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Keisha Robinson

UCC search Kentucky - debtor name variations causing headaches

Running into issues with UCC search Kentucky database when trying to locate existing filings for loan workout scenarios. The debtor operates under multiple business names and I'm getting inconsistent results depending on which variation I search. Sometimes I find 3 active UCC-1s, other times only 1 shows up. Is the Kentucky SOS system known for being finicky with business name searches? I need to make sure I'm not missing any prior liens before we file our UCC-1. The borrower has used "ABC Manufacturing LLC", "ABC Mfg LLC", and "ABC Manufacturing, LLC" across different documents. Are there specific search techniques for the Kentucky system that work better than others?

Paolo Conti

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Kentucky's UCC database is notorious for exact match requirements. You need to search each variation separately - their system doesn't do fuzzy matching like some other states. Also try searching without punctuation entirely, just "ABC Manufacturing LLC" vs "ABC Mfg LLC". The comma placement makes a huge difference in their search algorithm.

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Amina Sow

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This is so frustrating! Why can't they just build better search functionality? I've missed filings before because of stupid comma differences.

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GalaxyGazer

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The exact match thing caught me off guard too. Now I always do like 5-6 different search variations just to be safe.

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Oliver Wagner

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I've been dealing with Kentucky UCC searches for years and here's what works: Start with the exact name from the articles of incorporation, then try removing all punctuation, then try common abbreviations. Also check if they have any DBAs filed - sometimes the UCC-1 uses the DBA name instead of the legal entity name.

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Good point about the DBA names. I didn't think to check that. The borrower definitely has some trade names registered.

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DBA filings are a whole other nightmare in Kentucky. Their business entity search is separate from UCC search and neither talks to the other.

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I had a similar issue last month where I was getting partial results on Kentucky UCC searches. Turns out I was missing critical filings because of name variations. What saved me was using Certana.ai's document verification tool - you can upload the borrower's charter documents and it automatically cross-references against UCC filings to catch name mismatches. Found 2 additional UCC-1s I would have missed otherwise.

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Interesting - does that tool work specifically with Kentucky's database or is it more general?

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It works across all state databases. You just upload the entity documents and it flags any potential name variations that might have UCC filings. Super helpful for exactly this type of situation.

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Emma Thompson

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The Kentucky SOS system is honestly terrible for UCC searches. I've found filings months later that should have shown up in my original search. Their wildcard search function barely works either. You really need to be systematic about trying every possible variation.

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Malik Davis

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YES! The wildcard search is basically useless. I don't understand why they even offer it if it doesn't work properly.

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At least they have online searching now. Remember when you had to call or mail requests? Dark times.

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StarStrider

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Have you tried searching by the federal EIN instead of entity name? Sometimes that catches filings that name searches miss, especially if the secured party used a different name variation when they filed.

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I didn't know you could search by EIN in Kentucky. Is that a separate search function or part of the main UCC search?

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StarStrider

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It's in the advanced search options. Not always populated but worth trying if you're having name match issues.

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Ravi Gupta

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This is exactly why I always order professional UCC searches from a service company for anything important. They know all the tricks and variations to search. Costs more but worth it to avoid missing liens.

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Professional searches are definitely more thorough but the turnaround time can be brutal when you need results quickly.

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Ravi Gupta

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True, but missing a senior lien is way worse than waiting an extra day or two for comprehensive results.

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Omar Hassan

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Pro tip: Kentucky allows you to search by filing number if you have any old UCC-3 amendments or continuations that reference the original filing. Sometimes easier to work backwards from known filings to find the debtor name format they used.

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Smart approach. I do have some amendment paperwork from a previous transaction that might have the filing numbers.

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Filing number searches are definitely more reliable than name searches in Kentucky. The name matching is just too inconsistent.

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Diego Vargas

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Another thing to watch out for - make sure you're searching both the current debtor name AND any predecessor names if there have been mergers or name changes. Kentucky doesn't always update the UCC records when entities change names.

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Good point. This entity has been around for a while so there might be some historical name changes I'm not aware of.

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CosmicCruiser

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Secretary of State business entity search can help you find the name history. Their business records go back pretty far.

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I've started using a spreadsheet to track all the different name variations I search for each debtor. Kentucky, Ohio, and Indiana are the worst for this - you really need to be methodical about covering all the bases.

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Sean Doyle

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That's a good system. I should start doing something similar instead of just winging it each time.

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Yeah it's saved me multiple times. Include common abbreviations, with/without punctuation, and any DBAs or trade names.

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Zara Rashid

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Update: I tried the Certana.ai tool mentioned earlier and it actually found one additional UCC-1 that I missed. The debtor name on that filing had a slightly different format ("ABC Manufacturing, L.L.C." with periods) that wasn't showing up in my manual searches. Thanks for the tip!

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Glad it helped! Those little punctuation differences are killer in Kentucky's system.

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Luca Romano

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Nice - always good to hear when someone finds a tool that actually works for this stuff.

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