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Can you draw unemployment if fired in California? EDD eligibility explained

So I just got let go from my warehouse job last Friday and I'm kind of spiraling trying to figure out what my options are. My supervisor said I was being terminated for 'performance issues' but honestly I feel like it was really just a personality conflict with the new manager who came in about two months ago. Never had any write-ups before she arrived, then suddenly I get three in six weeks and a pink slip. I always assumed that if you got fired you just couldn't collect unemployment, like that's what I always heard growing up. But my coworker who got laid off last year told me it's not that black and white with California EDD. Is that actually true? Can you draw unemployment if fired or am I just out of luck here? I have a mortgage payment due in three weeks and I really need to understand what my situation looks like before I panic completely.

Your coworker is right, it's definitely not black and white. California EDD doesn't automatically deny claims just because someone was fired. The key question they look at is whether you were fired for what they call 'misconduct' under California unemployment law. Simple performance issues, honest mistakes, or even just not being a great fit for a role typically do NOT count as disqualifying misconduct. Misconduct in the legal sense means something more serious - like deliberately violating a known company policy, showing up drunk, theft, that kind of thing. Getting poor performance reviews or clashing with management usually doesn't meet that bar. I'd absolutely file your claim right away at UI Online and let EDD make the determination. Worst they can say is no.

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Okay this is genuinely the most relieving thing I've read all weekend. So performance write-ups alone probably wouldn't disqualify me? I'm still scared because I don't actually know exactly what my former employer is going to tell EDD when they contact them.

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That fear is totally normal. Just be honest when you file and describe the situation accurately from your perspective. EDD will contact your former employer and hear both sides. If your employer claims misconduct, you'll get a chance to respond. The process exists to sort this stuff out.

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Also worth noting - even if EDD initially denies your claim, you have the right to appeal within 30 days of the determination notice. A lot of people don't realize that and just give up.

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went through almost the exact same thing two years ago, fired for 'performance' after a new supervisor came in and targeted me. I was terrified to even file because I assumed I'd be denied. Filed anyway and got approved without any issue at all. The EDD interviewer asked me a few questions about the circumstances, I explained my side, and that was basically it. Don't assume you're disqualified just because the termination letter says performance.

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Did they do a phone interview with you during the adjudication process? I'm wondering what to expect after I file.

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Yeah they called me, it was maybe 15-20 minutes. Pretty straightforward, they just want to understand what happened. Be calm, stick to the facts, don't bad-mouth your employer even if you're angry. Just explain the timeline of events.

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same here, got fired and was approved. file asap because there's a waiting period before benefits kick in anyway

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One practical thing that helped me when I was navigating a tricky termination claim - I had a really hard time getting through to EDD by phone when I had questions about my adjudication status. Kept getting the 'high call volume' message and getting disconnected. Someone in another forum thread suggested trying Claimyr (claimyr.com) which is basically a service that handles the hold queue for you and calls you back when an EDD agent is actually available. There's a video explaining how it works at https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10. Ended up being way less stressful than redialing for hours. Mentioning it because if your claim goes into adjudication you might find yourself needing to actually speak with someone.

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Thanks for the tip, saving that link. I have a feeling I'm going to need to talk to an actual EDD agent at some point during this process.

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never heard of that before, does it actually work? EDD phone lines are absolutely brutal

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Worked for me, got connected to an agent the same day I tried it. Can't promise everyone's experience is identical but it beat my previous strategy of calling 47 times and getting nowhere.

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ok so I need to jump in here because there's some info floating around that could get people in trouble. fired for misconduct IS disqualifying, the previous comments are right about that. BUT people need to understand that 'misconduct' under California unemployment law has a very specific legal definition that's actually quite narrow. It's not just 'my employer was unhappy with me.' Courts have consistently held that to be misconduct it generally has to involve a willful or wanton disregard of the employer's interests. Forgetting to do a task, being slow, personality conflicts - these usually don't qualify. The employer bears the burden of proving misconduct to EDD.

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Wait the employer has to PROVE misconduct? I thought it was on me to prove I didn't commit it?

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Correct. In California unemployment cases, if the employer is claiming you were fired for disqualifying misconduct, they carry the burden of demonstrating that. You just need to tell your side accurately and let the process work.

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this is why documenting everything matters so much. keep any emails, texts, performance reviews, anything that shows the history of what happened before the firing

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CAN YOU DRAW UNEMPLOYMENT IF FIRED - short answer YES YOU CAN IN CALIFORNIA. I got fired twice in my life and collected both times. The system isn't perfect but it's not as stacked against you as people think when it comes to termination. File immediately. Don't wait. Every day you delay is potentially money you won't get back because California EDD doesn't always backdate to before your filing date.

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Does the waiting period start from when I file or from my last day of work?

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From when you file your initial claim. There's also a mandatory one-week waiting period built in that's just how the program works, you won't get paid for that first week regardless. But after that your weekly benefits start.

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I think the waiting week rule has changed or something? Not 100% sure about current rules

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To answer the waiting week question - California did eliminate the waiting week for a period but as of current rules it is back in effect. So yes, your first week of unemployment after filing you won't receive a payment for. Your benefits start from week two onward as long as you certify and meet eligibility requirements each week.

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Okay so I need to make sure I'm doing my weekly certifications. Is that done through UI Online?

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Yes, through UI Online on the EDD website. You certify every two weeks actually - they cover two weeks at a time. You'll answer questions about your job search activities and whether you had any earnings that week. As long as you're doing your job search and available for work, you should be fine.

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Also make sure you're keeping a job search log with the required number of employer contacts each week. That's a requirement for receiving benefits and EDD can ask for it.

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my sister got fired last year and her claim got denied initially, she appealed it and won at the appeal hearing. the employer didn't even show up to the hearing lol. so even if your first determination isn't good don't give up

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This is actually really helpful to hear, thank you. Did she have to get a lawyer for the hearing?

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nope she represented herself. she said it felt like a very informal interview type thing not a real courtroom. she just explained what happened and that was basically it

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Something worth understanding about the EDD adjudication process when you're fired - your claim will almost certainly go into adjudication automatically just because of the termination circumstances. That's normal. It doesn't mean you're going to be denied. It just means an EDD interviewer needs to gather more information before making a determination. Don't panic when you see that status on UI Online. It just means the process is working.

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How long does adjudication typically take? I really need to know if I should be looking for emergency options while I wait.

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Honestly it varies wildly. Could be 2 weeks, could be 6-8 weeks in worst cases. The inconsistency is genuinely one of the most frustrating things about the system. Having a small emergency fund to bridge the gap is ideal but I know that's not always possible.

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This is exactly when having a way to actually reach EDD by phone matters - if your adjudication is dragging on you can try to get a status update. The claimyr.com service I mentioned earlier is good for exactly this situation, I used it specifically to check on a stuck adjudication and actually got answers instead of just getting hung up on.

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does anyone know if getting fired from a part time job affects this? like OP mentions warehouse work so probably full time but I'm in a different situation where I was fired from one of two jobs I had

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That's actually a somewhat separate question but worth addressing - in California if you have multiple jobs and lose one, you may still be eligible for partial unemployment benefits depending on your total weekly earnings. The EDD calculates this based on your base period wages. You'd still need to file and let them sort out the numbers.

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oh okay thank you, I wasn't sure if having the other job disqualified me automatically. will look into this more

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I have a slightly different take on this whole thread. Yes you CAN get unemployment if fired, but please please please be really careful about how you describe the termination when you file. I've seen people accidentally say things that make their situation sound worse than it was. Don't volunteer extra information, answer the questions asked, be factual and calm. Don't write a novel about how much you hate your former boss.

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This is solid advice. I've been stewing about this for days and I'm definitely in a space where I could rant. I'll keep it professional and factual.

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Exactly. EDD is just trying to determine the facts of what happened. Personal feelings about the employer aren't relevant to the legal determination. Save the venting for friends and family lol.

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100% agree. Also don't exaggerate or stretch the truth even if you think it helps your case. Honesty is genuinely the best approach because inconsistencies can hurt you.

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Let me lay out the full process so you know what to expect after filing if you've been fired: 1. File your initial claim on UI Online 2. Claim will go into adjudication - EDD needs to investigate the separation 3. EDD may schedule a phone interview with you 4. EDD will contact your former employer for their account 5. EDD issues a Notice of Determination 6. If approved, you begin certifying and receiving benefits 7. If denied, you have 30 days from the notice date to file an appeal The whole thing from filing to determination can take anywhere from 3-10 weeks depending on backlog. Continue filing your weekly certifications even while in adjudication - if you're approved, you'll get paid retroactively for the weeks you certified.

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Wait - I need to keep certifying even while waiting on the adjudication decision? I didn't know that. So I should do that every two weeks regardless of the pending status?

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Yes, absolutely critical. If you stop certifying during adjudication and then get approved, you may not be able to recertify for those missed weeks and you'll lose that money. Keep certifying every two weeks no matter what.

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This. THIS. Cannot stress this enough. So many people lose out on weeks of back pay because they stopped certifying while waiting on their adjudication. Keep certifying!

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so what counts as misconduct in California though, anyone have a concrete example? like what's the line between 'bad performance' and actual misconduct that would get you denied

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Good question and there's real case law on this. Examples of things that generally WOULD be misconduct: repeated unexcused absences after formal warnings, documented insubordination, fighting at work, theft, falsifying records, showing up impaired. Examples of things that generally would NOT be misconduct: making mistakes or errors in good faith, being slow to learn a new task, having interpersonal friction with a supervisor, not meeting performance benchmarks, getting laid off disguised as a firing for performance.

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that's really helpful actually, I was curious because I got fired for 'not meeting sales targets' and wasn't sure where that fell

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Not meeting sales targets would almost certainly NOT be considered disqualifying misconduct. That's a performance issue, not willful violation of employer policy. File your claim.

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One thing that helped me when I was in a similar situation - I requested my personnel file from my former employer before filing. In California you have the right to request it. Seeing what they actually had in writing versus what they were verbally telling me was eye-opening. I had three times the performance documentation in my favor than I expected. Good ammunition if you end up needing to appeal.

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I didn't know I could request my personnel file. Does that include things like email communications or just the formal HR documents?

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Typically the formal HR documents - performance reviews, disciplinary notices, written warnings. Email communications are trickier. But the formal file alone can be really valuable.

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jumped on this thread because I'm literally in adjudication right now for a firing situation. been 5 weeks and I still don't have a determination. has anyone had luck reaching EDD to find out what's taking so long? I've called like 40 times and can't get through

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I mentioned Claimyr earlier in this thread but seriously - this is exactly what it's for. Go to claimyr.com or watch the demo at https://youtu.be/JmuwXR7HA10. It essentially gets you into the EDD phone queue without you having to sit there redialing. I was in an extended adjudication situation and it was the only way I actually got a human on the phone to tell me what was happening with my claim.

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I'll try anything at this point. 5 weeks is destroying me financially. Thank you

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5 weeks in adjudication isn't even that unusual unfortunately. I know that doesn't help the anxiety but you're not forgotten, the system is just genuinely slow. Keep certifying every two weeks no matter what.

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UPDATE: Filed my claim this morning through UI Online. Took about 25 minutes to complete. It asked pretty detailed questions about the reason for separation and gave me space to explain the circumstances. I wrote a calm, factual account of the three write-ups from the new manager and the termination. Now I'm in the waiting game. Thank you all for the information and encouragement, this community genuinely helped me stop panicking and take action.

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Great news that you filed! Now the most important thing is to set calendar reminders for your certification dates so you don't miss them. Log into UI Online two weeks from today and complete your biweekly certification.

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Good luck! Fingers crossed you get through adjudication quickly. And remember - if they call for a phone interview, pick up even if it's an unknown number. EDD doesn't always leave voicemails and missing that call can delay everything.

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Good move filing right away. Document today's date and keep a record of everything going forward - your claim number, every time you call, every certification you submit. If anything goes sideways later you'll want that paper trail.

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lil off topic but this whole thread is gold and I want to add that I was fired AND I had a period where I didn't think I'd worked enough hours to qualify. turns out I had worked enough in my base period and still qualified. the EDD base period calculation is different from what most people think - it's based on the first four of the last five completed calendar quarters, not just your most recent job. so even if you haven't been at your current job long you might have prior wages that count.

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Oh wow I hadn't even thought about the base period thing. I've been at this warehouse job for about 8 months so hopefully I have enough wages but this is good to know.

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8 months should be plenty in most cases. The minimum to qualify is something like $1,300 in your highest quarter of the base period or $900 in your highest quarter plus total base period wages of 1.25 times that amount. EDD calculates it automatically when you file so you don't have to do the math yourself.

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reminder that your weekly benefit amount also matters here. EDD calculates it based on your highest earning quarter in the base period. warehouse wages are usually decent enough that you should get a reasonable benefit amount. the max weekly benefit in California right now is $450 so there's a ceiling on it regardless.

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$450 max per week is less than I was making but it'll help cover the basics while I job search. How long can you draw benefits?

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Standard California UI is up to 26 weeks. So about 6 months maximum if you're still unemployed and meeting requirements the whole time.

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And you're required to be actively looking for work, keeping your job search log, and be able and available to accept suitable work throughout that whole period to maintain eligibility. It's not automatic, you have to stay compliant with the requirements.

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ALSO TO ANYONE READING THIS - if your former employer tries to contest your unemployment and you get denied, DO NOT give up and assume that's final. Appeal it. Go to the appeal hearing. Show up. Employers don't always show up to hearings and you can win by default or just by showing up and telling your story. The appeal process genuinely exists to fix EDD's mistakes and employer overreaches. I've seen people go from denied to approved multiple times in appeal hearings.

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What's the appeals process like? Do I need a lawyer?

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No lawyer required. You file an appeal in writing within 30 days of your denial notice. Then you get a hearing scheduled with an Administrative Law Judge - it's way less formal than a real courtroom, more like a structured conversation. You present your evidence and account, employer presents theirs, and the ALJ decides. Many people represent themselves successfully.

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Accurate. The California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board (CUIAB) handles these hearings. They do have self-help resources available and the process is designed to be accessible to people without legal training. That said, some legal aid organizations will help with unemployment appeals for free if you want guidance.

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