been reselling stuff online without a license for 2 years now...
The IRS generally keeps tax information confidential, but there are exceptions. They can share information with state and local tax authorities under certain circumstances, especially when investigating tax compliance issues. However, they typically don't proactively report business license violations to local authorities. That said, if local authorities are already investigating unlicensed business operations, they might request information from the IRS as part of their investigation. The bigger risk is usually that operating without a required license could undermine your position if the IRS questions whether you're running a legitimate business versus just trying to deduct personal expenses. For reselling, you might want to check if your city/state requires a reseller's permit or business license once you hit certain income thresholds. Better to be proactive than deal with potential issues later!
Great question! I was in a similar situation last year with my freelance graphic design work. The key thing to understand is that business expenses are deductible based on whether you're legitimately running a business, not whether you have a license. However, I'd strongly recommend getting that business license sooner rather than later. While it won't change your tax deductions, it protects you legally and shows the IRS you're serious about your business operations. Plus, at $23k in income, you're definitely past the "hobby" threshold. Make sure you're tracking that business use percentage accurately for mixed-use items like your laptop and internet. The IRS loves documentation, so keep detailed records of when and how you use these items for business. Also, don't forget to set aside money for self-employment taxes - they caught me off guard my first year! One last tip: consider opening a separate business bank account even without the license. It makes tracking expenses so much easier and creates a clear separation between personal and business finances.
This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the separate business bank account - do you think that's necessary even for smaller side gigs? I've been mixing everything in my personal account and it's getting messy trying to sort out what's business vs personal when I'm doing my expense tracking. Also, did you find any banks that offer good business accounts for freelancers without requiring a business license upfront?
I'm so sorry you're going through this - 130 weeks is absolutely outrageous! I just joined this community because I'm dealing with a similar nightmare with my 2021 amended return (currently at 92 weeks and counting). Reading through all the advice here has been incredibly helpful. The congressional inquiry route seems to be the most effective option based on the multiple success stories shared. What really struck me was @Roger Romero's explanation about how many 2021 amended returns got stuck in "suspended status" due to system changes in late 2022 - that perfectly explains why so many of us are dealing with these extreme delays for that specific tax year. I had no idea that congressional offices have direct IRS liaisons specifically for these types of issues. It's frustrating that we have to go through our representatives to get the IRS to do their basic job, but if it works, it works! I'm planning to contact my representative's office this week after seeing how well it worked for others here. The fact that @Roger Romero got results after 95 weeks gives me hope that even these really long delays can be resolved. @Genevieve Cavalier - please keep us posted on what approach you decide to try! Your situation could really help others who are stuck in the same boat. We shouldn't have to wait over 2 years for money we're legally owed. Hang in there!
I'm really glad I found this thread! I've been dealing with a similar situation with my 2020 amended return - it's been 156 weeks now and I was starting to lose hope completely. Seeing all the success stories here, especially from people who waited over 90+ weeks like @Roger Romero, gives me renewed motivation to keep fighting for my refund. The congressional inquiry approach seems like the clear winner based on everyone's experiences. I had no idea this was even an option! I always thought congressional offices only dealt with major policy issues, not individual tax problems. It's eye-opening to learn they have dedicated staff and direct IRS contacts specifically for helping constituents with these kinds of federal agency issues. What really resonates with me is the pattern everyone's describing - returns that aren't actually "being processed" but are stuck in various system limbo states. After calling the IRS dozens of times over the past 3 years, I've always gotten the same generic responses, but it sounds like the real answers only come when you get someone who can actually look into the internal systems. @Carmen Flores and @Genevieve Cavalier - I m going'to call my representative s office'tomorrow morning. If any of you try this approach, please share how it goes! We need to support each other through this frustrating process. Nobody should have to wait years for money they re legally'entitled to receive.
I'm so sorry you're dealing with this incredibly frustrating situation - 130 weeks is absolutely unacceptable! After reading through all the excellent advice and success stories shared here, I'd strongly recommend starting with a congressional inquiry as your first step. Based on the experiences shared by multiple community members, this approach seems to have the highest success rate for these extreme delays. Contact your representative's local district office (not their DC office) and explain that you've been waiting 2.5 years for your amended return to process. They'll have you fill out a privacy release form, and their office has dedicated staff with direct IRS liaison contacts specifically for resolving these types of federal agency issues. What really stands out from everyone's stories is that these returns aren't actually "being processed" - they're stuck in various system limbo states. As @Roger Romero explained, many 2021 amended returns got caught up in system changes implemented in late 2022 and ended up in suspended queues that weren't being actively worked. Congressional inquiries force the IRS to manually locate and prioritize these stuck cases. You should also contact the Taxpayer Advocate Service at 1-877-777-4778 - after 130 weeks, you definitely qualify for their assistance due to excessive processing delays. Don't give up! $1,890 is a significant amount and you've already waited far too long. Please keep us updated on your progress - your experience could really help others facing similar delays. We're all rooting for you!
Just checking - have you contacted the original company that sponsored your H2B visa? They're the ones who are legally responsible for your employment, and they might not even know this "contractor" is handling things improperly. When I worked on an H2B at a resort, something similar happened, and when I contacted HR at the main company, they were horrified and fixed the situation immediately.
This is actually really good advice. I work in HR for a company that uses H2B workers, and we'd want to know immediately if one of our contractors was mishandling visa workers. There could be serious consequences for the sponsoring company if this isn't addressed!
This situation is absolutely unacceptable and potentially illegal. As an H2B visa holder, you have specific legal protections that are being violated here. The fact that you're working through a "contractor" instead of your actual visa sponsor, receiving payments from various bank accounts, and getting payslips via WhatsApp are all major red flags indicating potential visa fraud and tax evasion. DO NOT provide your SSN for a 1099 - this would make you complicit in tax fraud since H2B workers must be W-2 employees with proper withholding. I'd recommend taking these immediate steps: 1) Contact the DOL's National H-2B Fraud Detection Unit at 1-866-4-USWAGE, 2) Report this to ICE since it involves visa fraud, and 3) Contact an immigration attorney who handles H2B cases. Document everything - those WhatsApp messages, payment records, and any communication about the 1099. This contractor setup is designed to avoid paying proper taxes and could jeopardize your visa status. Your sponsoring employer needs to be made aware immediately as they're legally responsible for ensuring you're properly employed and classified.
This is incredibly helpful information, thank you! I had no idea there was a specific H-2B Fraud Detection Unit. Quick question - if I contact the DOL fraud unit, will they keep my identity confidential? I'm worried about retaliation since I still need to work and my housing is tied to this job. Also, do you know if there are any free legal resources specifically for H2B workers who can't afford an immigration attorney?
Freya Larsen
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation as a Canadian citizen with a Delaware LLC (mistake on my part - should have gone with Wyoming!). Just wanted to confirm something based on what I'm reading here: if I'm providing digital marketing services to US clients entirely from my home office in Toronto, I would use W-8BEN-E and NOT claim any effectively connected income, correct? My services are performed 100% remotely with no US physical presence. Also, the Form 5472 requirement is news to me - I've been operating for 8 months and had no idea about this filing obligation. Is there any relief for reasonable cause if you genuinely didn't know about the requirement? That $25k penalty is absolutely terrifying for a small business owner. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world guidance that's impossible to find in IRS publications!
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PixelPrincess
ā¢Yes, you're correct about the W-8BEN-E! Since you're providing services entirely from Toronto with no US physical presence, your income wouldn't be considered effectively connected with a US trade or business. The W-8BEN-E is the right form for your situation. Regarding Form 5472 relief - there is a "reasonable cause" exception, but it's pretty strict. You'd need to demonstrate that you exercised ordinary business care and prudence but still couldn't comply due to circumstances beyond your control. Simply not knowing about the requirement typically isn't enough for the IRS, unfortunately. However, I'd strongly recommend consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international situations. They might be able to help you get into compliance and potentially argue reasonable cause if you file voluntarily before any IRS contact. The sooner you address it, the better your position will be. Also, totally agree on the Delaware vs Wyoming choice - I learned that lesson the hard way too! Wyoming's no state tax and simpler compliance requirements are definitely better for remote international operators.
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Keisha Williams
As someone who went through this exact same situation last year (UK citizen with US LLC operating from Thailand), I can confirm that W-8BEN-E is absolutely the correct form for your situation. The W-9 is only for US persons. One thing I'd add that hasn't been fully emphasized - make sure you understand the tax treaty benefits between the US and Paraguay. You may be able to claim reduced withholding rates or exemptions on certain types of income under the treaty. When filling out the W-8BEN-E, there's a section specifically for claiming treaty benefits that could save you money. Also, I'd strongly recommend getting familiar with your Paraguay tax obligations too. Even though you're not paying US income tax on this income (assuming it's not effectively connected), you'll likely need to report and pay tax on it in Paraguay as a resident there. The learning curve is steep but once you get the paperwork sorted with your first client, you can use the same documentation for future clients. Just make sure to keep your W-8BEN-E forms updated - they're generally valid for 3 years but certain changes in circumstances can invalidate them sooner.
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Alicia Stern
ā¢This is really helpful perspective, especially about the Paraguay tax obligations! I hadn't really thought deeply about the home country reporting requirements. Quick question - when you mention tax treaty benefits between US and Paraguay, how do I actually find out what those are? Is there a specific resource or database where I can look up the treaty provisions that might apply to my consulting income? I want to make sure I'm not leaving money on the table by not claiming benefits I'm entitled to. Also, you mentioned the 3-year validity period for W-8BEN-E forms - do you just proactively send updated forms to all your clients every 3 years, or do you wait for them to request new ones? Trying to figure out the best way to manage this ongoing requirement.
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