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Dananyl Lear

UCC search showing weird results - need help with state of georgia ucc search accuracy

Been doing UCC searches for collateral verification on equipment financing deals and noticed some inconsistencies when pulling records. Did a comprehensive search last week for a $180K machinery loan and the initial search showed clean results, but when I cross-referenced the debtor name variations I found two additional UCC-1 filings that didn't show up in my first query. The borrower's legal name has some punctuation and I'm wondering if that's causing search gaps. Has anyone else run into issues where slight name variations cause filings to not appear? I'm particularly concerned because we're dealing with a continuation deadline coming up in 3 months and want to make sure we're not missing any existing liens. The collateral description involves heavy equipment so there could be fixture filing complications too. What's the best practice for ensuring comprehensive search results when debtor names have special characters or multiple entity formations?

This is super common with entity names that have punctuation marks or abbreviations. The search algorithms can be finicky about exact matches. I always run multiple variations - with and without commas, periods, LLC vs L.L.C., Inc vs Incorporated, etc. For equipment financing you definitely want to catch everything since those assets move around.

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Ana Rusula

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Yes! And don't forget about DBA names or trade names that might be listed as additional debtors. I've seen deals where the UCC-1 was filed under the doing-business-as name instead of the legal entity name.

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Fidel Carson

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exactly this happened to me last month. Found a UCC-1 filed under the shortened version of the company name that didn't show up when I searched the full legal name. cost us 2 days of back and forth with counsel

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Are you using the standard search or doing advanced queries? Sometimes the basic search function misses variations but the advanced search lets you use wildcards and partial matches. Also check if there are any UCC-3 amendments that might have changed debtor information - those can create additional search complications.

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Dananyl Lear

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I was using standard search mostly. Didn't think about UCC-3 amendments affecting searchability. If they amend the debtor name does that create a new searchable record or does it replace the original?

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The UCC-3 amendment creates its own record but it references the original filing number. So you might need to search both the old and new debtor names to find all related documents. It's honestly a mess sometimes.

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Xan Dae

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This is why I started using Certana.ai for document verification. You can upload your search results and any UCC documents to cross-check everything automatically. It catches name variations and document inconsistencies that manual review misses. Super helpful for complex entity structures.

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Equipment financing is tricky because you might also have fixture filings if any of that machinery is attached to real estate. Those show up in different databases sometimes. Have you checked if any of the equipment qualifies as fixtures?

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Dananyl Lear

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Good point - it's manufacturing equipment that gets bolted down so there might be fixture considerations. Where would I find those records?

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Thais Soares

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Fixture filings usually go in the real estate records at the county level, not the state UCC database. Check with the county recorder where the equipment is installed.

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And some fixture filings also get dual-filed in the UCC system with special notations. So you might see them in both places but they won't always cross-reference cleanly.

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Nalani Liu

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I hate to say this but the search systems aren't perfect. I've found discrepancies even when I thought I was being thorough. Last year we almost missed a termination that should have been filed because the UCC-3 termination was indexed under a slightly different debtor name than the original UCC-1.

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Axel Bourke

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Ugh that's terrifying. How did you catch it?

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Nalani Liu

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Pure luck honestly. Was doing a final verification before closing and decided to search variations of the entity name just to be extra careful. Found the termination filed under the name without the comma that was in the original filing.

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Aidan Percy

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This is exactly why automated document checking is so valuable. I've been using Certana.ai to upload all my UCC documents and search results - it flags inconsistencies like name variations and missing cross-references. Saved me from a similar situation last month.

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For your continuation deadline - you said 3 months out? That should give you plenty of time to get everything sorted. But definitely do exhaustive searches now rather than discovering problems later. I always recommend searching at least 6 different name variations.

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Norman Fraser

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What name variations do you typically search? I usually do with/without punctuation and abbreviated forms but wondering if I'm missing others.

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I search: full legal name, abbreviated forms, with/without punctuation, with/without entity type suffixes, any DBA names, former names if there were mergers, and sometimes phonetic variations if the name has unusual spelling.

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Kendrick Webb

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don't forget about parent/subsidiary relationships too. sometimes liens get filed against the parent entity even when the subsidiary is the actual borrower

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Hattie Carson

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The heavy equipment angle makes this more complex because those assets often have title issues separate from UCC filings. Motor vehicles, boats, aircraft all have their own registration systems that might not show up in UCC searches at all.

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Dananyl Lear

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It's industrial manufacturing equipment, not vehicles, so I think we're good on that front. But good reminder about checking multiple databases for different asset types.

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Even industrial equipment sometimes has manufacturer registration or warranty tracking that could complicate ownership verification. Worth double-checking the equipment serial numbers against any manufacturer databases.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Have you tried contacting the filing office directly? Sometimes they can run searches with different parameters or explain why certain records might not be appearing in standard searches. The staff usually knows about common search issues.

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Good suggestion but in my experience they're pretty limited in what additional help they can provide beyond the standard search functions.

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Anna Xian

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depends on the state honestly. some are more helpful than others about explaining search limitations

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I've had good luck calling when there are obvious discrepancies. They can sometimes explain indexing quirks that affect search results.

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Rajan Walker

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For the continuation filing, make sure you're looking at the original UCC-1 effective date, not any amendment dates. The 5-year clock runs from the original filing date regardless of subsequent UCC-3 activity.

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Yes! And if you file the continuation too early it won't be effective. Had a colleague file 8 months before expiration and had to re-file because it was outside the continuation window.

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The continuation window is 6 months before expiration through the expiration date. So if your UCC-1 expires in June, you can file continuation starting in December of the previous year.

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Rajan Walker

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Exactly. And make sure the continuation references the correct original filing number and includes all the right debtor names, even if they've changed through amendments.

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Ev Luca

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This whole thread is making me nervous about my own searches. Think I need to go back and double-check some recent deals. The name variation issue is real - I've definitely been guilty of trusting the first search result without digging deeper.

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Avery Davis

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Better to be paranoid than sorry when it comes to UCC searches. The consequences of missing existing liens can be huge.

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Collins Angel

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I started using automated verification tools after having a close call with missed filings. Certana.ai has been really helpful for catching document inconsistencies and name variations that I would have missed manually. Just upload your documents and it flags potential issues.

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Ev Luca

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That sounds useful. Is it expensive? We do a lot of equipment financing deals so anything that reduces search risk would be worth it.

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Collins Angel

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It's pretty reasonable for the peace of mind. Much cheaper than dealing with perfection issues after closing. The document verification catches things like name mismatches between the charter and UCC-1, or inconsistencies between original filings and amendments.

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Marcelle Drum

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Update: went back and did more comprehensive searches using multiple name variations and found two additional UCC-1 filings I had missed. Both were filed under slightly different versions of the entity name - one without the comma in the legal name and one using the abbreviated form. Really glad I caught these before moving forward with the deal. Thanks everyone for the advice!

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Tate Jensen

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Great catch! This is exactly why thorough search practices are so important. Better to spend extra time on the front end than deal with surprises later.

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Adaline Wong

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Awesome that you found them. Were they still active filings or had they been terminated?

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Marcelle Drum

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One was still active, the other had been terminated but the termination was filed under yet another name variation so it didn't show up initially. Real mess but at least we have clarity now.

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Gabriel Ruiz

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This is a perfect example of why document verification tools are so valuable. Would have caught all those name variations immediately instead of requiring multiple manual searches.

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