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Has anyone used the IRS's Direct Pay system for estimated payments? I'm about to submit my Q2 payment (late, I know) and wondering if there's anything I should know before using it. Does it automatically apply the payment to the right quarter? I'm now second guessing all my calculations after reading this thread about the publication issues.
Direct Pay is actually pretty straightforward. It allows you to select which estimated tax period you're paying for (Q1, Q2, etc.) and applies it correctly. Just make sure you select "Estimated Tax" as the reason for payment and then choose the correct tax period from the dropdown. I've used it for all my quarterly payments and it's worked fine. One tip though - save or print the confirmation page after submitting payment! The IRS doesn't send confirmation emails, and that confirmation page is your only proof of payment until it shows up on your account transcript.
I ran into this exact same issue last month! The Publication 505 worksheets are definitely confusing when you have irregular income starting mid-year. I found that the problem with line 10 on Worksheet 2-3 is that it assumes you've already calculated certain figures that might not apply to your situation. Here's what worked for me: I focused primarily on Worksheet 2-7 since that's specifically designed for annualized income calculations. When it sends you to other worksheets, I only used the relevant portions and ignored the parts that created circular references. For Q2 with income starting then, make sure you're using the 2.4 multiplier (12 months รท 5 months from February through June) rather than the standard 4. This was the key mistake I was making initially. Also, don't feel bad about considering tax software at this point - sometimes it's worth paying for the peace of mind that the calculations are correct, especially when the IRS's own instructions are this confusing!
This exact issue cost us thousands last year. Check if ProSystem has the "Special Allocations" menu enabled for your partnership return. Sometimes section 59(e) fields are hidden unless you activate that module since they're considered special allocations. Also, make sure that in your C-corp return you've properly identified that you have partnership interests. Some tax software has quirks where partnership-related deductions won't show up unless you've properly set up the ownership structure.
Is this still an issue in the 2024 version of ProSystem? I thought they fixed a lot of these interface problems in the last update.
I've dealt with this exact ProSystem FX issue before. The problem is likely that you need to enable the "Research and Experimental Expenditures" module in the partnership setup before Box 13J becomes available for data entry. Go to the partnership interview and look for questions about whether the partnership has research expenses, exploration costs, or other section 59(e) qualifying expenditures. If you answer "yes" to these screening questions, it should unlock the Box 13J field on the K-1. Once the partnership properly reports these expenditures on your C-corp's K-1, you'll make the actual 59(e) election on Form 4562 in your corporate return. The election lets you choose between immediate deduction or 10-year amortization of the qualifying expenses. Also worth noting - if your partnership has multiple types of section 59(e) expenditures (like both R&D and mineral exploration), make sure they're being separated properly on the K-1 since the election periods can differ.
This is incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with this exact issue for weeks. Just to clarify - when you say "Research and Experimental Expenditures" module, is this something I need to purchase separately or should it be included in the standard ProSystem FX package? I'm wondering if my firm's license doesn't include all the specialty modules, which might explain why I can't access certain fields. Also, do you know if there's a way to retroactively fix this for prior year returns where we might have missed reporting these expenditures properly?
As a newcomer to this community, I want to thank everyone for such a detailed and helpful discussion! I'm also dealing with K-1 forms for the first time and was completely confused about the relationship between section 1231 and 1250 gains. The example Andre provided really helped me understand - I was making the same mistake of thinking the Box 9c and Box 10 amounts should be added together rather than understanding that one is a subset of the other. One quick question for the group: if a partnership has section 1231 property that was never depreciated (like raw land held for business use), would there be any unrecaptured section 1250 gain reported when it's sold? Or does the section 1250 recapture only apply when there's been actual depreciation taken on the property? This thread has been incredibly educational - the U.S. tax system definitely has some unique complexities that aren't immediately obvious to those of us more familiar with other countries' approaches!
Great question, Romeo! You're absolutely right - section 1250 recapture only applies when there has been actual depreciation taken on the property. Raw land is not depreciable for tax purposes, so when you sell land that was held for business use, there would be no unrecaptured section 1250 gain to report. In that scenario, if the partnership sold the land at a gain, you'd see the full gain amount reported in Box 10 as section 1231 gain, but Box 9c would be blank (or show $0) since there's no depreciation to recapture. The entire gain would qualify for capital gains treatment rather than having any portion taxed at the higher 25% recapture rate. This is actually one of the advantages of investing in raw land from a tax perspective - when you eventually sell, the entire gain gets the preferential capital gains tax treatment (assuming it qualifies as section 1231 property and you don't have section 1231 losses from other transactions that year). Welcome to the community, by the way! These K-1 discussions can get quite complex, but this group is always helpful in breaking down the concepts.
This has been such an enlightening discussion! As someone new to U.S. tax concepts, I really appreciate how everyone broke down the section 1231/1250 relationship with concrete examples. I'm currently working through my first partnership K-1 and was getting tripped up by the same Box 9c vs Box 10 issue that Andre mentioned. The key insight that the unrecaptured section 1250 gain is a *component* of the section 1231 gain rather than an additional amount has completely clarified things for me. One follow-up question: when preparing the tax return, is there a specific order these forms need to be completed in? I'm wondering if I should start with Form 4797 for the section 1231 gain first, then move to Schedule D, or if there's a particular sequence that works best to ensure all the amounts flow through correctly. Also, for anyone else struggling with these concepts, I found it helpful to think of it like this: imagine the total gain as a pie, where the unrecaptured section 1250 portion is just one slice of that same pie, not a separate pie altogether. That mental image really helped me understand why we don't add the two amounts together. Thanks again to everyone who contributed - this community is incredibly knowledgeable and welcoming to newcomers!
Great question about the form order, Dyllan! You'll want to complete Form 4797 first since that's where you report the section 1231 gain from Box 10 of the K-1. The results from Form 4797 then flow to Schedule D, where the unrecaptured section 1250 gain from Box 9c gets its special tax treatment. Here's the typical sequence: Form 4797 โ Schedule D โ Form 1040 (for individuals) or Form 1120 (for corporations). This ensures all the gain amounts flow through properly and the different tax rates are applied correctly. I love your pie analogy! That's exactly the right way to think about it. Another way I explain it to clients is that it's like having a $100 bill where $25 of it is marked with a special stamp - it's still part of the same $100, but that $25 portion gets treated differently. The unrecaptured section 1250 gain is just the "specially marked" portion of your total section 1231 gain. Welcome to the community! These partnership K-1s can definitely be overwhelming at first, but once you understand the basic concepts, they become much more manageable.
Has anyone used the "Sale of Business Property" worksheet in FreeTaxUSA specifically? I'm having similar issues and the interface is confusing me.
I went through this exact same situation last year with a business vehicle that was about 15% business use. The key thing that helped me was understanding that FreeTaxUSA handles this differently than you might expect. When you go to "Income" โ "Less Common Income" โ "Sale of Business Property", make sure you're entering ONLY the business portion of everything. So if your vehicle was 10% business use: - Original cost: $2,550 (10% of $25,500) - Accumulated depreciation: $1,350 (what you actually claimed) - Sales price: $1,980 (10% of $19,800) This gives you an adjusted basis of $1,200 ($2,550 - $1,350) and a gain of $780 ($1,980 - $1,200). The $380 in additional taxes you're seeing is likely correct - it's roughly 25-28% of that $780 gain (depending on your tax bracket). I know it feels unfair since you lost money overall, but the IRS treats the business and personal portions completely separately. The personal loss isn't deductible, and the business portion shows a gain due to the depreciation you've already benefited from over the years. Make sure you're not double-entering anything in the vehicle expenses section of Schedule C once you've reported the sale on Form 4797.
This is exactly the breakdown I needed! Thank you for laying out the specific numbers. I was getting confused because I kept thinking about the total $5,700 loss, but you're right that the IRS only cares about the business portion. So just to confirm my understanding: the $380 additional tax is on the $780 business gain, and there's literally nothing I can do about the $5,130 personal portion loss ($5,700 total minus $570 business loss) - that's just gone from a tax perspective? Also, when you mention not double-entering in the vehicle expenses section, should I remove all the depreciation entries I made for this vehicle from my Schedule C since I'm now reporting the sale on Form 4797?
NeonNebula
Just want to add another important point - make sure you write "Prior Year Return - [Tax Year]" in big letters on the top of your 1040 form and on the outside of the envelope. This helps ensure it gets routed to the right department at the IRS processing center. And definitely use trackable shipping! I learned this lesson the hard way when the IRS claimed they never received my 2019 return, and I had no proof of delivery.
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Isabella Costa
โขDoes it matter what color pen you use to write "Prior Year Return" on the form? I've heard blue is better than black because it shows it's an original not a photocopy?
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NeonNebula
โขThe color of pen doesn't matter for writing "Prior Year Return" on the form. The IRS doesn't have any official guidance about blue vs. black ink for this purpose. What matters most is that it's clearly visible. Blue ink might help distinguish an original signature from a photocopy in some cases, but for the "Prior Year Return" notation, either color works fine as long as it's legible. The most important thing is making sure it's prominently displayed so your return gets routed correctly.
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Ravi Malhotra
I'm also in California and had to file a prior year return last month. I sent mine to the Ogden, Utah address that others mentioned, and got my refund about 6 weeks later, so can confirm that's correct. One thing to note - prior year paper returns take FOREVER to process compared to current year e-filed returns. The IRS is still catching up on their backlog, so be prepared to wait 3-4 months minimum. If you're expecting a refund, don't count on seeing that money anytime soon!
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Freya Christensen
โขDid you get any kind of confirmation when they received your return? I sent mine 2 months ago and have heard nothing...starting to worry it got lost.
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Diego Vargas
โขI didn't get any immediate confirmation when they received it, but you can check the processing status using the IRS "Where's My Refund" tool online if you're expecting a refund. For prior year returns without refunds, there's unfortunately no easy way to track them. If you're really worried it got lost, you could try calling the IRS (or using that Claimyr service others mentioned) to have them check if they received it. They should be able to look it up by your SSN. Two months isn't unusual for processing time though - I've heard some people waiting 4-6 months for prior year returns to be fully processed.
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