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Omar Mahmoud

New Jersey UCC filing system completely broken - rejected 3 times for same debtor name

I'm at my wit's end here. Been trying to file a UCC-1 continuation for a client and the New Jersey system keeps rejecting it for "debtor name inconsistency" even though I'm copying the exact name from the original filing. This is the third rejection in two weeks and the lapse date is coming up fast. The original UCC-1 was filed 4.5 years ago and shows the debtor as "ATLANTIC COASTAL EQUIPMENT LLC" but somehow the system is saying my continuation doesn't match. I've tried variations like adding periods, removing spaces, even called the filing office twice and got different answers each time. Anyone else dealing with this nightmare? The collateral is heavy equipment worth over $800k so this can't lapse.

Chloe Harris

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Ugh, New Jersey's portal has been a disaster lately. What exactly does the rejection notice say? Sometimes they want the exact punctuation from the original charter documents, not just the UCC-1. Have you pulled the actual certificate of formation to compare?

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Omar Mahmoud

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The rejection just says "debtor name does not substantially comply with records" which is completely unhelpful. I haven't checked the charter docs - good point. This is so frustrating when you're racing against a lapse deadline.

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Diego Vargas

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That's classic NJ vague rejection language. Definitely pull the formation docs. Sometimes there's a comma or period that makes all the difference to their system.

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NeonNinja

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Had this exact issue last month! The problem is NJ's system cross-references multiple databases and if there's ANY discrepancy it gets rejected. You need to verify the name matches across all documents - charter, UCC-1, and any amendments. Pain in the butt but that's what fixed mine.

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Omar Mahmoud

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What did you use to check all the documents? Going through each one manually is taking forever and I keep missing small differences.

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NeonNinja

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I actually found this tool called Certana.ai that lets you upload PDFs and it automatically checks for name inconsistencies between documents. Saved my sanity - just upload your charter and UCC docs and it highlights any mismatches instantly.

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Never heard of that but sounds useful. Manual document comparison is the worst part of UCC work.

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Sean Murphy

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THIS IS WHY I HATE THE NEW JERSEY SYSTEM! They change the rules every six months and never tell anyone. Last year they started requiring exact punctuation matches and the year before that they cared about capitalization. It's like they want filings to fail.

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Zara Khan

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Tell me about it. I've been doing UCC filings for 12 years and NJ is by far the worst. The portal crashes, the rejections are vague, and good luck getting consistent answers from their staff.

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Sean Murphy

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EXACTLY! And don't even get me started on their "maintenance windows" that happen during business hours. Who designed this disaster?

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Luca Ferrari

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Check if the LLC added any designators since the original filing. Sometimes companies change from "LLC" to "L.L.C." or add "Inc." and forget to amend the UCC. Also make sure you're not dealing with a merger situation where the entity name changed.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Good thought. How would I check for entity changes? The business records search doesn't show any amendments but maybe I'm missing something.

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Luca Ferrari

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Pull a current good standing certificate. That'll show the exact legal name as of today. If it doesn't match your UCC exactly, there's your problem.

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Nia Davis

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This happened to me with a Delaware corp that did a name change. Took weeks to figure out because nobody mentioned it during the transaction.

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Have you tried calling the UCC division directly instead of the general filing office? Sometimes the UCC specialists can actually look at your specific filing and tell you what's wrong. The number is different from the main SOS line.

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Omar Mahmoud

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I called twice but got transferred around and never reached anyone who could actually help. Do you have a direct number that works?

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Try 609-292-9292 and ask specifically for UCC customer service. Sometimes you have to wait but they're more knowledgeable than the general clerks.

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QuantumQueen

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Been there with NJ rejections. One trick that sometimes works is filing the continuation with BOTH versions of the name - the one from the original UCC and the one from current state records. Some states allow multiple debtor names on continuations for this exact reason.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Interesting approach. Would that create any legal issues having two slightly different names on the same continuation?

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QuantumQueen

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As long as they both refer to the same entity, it's usually fine. The goal is perfection of the lien, not perfect paperwork. But check with your attorney if it's a big deal.

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Aisha Rahman

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I've done this in other states and it works. Better to have redundant accuracy than a lapsed filing.

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Ethan Wilson

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Quick question - are you 100% sure you have the right original filing number? Sometimes there are multiple UCC-1s for the same debtor and you might be trying to continue the wrong one. Pull a full UCC search report to make sure.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Pretty sure but now you're making me paranoid. The loan docs reference this specific filing number but I should double-check the search results.

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Ethan Wilson

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Better paranoid than lapsed! I've seen deals where there were 2-3 UCC-1s filed by different lenders and people get confused about which one needs the continuation.

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Yuki Sato

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This might sound crazy but try filing it with a different browser or clearing your cache. NJ's system has weird glitches and sometimes the form doesn't submit properly even though it looks like it did. I've had rejections that were actually just system errors.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Worth a shot at this point. I've been using Chrome but maybe I'll try Firefox or Edge.

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Carmen Flores

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I always use Internet Explorer for NJ filings. Their system is ancient and sometimes doesn't play nice with modern browsers.

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Yuki Sato

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IE works but it's so slow. Sometimes I think they designed the system in 2005 and never updated it.

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Andre Dubois

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If all else fails and you're running out of time, consider filing a new UCC-1 instead of continuing the old one. Yes, it means starting over with a new filing number, but at least your client stays perfected. You can always terminate the old one later when you figure out what went wrong.

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Omar Mahmoud

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That's actually not a bad backup plan. Would there be any gap in perfection if I file a new UCC-1 right before the old one lapses?

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Andre Dubois

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No gap if you time it right. File the new UCC-1 a few days before the old one expires. Just make sure the collateral description is identical or broader.

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CyberSamurai

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Smart approach. I've done this when dealing with impossible state systems. Sometimes starting fresh is easier than fighting bureaucracy.

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Update us when you get it figured out! I'm dealing with a similar issue in Pennsylvania and wondering if it's a regional thing with these northeastern states making filing harder.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Will do. Going to try the Certana tool someone mentioned and also pull all the entity docs to compare. Really hoping I don't have to file a new UCC-1.

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Jamal Carter

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PA has been getting pickier about name matches too. Seems like all these states are tightening up their systems but not making them any clearer.

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