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Sean O'Connor

UCC search NYC - debtor name variations causing lien perfection gaps?

Running into a nightmare scenario with UCC search NYC requirements and I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with this mess. We're a mid-size equipment finance company and just discovered our lien search procedures might have gaps that could invalidate our security interests. The issue is debtor name variations - we've been doing basic UCC searches but I'm concerned we're missing filings under slightly different entity names or DBA variations. For example, we have a borrower "Manhattan Industrial Supply LLC" but there could be filings under "Manhattan Industrial Supply, LLC" (with comma) or "Manhattan Industrial Supply Limited Liability Company" or even trade names we don't know about. This is keeping me up at night because if we miss an existing UCC-1 filing during our due diligence, we might not have the security position we think we do. Anyone have experience with comprehensive UCC search NYC protocols that catch these variations? Our current search vendor seems pretty basic and I'm worried we're going to get burned on a deal because of sloppy name matching. What's the best practice for ensuring you find ALL relevant UCC filings when the debtor might be listed under multiple name formats?

Zara Ahmed

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Oh man, you're absolutely right to be worried about this. Name variations are the #1 cause of UCC search failures in my experience. NYC has so many businesses with similar names and the UCC filing system is pretty literal about exact matches. I learned this the hard way when we missed a prior filing because it had "Corp." instead of "Corporation" - cost us our first position on a $180K equipment loan. The NY SOS database search function is notoriously picky about punctuation and abbreviations.

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Luca Conti

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Same thing happened to us last year! Missed a filing because of a period vs no period in "Inc" vs "Inc." - ended up subordinate to another lender on what should have been our senior position. Now we do manual searches for every possible variation we can think of.

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Nia Johnson

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This is exactly why I always run searches under multiple name formats before any equipment financing deal. The NY UCC database doesn't do fuzzy matching like some other states, so you have to be super methodical about variations.

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CyberNinja

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Have you tried using a professional UCC search service that specializes in name variations? I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool recently and it's been a game changer. You can upload your loan documents and it automatically cross-checks debtor names against multiple format variations to make sure you're not missing any existing UCC-1 filings. It caught a name discrepancy on our last deal that would have cost us our security interest - the borrower had a UCC filing under a slightly different entity name that we never would have found with basic searches.

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Sean O'Connor

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That sounds exactly like what I need. How does it work with the NYC/NY searches specifically? Does it handle all the common business entity abbreviations automatically?

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CyberNinja

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Yeah it handles all the standard variations - LLC vs Limited Liability Company, Corp vs Corporation, Inc vs Incorporated, plus punctuation differences. You just upload your credit agreement or loan documents and it runs comprehensive searches to verify no conflicts with existing filings.

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Mateo Lopez

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I've heard good things about Certana but haven't tried it yet. The manual search process is so time consuming and error prone, especially in NYC where there are so many similar business names.

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You're dealing with a real problem here. In my 15 years doing secured lending, I've seen too many deals go south because of inadequate UCC searches. The NY Secretary of State database is decent but it's not foolproof for catching name variations. Beyond the obvious abbreviation differences (LLC, Corp, Inc), you also need to search for potential DBAs and trade names. Many businesses operate under names that aren't their exact legal entity name, and UCC filings might be under either version.

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Sean O'Connor

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That's a great point about DBAs. How do you typically handle searching for trade names that might not be obvious from the loan documents?

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I always ask borrowers directly for a list of all names they do business under, including DBAs filed with the county clerk. Then I search each variation. It's tedious but better than finding out after the fact that you missed something.

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Ethan Davis

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The DBA issue is huge in NYC. So many businesses have multiple trade names registered that don't match their legal entity name exactly.

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Yuki Tanaka

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This is why I always do UCC searches manually in addition to whatever automated service we use. The NY SOS website lets you search by exact name but you have to know to try different variations. I keep a checklist of common variations: with/without punctuation, abbreviated vs spelled out entity types, with/without "The" at the beginning, etc. It's time consuming but worth it to avoid subordination issues.

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Carmen Ortiz

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Manual searches are good but so prone to human error. I've definitely missed variations before even when I thought I was being thorough.

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Yuki Tanaka

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True, that's why I double-check everything. But automated tools can miss things too if they're not programmed to handle all the edge cases.

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MidnightRider

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UGHHH this is such a pain point for our lending team! The NY UCC search system is so frustrating - it's like they designed it to make you miss filings. We had a deal last month where we found an existing UCC-1 filing literally the day before closing because someone finally thought to search without the comma in the entity name. Nearly killed the whole transaction because we had to restructure the security agreement.

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Andre Laurent

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That's terrifying! Did you end up closing the deal or did the prior filing kill it?

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MidnightRider

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We managed to work it out by subordinating the prior lender, but it cost us time and money. Really drove home how critical thorough UCC searches are.

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This is exactly why I'm paranoid about UCC searches now. One missed variation can destroy your security position.

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Have you considered the fact that some businesses might have UCC filings under parent company names or subsidiary variations? In NYC especially, you've got a lot of complex corporate structures where the actual borrower entity might not be the name on existing UCC filings. I always check for related entity searches when possible, though that gets complicated fast.

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Sean O'Connor

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Good point. How do you typically identify related entities without getting into expensive corporate investigation territory?

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Usually I ask for organizational charts and recent corporate filings. If it's a big enough deal, sometimes worth paying for a corporate database search to identify subsidiaries and affiliates.

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Mei Wong

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I feel your pain on this. The NYC business environment makes UCC searches particularly tricky because there are so many similar company names and entity types. Last year we started using a more systematic approach - we create a search matrix with all possible name variations before running any UCC searches. Helps ensure we don't miss obvious variations, but it's still not foolproof for catching everything.

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That's a smart approach. Do you have a template for the search matrix you'd be willing to share?

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Mei Wong

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I can put together the basic framework - essentially it's just a checklist of entity type variations, punctuation differences, and common abbreviations. Nothing fancy but helps avoid missing the obvious ones.

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Sean O'Connor

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A template would be incredibly helpful if you don't mind sharing. This whole process feels overwhelming right now.

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PixelWarrior

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Just wanted to add another vote for being super careful with UCC search name variations. I've been doing commercial lending for 8 years and I still occasionally find filings I missed on the first search. The NY system is unforgiving about exact matches. One thing that's helped me is using Certana.ai's verification tool - it automates a lot of the name variation checking that used to be manual. Saves time and catches things I might miss.

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Amara Adebayo

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How comprehensive is Certana's name variation checking? Does it handle the really obscure variations or just the common ones?

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PixelWarrior

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It's pretty thorough - handles most business entity abbreviations and punctuation variations automatically. Still good practice to think through any unusual variations specific to your borrower, but it catches the majority of standard variations.

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This thread is giving me anxiety because I realize we might not be doing thorough enough UCC searches either. We use a basic search service but reading all these responses about missed filings due to name variations has me worried. Maybe I need to audit our recent deals to make sure we didn't miss anything critical.

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It's worth doing a random audit of a few recent deals to see if your search process would catch name variations. Better to identify gaps now than discover them when there's a default.

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Yeah, I think I'm going to pull a few recent files and run additional searches with different name formats to see what we might have missed. This is nerve-wracking but necessary.

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The reality is that UCC search name variations are just an inherent risk in secured lending, especially in markets like NYC with tons of similar business names. You can minimize the risk with thorough searches and good processes, but you can't eliminate it entirely. The key is having consistent procedures and documentation to show you made reasonable efforts if issues come up later.

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Sean O'Connor

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That's a good point about documentation. Even if we miss something, having a documented search process probably helps from a liability standpoint.

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Exactly. Courts generally look at whether you followed reasonable commercial practices, not whether you achieved perfect results. But obviously better to avoid the situation entirely with good upfront searches.

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Dylan Evans

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Documentation is key but I'd still rather catch the issues upfront than rely on having good documentation after the fact. Prevention is better than legal defense.

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Sofia Gomez

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Thanks for posting this - it's made me realize our UCC search procedures probably need an overhaul too. The name variation issue is something I knew existed but maybe didn't take seriously enough. Going to look into some of the solutions mentioned here, particularly the automated verification tools that can catch variations we might miss manually.

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CyberNinja

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Definitely check out Certana if you're looking at automated solutions. The peace of mind is worth it when you're dealing with significant loan amounts and security interests.

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Sofia Gomez

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Will do. The manual process is just too error-prone for something this critical to our security position.

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