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Brianna Schmidt

If I'm fired can I get unemployment through California EDD?

So I got let go from my job last Friday and I'm honestly still in shock. I'd been there for almost two years as a logistics coordinator and my manager called me into a conference room out of nowhere and said they were 'moving in a different direction.' No warning, no write-ups that I know of, nothing. They gave me a small severance but told me my last day was effective immediately. I drove home just completely numb. Anyway I'm trying to figure out my next steps financially because I have rent due in three weeks and I honestly don't know how long it'll take me to find something new in this market. My roommate mentioned I should file for unemployment but I've never done this before and I'm not sure if being fired disqualifies me or not. I've heard mixed things - someone at a previous job told me years ago that you can only collect unemployment if you quit, which sounds backwards to me, but now I'm second-guessing everything. If I'm fired can I get unemployment in California? Does it matter why they fired me? I don't think I did anything wrong but I don't have anything in writing saying why. Any help is really appreciated right now.

Yes, you can absolutely file for unemployment if you were fired in California - being fired does NOT automatically disqualify you. The key thing California EDD looks at is the reason for the termination. If you were laid off or fired without a clear case of 'misconduct' on your part, you're generally eligible for UI benefits. Misconduct in California EDD's definition is pretty specific - it has to be something like willful disregard of your employer's interests, deliberate violations of company policy, or behavior showing you just didn't care about keeping your job. Getting fired for performance reasons, restructuring, budget cuts, or vague 'moving in a different direction' language typically does NOT rise to that level. Here's what you should do right now: 1. File your claim ASAP at UI Online through the California EDD website - your benefit year starts from when you file, not when you were fired 2. Be honest when describing your separation - just say you were terminated and explain what your employer told you 3. Keep filing your weekly certifications even if your claim is still pending Your employer will have a chance to respond to EDD with their version of the separation reason. If they claim misconduct, it might go to adjudication, but that doesn't mean you automatically lose.

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this is really helpful thank you. so even if they SAY i was fired for cause i can still fight it? because honestly i think they just wanted to push me out

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Exactly - you have the right to appeal any disqualification decision. The burden is actually on the employer to prove misconduct, not on you to prove you were innocent. Just document everything you remember about the situation now while it's fresh.

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Seconding all of this. I was fired two years ago and my employer tried to claim misconduct. California EDD investigated, I explained my side, and I was approved. The process works more fairly than people expect if you stay engaged with it.

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wait i thought you could only get unemployment if you got laid off not fired thats what i always heard

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That's actually a really common misconception. Laid off vs fired is not the determining factor - what matters is whether there was disqualifying misconduct. Plenty of people who are fired get approved for California EDD unemployment benefits every year.

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oh wow ok i had no idea. my cousin got denied after being fired but maybe she did something different

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Your cousin may have been denied for misconduct reasons OR she may not have appealed a denial that she could have won. A lot of people just accept the first decision without realizing they can appeal within 30 days.

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I went through this exact same thing about eight months ago - fired out of nowhere after a reorg, no documentation, similar situation to yours. Filed with California EDD the next day. My claim went into adjudication because my employer disputed the separation reason, and that's where I got completely stuck. Weeks went by with no updates on UI Online and I couldn't get anyone at EDD on the phone to save my life. Someone on a forum like this actually suggested I try Claimyr (claimyr.com) - it's a service that basically navigates the California EDD phone system and gets you connected to an actual agent. I was skeptical but at that point I'd been on hold for hours multiple times with no luck. Used it, got through to an EDD rep the same day, and she was able to tell me exactly what was causing the hold on my adjudication and what documentation I needed to submit. Claim was resolved within two weeks after that. Here's the video if you want to see how it works: https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10

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Oh man adjudication sounds scary - is that what happens to most people who get fired? Like is that automatically going to happen to me?

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Not necessarily automatically but when there's a disputed separation reason (meaning your employer tells EDD something different than what you say), it often triggers adjudication. Don't panic if it happens - it just means an EDD interviewer reviews both sides. The Claimyr thing is really worth bookmarking though for when/if you need to actually talk to someone.

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I've heard of Claimyr before too. A friend used it when her claim got stuck and said it was a lifesaver. The EDD phone lines are genuinely impossible sometimes.

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One practical thing to know: California EDD will contact your former employer as part of the claim process. Your employer has a limited window to respond and contest your claim. If they don't respond or if their stated reason doesn't meet the legal definition of misconduct, you get approved. 'Moving in a different direction' is not misconduct. Restructuring is not misconduct. Even performance issues usually don't meet the misconduct threshold unless there were clear written warnings and you continued the behavior anyway. What you're describing sounds like a pretty strong case for approval.

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That's reassuring. I genuinely don't know if they'll contest it or not - we kind of left on okay terms despite the shock of it. Do I need to get a lawyer or anything?

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For a straightforward termination like this you almost certainly don't need a lawyer. If you get denied and need to appeal and go to a hearing THEN you might want to consult with an employment attorney, but most people handle the initial claim and even appeals on their own just fine.

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lawyer is overkill for initial filing for sure. just answer edd's questions honestly and completely

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Filed last year after being let go from a marketing agency. Approved within 3 weeks, no adjudication. Weekly benefit amount came out to about $650/week based on my prior earnings. I remember being terrified that being fired meant I'd definitely be denied - totally not true. File right away, that's the biggest thing. Every week you delay is a week of potential benefits you could have had.

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how long did it take before you got your first payment after being approved?

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There's a one-week unpaid waiting period built into California's system, so my first payment covered week 2 after I filed. Took about 4 days after approval for it to hit my Bank of America debit card (the EDD debit card they issue).

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okay this is making me feel way better. filing today

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ugh the california edd system is SUCH a nightmare even when you're clearly eligible. i was fired last spring and my claim sat in 'pending' for almost 6 weeks with NO communication from edd. called hundreds of times literally could not get through. eventually had to have my state assemblymember's office intervene. nobody should have to do that just to access benefits they're entitled to

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Six weeks?? That's terrifying with bills to pay. What did the assemblymember's office do exactly?

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basically they have a constituent services line and they can contact EDD directly on your behalf to flag cases that have been sitting too long. it actually worked but i shouldn't have had to escalate that far. google your california assemblymember + constituent services if you ever get desperate

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The assemblymember route and Claimyr are both worth knowing about. Assemblymember offices can be slow too though - the Claimyr approach got me an actual EDD agent on the phone way faster in my experience.

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Couple things people don't always mention about filing after being fired in California: - Report your severance accurately when you file - it can affect when your benefits start - If you have any vacation or PTO payout, report that too - Start your job search log from day one of filing because you'll need to report 3 job search activities per week on your weekly certification - Set a reminder to file your weekly cert every week even if your claim isn't approved yet - you'll get backpay for those weeks once you're approved

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Wait - I have to be actively job searching to collect? Even while the claim is being processed?

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Yes, the job search requirement (3 activities per week) applies once you're eligible. During adjudication there can be some nuance but generally yes, you should be keeping a job search log. Activities can be submitting applications, attending job fairs, doing informational interviews, etc. California uses CalJOBS as its job search platform and registering there counts as one activity.

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i did not know about the caljobs thing. does it have to be through caljobs or can you apply anywhere

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CalJOBS registration is required but your 3 weekly activities don't all have to be through CalJOBS. Applying on Indeed, LinkedIn, company websites all count - you just keep a log of date, employer, position, method of contact.

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been through the fired + edd process twice now (different jobs lol not proud of it). both times got approved. first time was slow and stressful because i didn't know what i was doing. second time i knew the system better and it went smoother. biggest advice: when edd sends you any form or questionnaire about your separation, fill it out completely and quickly. don't leave anything blank, don't be vague. the more detail you give upfront the less likely you are to get stuck in adjudication waiting for more info.

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What kind of questions do they ask on those forms? I want to be prepared.

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basically things like: what was the stated reason for your termination, did you receive any warnings beforehand, describe your job duties, was there an incident that led to the termination, do you have any documentation. just be thorough and factual. don't editorialize or complain, just describe what happened objectively.

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This is great advice. The separation questionnaire is often where claims get delayed - people either give too little info or say something that raises more questions. Treat it like a factual report, not an emotional outlet.

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kind of scared to file because what if my employer says i was fired for misconduct even if i wasn't? like can they just say anything and edd believes them?

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No, EDD doesn't just take the employer's word for it. If there's a discrepancy between your account and theirs, it goes to adjudication where an EDD interviewer reviews both sides, often including an interview with you. You have the opportunity to present your side, provide documentation, name witnesses, etc. The employer has to actually substantiate a misconduct claim - they can't just say 'misconduct' and have you automatically denied.

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okay that makes me feel better. i was worried it was just whoever the employer says goes

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It really isn't. I've seen cases where the employer filed detailed misconduct claims and the claimant still won because the behavior described didn't meet EDD's legal definition. The bar for misconduct is higher than most employers realize.

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just want to add - if you DO get denied, APPEAL. i can not stress this enough. so many people see a denial letter and give up. the appeal process exists for a reason and the unemployment insurance appeals board (CUIAB) reverses denials way more often than people think, especially for termination cases where the employer's misconduct claim is weak. you have 30 days from the mailing date of the determination to file your appeal.

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Is the appeal complicated? Do I need to like... go to court?

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It's an administrative hearing, not a court exactly. It's relatively informal - usually done by phone. A judge (appeals referee) hears both sides. You can represent yourself. Just bring documentation and be prepared to explain your account of events clearly.

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I've been to one of these hearings. It's genuinely not as intimidating as it sounds. The referee is neutral and the format is structured but accessible. I went without a lawyer and won.

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Does the amount you get depend on how much you were making? My sister got like $200/week and I make more than she does so wondering if mine would be more

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Yes, your weekly benefit amount (WBA) is calculated based on your highest earning quarter in a specific base period before you filed. California EDD generally pays about 60-70% of your average weekly wages up to a maximum amount (the max changes periodically). You can use the EDD's online benefit calculator before you file to get an estimate.

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oh cool thanks. so the more you made the more you get basically

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Generally yes, up to the cap. The max WBA in California is currently in the $450-$500+ range per week depending on the period - but if you were making a good salary you'd likely hit that cap. The calculator on the EDD website will give you a personalized estimate.

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I'm going through something similar right now and the waiting is just brutal. My claim has been in adjudication for almost 5 weeks. I've been trying to call EDD every single day and can't get through. Tried early morning, tried right when they open, tried calling the alternate numbers I found online - nothing. I'm starting to genuinely panic about my finances.

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I really feel for you - that waiting with no information is genuinely awful. This is exactly the situation where I'd go back to Claimyr (claimyr.com). When I was in adjudication limbo I literally could not reach EDD by phone no matter what I tried, and Claimyr connected me to an actual agent. Once I could talk to someone I got actual answers about my case status and what was needed to move it forward. There's a demo at https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10 if you want to see what it does.

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I've seen that mentioned a few times in this thread. Going to look into it tonight because I genuinely don't know what else to do at this point.

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Also if Claimyr doesn't work or while you're waiting - file a complaint through AskEDD (the online message system) specifically asking for a status update on your adjudication. It won't get you an instant answer but it creates a paper trail and sometimes prompts someone to review your case.

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totally off topic but does anyone know if you can collect unemployment AND do freelance work at the same time? asking for a friend lol

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Somewhat related actually! Yes you can do some freelance/part-time work while collecting California UI benefits, but you MUST report all earnings on your weekly certification. EDD will reduce your benefit amount for weeks you earned income. If you earn more than your weekly benefit amount in a given week you won't receive benefits for that week, but you also don't lose your whole claim. It's a partial benefits calculation.

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oh interesting so it's not like if you earn ANYTHING they cut you off completely

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Correct. There's a formula - California EDD allows you to earn up to 25% of your WBA before they start reducing your payment dollar for dollar. The key is you MUST report it honestly. Underreporting earnings is what creates overpayment issues down the line.

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For OP and anyone else in this situation - one thing that really helped me mentally was understanding that California EDD unemployment insurance is not charity. You and your employers have been paying into this system this entire time you were working. This is literally what the program exists for. There's no shame in claiming it when you need it. File, be honest, follow the requirements, and use the benefits you've been contributing to.

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I needed to hear this honestly. I've been feeling guilty about filing like I'm asking for a handout but you're right.

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Extremely common feeling, don't let it stop you from filing. Your employer paid UI taxes on your wages the whole time you worked there. This is insurance you've already 'paid for' in a sense.

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this is a really good point. same as car insurance or health insurance. you pay in and then use it when you need it

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has anyone had their employer NOT respond to edd at all? my friend filed after being fired and her employer just never replied to edd's inquiry. what happens then

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If the employer doesn't respond within the required timeframe, EDD typically proceeds based on the claimant's account of the separation. In practice this often means the claim gets approved because there's no employer contesting it. Employers who don't respond lose some of their ability to appeal later as well.

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oh interesting so it might actually help her that they didn't respond

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yep this happened to me the first time I filed. small company, they apparently never responded. approved pretty quickly. i think some employers just don't bother especially if it's a small business without HR.

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I want to flag something - OP mentioned they got severance. Make sure you understand how severance affects your claim. California EDD treats severance pay differently depending on how it's structured. A lump sum severance generally doesn't disqualify you or delay your benefits. But if your employer is continuing to pay your salary for a period (like 'salary continuation'), that may be treated differently. Worth clarifying when you file.

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Mine was definitely a lump sum - they just paid me two weeks at my normal rate as a one-time payment. Is that okay?

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That's generally the most favorable type for UI purposes. A lump sum severance typically doesn't delay your benefit year start date the way salary continuation can. You'll still need to report it on your initial claim form but it shouldn't disqualify you.

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Good catch bringing this up. A lot of people don't think about this and then are surprised when their start date is affected. The EDD instructions on the initial claim form ask specifically about this.

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update for anyone who finds this later: i was in a nearly identical situation (fired with vague reason, no documentation) and was super nervous filing. filed online, employer responded saying performance issues, went to adjudication. edd called me for a phone interview, i explained my side, submitted my performance reviews which were all satisfactory, and was approved about 10 days after the interview. total time from filing to first payment was about 7 weeks which sucked but it worked out. don't give up.

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This is so helpful thank you for posting this. Seven weeks is rough but good to have a realistic timeline expectation.

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Yeah 7 weeks was the hardest part financially. I had to borrow some money from family to bridge the gap. But the back pay once I was approved covered all the pending weeks so it worked out. Just hang in there.

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This is a great real-world example. The adjudication phone interview is really the key step - if you're honest, organized, and have any documentation of your good standing at the job, those interviews tend to go well for the claimant.

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something i wish someone had told me: create your UI Online account and save your login info somewhere safe BEFORE you need it. also set up direct deposit instead of the EDD debit card if you can - it's faster and you avoid any issues with the card getting lost or having transaction limits

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Can you set up direct deposit instead of the debit card? I didn't know that was an option

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Yes! When you set up your claim you can choose direct deposit to your bank account. It's honestly way better than the debit card in my experience. Funds show up faster and you don't have to worry about ATM fees or the card getting stolen.

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i had so many problems with the edd debit card. wish i had done direct deposit from the start

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Quick question that's kind of related - if I'm fired from a job I've only had for 4 months does that affect eligibility? Like do you have to have worked somewhere for a certain amount of time?

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California EDD unemployment eligibility is based on earnings during your 'base period' (typically the first 4 of the last 5 completed calendar quarters before you file), not how long you were at your most recent job. So if you had earnings before this 4-month job that fall in that base period, those count too. If you worked somewhere else before this job you're probably fine. If this was your very first job and you only have 4 months of earnings ever, you might not meet the minimum earnings threshold.

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I had a previous job before this one so I think I'm okay then. Good to know it's not just based on the most recent employer.

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Exactly right. California EDD looks at your total wages during the base period across all employers. Your most recent employer is just the one they contact about the separation reason - your wage history comes from your full employment record.

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UPDATE: Used Claimyr like someone suggested above. Got connected to an EDD agent within the same day. Turns out there was a questionnaire in my portal that I somehow missed that was holding up my adjudication - the agent flagged it and walked me through it over the phone. Submitted the form that afternoon and my claim was approved 4 days later. Genuinely would not have figured this out without being able to talk to a real person. claimyr.com if anyone else is stuck.

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Oh wow this is good to know - I'll definitely keep that in my back pocket if I hit any roadblocks with my claim.

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glad it worked out!! that's so frustrating that there was something waiting in your portal and nobody told you. the edd notification system is terrible.

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This is exactly the kind of thing that only gets resolved when you can talk to an actual person. No automated system or AskEDD message would have caught that. Glad you got through.

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