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I'm finally wrapping up my 2025 taxes (yeah, I filed that extension). I'm pretty meticulous with my tax prep and always enter everything into two different tax programs to cross-check the results before filing. It helps me catch any typos or misunderstandings about what's happening with my return. This year I'm using FreeTaxUSA and TurboTax, and they're giving me results that are about $2,700 different. After checking and rechecking all my entries multiple times, I've narrowed down the discrepancy to how each program calculates my Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) Foreign Tax Credit - specifically line 18 of the AMT version of Form 1116. TurboTax seems to be taking a literal interpretation of the Line 18 worksheet in the Form 1116 instructions without any adjustments. FreeTaxUSA, however, appears to be using a modified "AMT" amount for line 15, which takes my 1040 line 15, adds back the standard deduction, and adjusts my capital gains based on the higher computed income. I've been through the IRS documentation thoroughly and can't find clear guidance on this. Nothing explicitly states that the Line 18 Worksheet for the AMT version of Form 1116 should differ from the regular version, except maybe the basic Form 6251 guidance about adding things back. The AMT instructions are so sparse on which specific form lines need adjustment that I might have missed something. Which software is right? Should the Worksheet for Line 18 of the AMT version of Form 1116 include AMT adjustments or not? Or should I just go with whichever one gives me the bigger refund and blame the software if I get audited?
My employer offers a Simple IRA plan through Fidelity, and I'm trying to figure out the best contribution strategy. I'm planning to contribute just enough through my paycheck to get the full company match, but then make additional contributions directly to the IRA through Fidelity's website at the end of the year when I know how much more I can afford. My question is - if I make these direct contributions outside of payroll, can I still claim the tax deduction when I file my taxes? And am I missing out on any FICA tax benefits (Social Security and Medicare) by not having these additional contributions taken directly from my paycheck? I know with 401(k) plans there can be differences in how contributions are taxed depending on whether they go through payroll. Would appreciate any insights from people who've done this before!
Has anyone calculated exactly how much you lose by not getting the FICA tax savings? I'm trying to decide if it's worth the hassle of changing my payroll deduction midyear vs. just making a direct contribution in December.
It's pretty straightforward - you lose 7.65% of whatever amount you contribute directly instead of through payroll (6.2% for Social Security up to the wage base limit, plus 1.45% for Medicare). So if you're planning to contribute an extra $5,000 directly, you'd be missing out on $382.50 in FICA tax savings. Whether that's worth the hassle depends on your situation, but personally I'd take 5 minutes to fill out a form to save nearly $400.
Great discussion everyone! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation and wanted to add a few points based on my research: First, regarding the FICA savings calculation - it's worth noting that if you're already at or near the Social Security wage base limit ($160,200 for 2023, $168,600 for 2024), you might only be missing out on the 1.45% Medicare portion rather than the full 7.65%. This could change the math for higher earners. Second, I discovered that some employers allow you to make "catch-up" payroll deductions later in the year if you realize you want to contribute more. Mine lets me submit a form in November to increase my December contribution significantly, which gives me most of the year to figure out my finances while still getting the FICA benefits. Finally, don't forget about state tax implications - some states have different rules for how they treat retirement contributions, so the payroll vs. direct contribution choice might affect your state taxes differently than federal. Worth checking with a tax professional if you're in a state with high income taxes. The consensus here seems clear though - if your plan allows it and you can swing the cash flow, payroll deductions are almost always the better choice from a tax perspective.
Filing status: MFJ (first time as married filers) I received correspondence from the IRS requesting identity verification through ID.me or in-person verification at a Taxpayer Assistance Center. My question pertains to the selection methodology for verification requirements. Is this a universal requirement for all taxpayers in the 2024 filing season, or am I part of a subset that's been flagged for additional verification? I've meticulously prepared our documentation, including all W-2s, 1099s, and supporting schedules, but I'm curious if this verification step indicates a potential discrepancy or if it's simply standard protocol for certain filing scenarios. My spouse hasn't received a similar notice, which further prompts my inquiry about the selection criteria.
I went through this exact situation last year after getting married! It was frustrating at first, but the verification process ended up being pretty straightforward. I used the ID.me online option and was verified within 15 minutes. My refund was delayed by about 2 weeks compared to my typical timeline from previous years. Interestingly, my spouse and I both had to verify separately even though we filed jointly. Have you checked if your spouse also needs to verify but maybe the letter hasn't arrived yet?
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! This really puts my mind at ease knowing it's selective rather than universal. @ThunderBolt7 your airport security analogy is perfect - that's exactly how I'll think about it now. @Keisha Jackson that's interesting about both spouses needing to verify separately. I'll keep an eye out for another letter for my spouse, though nothing has arrived yet. I think I'll go with the ID.me online verification since several of you mentioned it's much faster than scheduling an in-person appointment. Has anyone had issues with the online verification not working properly, or is it pretty reliable? I'd rather not have to fall back to the TAC appointment if I can avoid it.
Welcome to the community! I went through ID.me verification about 6 months ago and it worked flawlessly - took maybe 10 minutes total. The system walks you through uploading a photo of your ID and taking a selfie, then sometimes you get connected to a live agent for a quick video chat to confirm your identity. The only hiccup I've heard about is if your phone camera quality isn't great or if your ID photo is blurry, but you can always retake them. Much better than trying to get a TAC appointment which can be booked out for weeks. Good luck with your verification!
Looking for reliable ways to track my refund status and get an actual estimate. Where's my refund tool isn't helping much and I need something more detailed. Starting to get frustrated with the lack of information.
just tried that taxr.ai thing someone mentioned above and WOW finally some actual answers! It showed me exactly why my refund was delayed (had a missing form) and what to do about it. Worth checking out fr
Same struggle here! Been waiting 8 weeks and "Where's My Refund" just says "still processing" ๐ The IRS really needs to step up their game with giving us actual useful information instead of these vague status updates that tell us nothing
Ugh tell me about it! 8 weeks is insane ๐ก I'm only at 3 weeks but already losing my mind. The "still processing" message is basically useless - like thanks IRS, super helpful ๐ Maybe I should try that taxr.ai thing people are talking about since the official tools are trash
We recently sold our laptop because we had to tighten our budget over the past year. We're now mainly using Apple devices (iPhones and iPads), but I'm worried about how I'll file taxes this year. I've always used TurboTax Deluxe because we need to file taxes that include our mortgage, charitable donations, and my son's college expenses. When I look at the TurboTax website, it seems like they only offer CD and download versions which obviously won't work without a laptop. Does anyone know if there's a way to use TurboTax Deluxe on an iPad or iPhone? I've tried other tax software in previous years, but honestly TurboTax has consistently gotten us the biggest refunds. Their step-by-step guidance through complicated scenarios like education credits has been super helpful. I really don't want to switch to another option or use the free version since our taxes are somewhat complicated. Any advice?
Anyone else notice that TurboTax mobile app doesn't support all the same forms as the desktop version? I tried using it last year for my side business and had to switch back to desktop for Schedule C. Has this been fixed in the newest version?
I'm in a similar situation - had to sell my laptop last year and now only have my iPhone and iPad. I've been using TurboTax Online (the web version) through Safari on my iPad for the past two years and it's worked great for my situation with mortgage interest, student loan interest, and charitable deductions. The key thing is to make sure you choose TurboTax Online, not try to download the desktop software. The online version has all the same features as the desktop version - I've compared my returns from when I had a laptop and the deductions found were identical. One tip: keep all your tax documents in your Photos app or a cloud service so you can easily access them while filling out forms. The iPad screen is plenty big enough to have the tax form open while referencing your documents. I actually prefer it now to the desktop experience!
NebulaNinja
Just wanted to add that I ran into this exact issue last year. After talking with several tax professionals, I learned that the AMT version of Form 1116 should use your AMT income figures rather than your regular taxable income. That's why FreeTaxUSA is giving you a different result than TurboTax. One thing to consider - if you're hit with AMT, you might be able to carry forward excess foreign tax credits to future years when you might not be in AMT. This has saved me thousands over time as those credits eventually get used. Also check if you qualify for the simplified limitation election for foreign tax credits, which might eliminate some of this complexity (though it sounds like your situation might be too complex for this).
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Javier Gomez
Does carrying forward excess foreign tax credits actually work if you're switching between being subject to AMT in some years but not others? I thought those credits were tracked separately and couldn't be mixed.
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NebulaNinja
Foreign tax credits are indeed tracked separately for regular tax and AMT purposes. If you have excess AMT foreign tax credits from a year when you're subject to AMT, those specific credits can only offset AMT in future years, not regular tax. Similarly, regular foreign tax credits can only offset regular tax in future years. This is why tax planning becomes so important when you have foreign income - you want to maximize the utilization of both credit types over time. Many people miss this distinction and end up with unusable credits.
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Emma Wilson
If you're dealing with AMT and Form 1116 regularly, I'd strongly recommend investing in professional tax software rather than consumer versions. I use Drake Software now after years of frustration with TurboTax and others. The professional versions have much better handling of complex situations like AMT foreign tax credit interactions. They also provide detailed worksheets showing their calculations so you can verify everything. For the specific issue you're asking about - the AMT Form 1116 calculations should definitely use your AMT-adjusted income figures. This is one area where consumer tax software often falls short because they don't always apply the AMT adjustments consistently across all related forms.
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Malik Thomas
Do you think it's worth paying for professional software if you only have this issue? Drake is expensive for a one-time use, right?
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Carmen Flores
You're right that professional software like Drake can be expensive for occasional use. However, given the complexity of AMT foreign tax credit calculations and the potential for errors that could trigger audits or result in overpaid taxes, it might be worth it even for one-time use. The cost of the software is often much less than the potential cost of getting it wrong. That said, if you're looking for a middle ground, some tax professionals will let you use their software for a consultation fee, or you could consider hiring a CPA who specializes in international tax issues for just this one complex area while doing the rest yourself. The peace of mind might be worth the extra cost, especially when dealing with AMT calculations that even consumer software struggles with.
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