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Peyton Clarke

2023 Audit & Penalties Issue - IRS not acknowledging withholdings

So I got audited for my 2023 return and it's a complete mess thanks to the lousy tax preparer I used. The audit letter says I owe $23,000 in taxes, but here's the thing - they completely ignored that I had over $18,500 withheld from my paychecks according to my W2! The IRS also slapped on penalties of about $6,750 calculated on the full $23,000 they claim I owe. But if they'd actually count my withholdings, I would only owe around $4,500 in actual taxes. I'm really confused about a few things: 1. Shouldn't the penalties be calculated on the actual amount I still owe ($4,500) rather than the full amount before withholdings? This would massively reduce what I owe in penalties. 2. Why isn't the auditor including my $18,500 of withholdings in their calculations? It's clearly shown on my W2! 3. The strangest part is the auditor's recommendation. She's telling me to just accept the $23,000 assessment, but then only pay the difference of $4,500 plus all the penalties through the online portal. She claims that after she closes the case, "another department" will eventually consider my withholdings. This sounds fishy to me... Has anyone dealt with this kind of audit situation before? I'm willing to pay what I legitimately owe, but the penalties seem way too high since they're ignoring my withholdings!

Vince Eh

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This is actually a relatively common issue with audits. What's happening is that the audit is focused on adjustments to your taxable income and tax liability, not on the payments/withholdings you've already made. The audit statement shows the full tax liability ($23,000) without accounting for withholdings because that's technically correct for that specific document - it's showing what your total tax should have been. Your withholdings aren't being disputed, they're just not part of the audit scope. Regarding penalties - unfortunately, yes, penalties are typically calculated on the full underpayment amount (the difference between what your actual tax should have been versus what was reported on your return). They don't subtract withholdings before calculating penalties. What your auditor is suggesting is the standard procedure. The audit establishes your correct tax liability, then you pay the difference plus penalties. Once the audit case is closed, account management (different department) reconciles your account and confirms all payments/withholdings.

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Peyton Clarke

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Thank you for explaining this! So are you saying I should just follow the auditor's recommendation? It just feels wrong to agree to a document that says I owe $23,000 when after withholdings it's actually $4,500. I'm worried this might cause problems later. Also, I'm still confused about the penalties. If I had $18,500 already withheld, doesn't that mean I was only short by $4,500, not the full $23,000? Why would I be penalized as if I hadn't paid anything?

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Vince Eh

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Yes, following the auditor's recommendation is generally your best path forward. The audit report establishes your correct tax liability - it's not a bill for what you currently owe. The actual amount due will be reflected in your account after everything is processed. Regarding penalties, they're calculated based on the underreported tax liability, not your final balance due. This is because the penalties are for the accuracy-related issues on your return (what you reported versus what you should have reported), not for failing to pay. Think of it this way: the withholdings were already credited to you regardless of the incorrect return, so they don't factor into the penalty calculations.

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Peyton Clarke

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Aria Khan

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Former tax professional here. A few things to consider: 1. Make sure you create and keep copies of everything - your W2s showing withholdings, the audit letter, and any responses. 2. If you do what the auditor suggests, get it in writing from them (email is fine) that they acknowledge your withholdings will be applied after the case is closed. 3. You might qualify for penalty abatement under First Time Penalty Abatement if you haven't had other penalties in the past 3 years. This is separate from the audit and you'd request it after the audit is closed. 4. The strangest part of your situation is that the tax preparer should have included your withholdings on the original return. This makes me wonder if they made other serious errors too.

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Peyton Clarke

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Thank you for this advice! The preparer definitely made multiple errors - that's why I got audited in the first place. I'll definitely ask for written confirmation about the withholdings. Do I need to wait until after the audit is completely closed to request the First Time Penalty Abatement, or can I mention it to the auditor now?

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Aria Khan

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You should wait until the audit is fully closed before requesting First Time Penalty Abatement. Auditors typically don't handle penalty abatement requests during the audit process. Once everything is settled and you've paid the adjusted amount, then submit your penalty abatement request. If you've had a clean compliance history for the past 3 tax years (no penalties), you have an excellent chance of getting the penalties removed. Just be aware this only applies to certain penalties like failure-to-file and failure-to-pay, not all audit-related penalties.

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Everett Tutum

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Did you sign the audit agreement yet? If not, you should specifically ask the auditor to note in the file that you had $18,500 in withholdings that should be applied to the $23,000 liability. While it's true another department handles this, having it documented by the auditor creates a paper trail.

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Sunny Wang

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This is important advice. I've been through an audit where information "got lost" between departments. Always get everything in writing and create documentation trails.

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