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Honorah King

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What about using the "last-month rule" for HSA contributions? If your plan qualifies as an HDHP on December 1st, you can contribute the full year's amount. But you have to remain HSA-eligible for the "testing period" (through Dec 31 of the following year). If i were you id double check if your wife's new plan (after the company acquisition) might qualify as an HDHP, even if her old one didnt.

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Oliver Brown

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The last-month rule only helps if at least one of them has family HDHP coverage though. It doesn't apply if they both have separate individual coverage - in that case they'd each be limited to the individual contribution amount regardless of the December 1st status.

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Luca Romano

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This is such a common confusion! I went through something similar when my spouse switched jobs mid-year. Here's what I learned from my CPA: The key issue is that for HSA purposes, you're only eligible for family contribution limits if you have actual family HDHP coverage OR if both spouses have qualifying individual HDHP coverage. Having separate individual plans where only one qualifies as an HDHP means you're limited to the individual contribution amount. Since your wife's HR confirmed her plan is NOT an HDHP (even with the high deductible), you're definitely looking at individual limits only. The good news is you caught this before the tax filing deadline, so you can reverse the excess without the 6% penalty. One thing to watch out for - when you reverse the excess contribution, make sure your HSA administrator also removes any earnings on that excess amount. Those earnings need to be reported as income for the year they're distributed. Also, if your wife gets new coverage through the acquisition that IS an HDHP, you could potentially use the last-month rule for future years, but that wouldn't help with your 2024 situation.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to all this HSA stuff and honestly had no idea there were so many rules beyond just having a high deductible. The earnings removal part is something I definitely wouldn't have thought of - would my HSA administrator handle that automatically when I request the excess contribution reversal, or do I need to specifically ask them to calculate and remove the earnings too? Also, just to make sure I understand correctly - even if my wife's new plan after the acquisition ends up being a qualifying HDHP, that wouldn't retroactively fix my 2024 over-contributions, right? I'd still need to reverse the excess for this year and could only potentially contribute the family amount starting in 2025?

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Forgot to file Form 8606 for 4 years of Backdoor Roth conversions - Do I need to amend my 1040s?

I've gotten myself into a bit of a tax situation and I'm trying to figure out if the fix will be simple or complicated. Since 2018, I've been doing the Backdoor Roth IRA strategy - making non-deductible IRA contributions with after-tax money, then immediately converting the funds to my Roth IRA. However, I just discovered my tax preparer hasn't been filing Form 8606 for any of these years (2018-2021). When I checked my IRS transcript, there's no record of the 8606 forms. I asked my preparer to file the missing 8606 forms and amend my 1040s, but he insisted it's unnecessary since I never took deductions and my taxes were prepared in a way that prevented double taxation of the IRA distributions. I don't want to argue with him, but I need this fixed properly to avoid problems down the road. I've spent hours reconstructing my 8606 basis from 2018-2021. Here's my situation: - All contributions to my traditional IRA were non-deductible and made with after-tax dollars - I converted 100% to Roth as soon as the funds were available - This is my only IRA/Roth account, so no pro-rata rule complications - My 1099-Rs show the distributions as taxable, but I never paid tax on them - Lines 4A/4B on my 1040s for these years are completely blank - For 2019, I made contributions around January 2020 and converted then My main question: I know I need to file the missing 8606 forms for all these years, but do I also need to amend my 1040s? I'm hoping amendments aren't necessary since I didn't take deductions and didn't pay taxes on the distributions - meaning I shouldn't owe additional tax or be due any refunds. I'm planning to meet with a new tax preparer, but want to educate myself first. For reference, here's what I've reconstructed for my 8606 forms (lines 15c and 18 would be 0 for every year): 2018: $7,000 contribution, $7,000 conversion 2019: $7,500 contribution, no conversion that year 2020: $7,500 contribution, $15,000 conversion (including 2019 contribution) 2021: $7,500 contribution, $7,500 conversion Thanks for any insights!

I'm dealing with a similar situation right now! My tax preparer also missed filing 8606 forms for three years of backdoor Roth conversions. After reading through all these responses, I think the consensus is pretty clear - you definitely need to file those missing 8606 forms ASAP. Based on what everyone's saying, it sounds like you'll likely need to amend your 1040s too since your lines 4a/4b are blank. The IRS expects to see those conversion amounts reported even if the taxable portion is $0. That's a pretty significant oversight that could cause problems down the road. I'm planning to file the missing 8606 forms first with that Section 301.9100-2 relief provision noted at the top, then work on amendments for the 1040s. The good news is that since we both made non-deductible contributions and didn't take any deductions, there shouldn't be any additional tax owed - just paperwork to clean up. Definitely find a new tax preparer who actually understands retirement account rules! The fact that yours insisted the forms weren't necessary is a huge red flag. These forms are literally required by law when you make non-deductible IRA contributions.

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This is really helpful to see someone else going through the same thing! I'm feeling much more confident about the path forward after reading everyone's experiences here. The Section 301.9100-2 relief provision seems to be the key for avoiding penalties on the late 8606 forms. One thing I'm still unclear on - should I file all the missing 8606 forms first and then tackle the 1040 amendments, or do them simultaneously? I'm leaning toward your approach of doing the 8606s first since those establish the basis, then amending the returns to properly report the conversions on lines 4a/4b. Also completely agree about finding a new preparer! It's concerning that a tax professional wouldn't know these forms are mandatory. Makes me wonder what other things might have been missed over the years.

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Lucy Lam

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I've been through this exact scenario and can confirm what others have said - you absolutely need those 8606 forms filed, and yes, you'll likely need to amend your 1040s too since lines 4a/4b are blank. Here's what worked for me: I filed the missing 8606 forms first (all four years separately by mail with the Section 301.9100-2 notation), then waited about 6 weeks before filing the 1040X amendments. The 8606s establish your basis, and the amendments fix the missing conversion reporting on your returns. The blank 4a/4b lines are definitely problematic. Even though your conversions were non-taxable, the IRS computers still expect to see those 1099-R amounts reported somewhere on your return. Without proper reporting, you're essentially sitting on a ticking time bomb for future audits. Your old preparer's advice was completely wrong - Form 8606 isn't optional when you make non-deductible IRA contributions. It's the ONLY way to prove to the IRS that you already paid tax on those dollars. Without it, they'll assume all your conversions are fully taxable if you ever get audited. The good news is this is fixable and you shouldn't owe any additional tax since you never took deductions. Just be prepared for some paperwork and definitely find a CPA who actually understands retirement accounts. I learned this lesson the hard way too!

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Alice Coleman

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This is exactly the kind of detailed guidance I was looking for! The timeline you described makes a lot of sense - filing the 8606s first to establish basis, then following up with the 1040X amendments after they've had time to process. I'm curious about one thing though - when you filed your amendments, did you need to include copies of the 8606 forms you had already submitted, or did the IRS systems automatically link them together? I want to make sure I don't create any confusion by sending duplicate paperwork. Also, how long did the whole process take from start to finish? I'm hoping to get this cleaned up before this year's tax season gets too crazy, but I want to set realistic expectations for how long the IRS will take to process everything. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really reassuring to know this worked out for someone else in the same situation!

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Nolan Carter

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Can confirm this is totally false! I'm a CPA and have clients who check their transcripts multiple times daily during tax season. The IRS transcript system is specifically designed for taxpayers to monitor their own accounts. What actually triggers audit flags are things like mathematical errors, unreported income mismatches, or claiming deductions that are way out of line for your income bracket. Checking your own tax records frequently is completely normal and expected behavior - you're not doing anything wrong!

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Thanks for the professional insight! As someone new to all this tax stuff, it's really reassuring to hear from a CPA that frequent checking is normal. I was getting paranoid after reading some scary posts online but this thread has been super helpful. Good to know the IRS actually designed the system for us to use it regularly šŸ™

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Julia Hall

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As someone who works in tax compliance, I can definitively say this is just a myth that gets passed around every tax season. The IRS transcript system logs show millions of legitimate taxpayer accesses daily - if frequent checking triggered audits, they'd be drowning in cases! The system is actually designed with rate limiting and security measures to handle normal usage patterns. Real audit triggers are data mismatches, income reporting discrepancies, or unusual deduction patterns. Check your transcript as much as you want - you're just exercising your right to monitor your own tax account šŸ‘

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Don't forget about state taxes! I sold some collectible comic books last year and was shocked that my state wanted a piece too. Depending on where you live, you might owe state income tax on the gains. Some states also have weird exceptions or special rates for collectibles.

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Eli Butler

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Yeah good point. In California they hit me with their regular income tax rate on my collectible sales, which was way higher than the federal 28% collectibles rate. Made a big difference in my overall tax bill!

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is timing considerations. If you're planning to sell multiple pieces, you might want to spread the sales across different tax years to manage your tax bracket, especially since collectibles are taxed at that higher 28% rate. Also, if any of the pieces have appreciated significantly since you inherited them, consider getting a current appraisal before selling. This can help establish fair market value for insurance purposes during the selling process, and it gives you documentation to support your sale price if the IRS ever questions it. For the $3,800-4,500 piece you mentioned, definitely keep detailed records of comparable sales you find online - screenshot them with dates. This kind of documentation can be really valuable if you need to justify your basis calculation later.

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Isabel Vega

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Great advice about timing and spreading sales across tax years! I hadn't thought about that strategy. Just to clarify though - when you say "manage your tax bracket," does the 28% collectibles rate apply regardless of your regular income tax bracket, or does your overall income level affect how collectibles are taxed? I'm trying to figure out if selling everything in one year versus spreading it out would make a meaningful difference for someone in a lower income bracket.

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Haley Stokes

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Hey Ben! I totally get the anxiety - I went through the exact same thing a few weeks ago. Like others mentioned, "Notice issued" usually just means they're sending you paperwork about some kind of adjustment or review. Since you claimed EIC, it's probably just their standard verification process. The good news is that your return is actually moving through the system rather than being stuck in limbo. Most of the time these notices are pretty routine - could be anything from verifying your income to a small calculation adjustment. Try to stay calm until you get the actual notice in the mail, then you'll know exactly what they need from you. Hang in there! šŸ’Ŗ

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Chloe Martin

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This is so helpful! I'm actually in a similar situation - got the "Notice issued" status last week and have been losing sleep over it. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here. Makes me feel like I'm not alone in this whole confusing process. Definitely going to try to stay positive until I see what the actual notice says!

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Yuki Tanaka

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Hey Ben! I completely understand your anxiety about this - I was in your exact shoes about 3 months ago. Got the dreaded "Notice issued" on my transcript and immediately thought the worst. Turns out it was just a CP05 notice asking me to verify some information since I also claimed EIC. The whole process took about 6-8 weeks but I eventually got my full refund. The waiting is honestly the hardest part, but try to remember that "Notice issued" means they're actually working on your case rather than it just sitting in a pile somewhere. Keep checking your mailbox and once you get the notice, it'll tell you exactly what they need. Most of the time it's way less scary than we imagine it to be! Hang in there - you've got this! šŸ™

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