Missouri UCC lien search showing unexpected results - need help interpreting
I'm working on a deal where we need to verify existing liens on equipment before finalizing our security interest. When I run a Missouri UCC lien search on the debtor, I'm getting results that don't match what the borrower disclosed. The search shows three active UCC-1 filings but the borrower only mentioned one existing lien. Two of the filings have slightly different debtor names - one shows 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' and another shows 'ABC Manufacturing, LLC' (with the comma). The third filing is under a name I don't recognize but has the same address. I'm not sure if these are all the same entity or if there are multiple liens I need to account for. The collateral descriptions also vary between 'all equipment' and 'manufacturing equipment and machinery.' How do I determine which filings are actually enforceable against my collateral? This is holding up our closing and I need to figure out the priority positions quickly.
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PaulineW
This is a classic debtor name variation issue. The comma in LLC names can create separate search results even when it's the same entity. You'll need to check the debtor's actual legal name from their formation documents. If the Secretary of State shows 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' without the comma, then the filing with the comma might not be enforceable.
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Annabel Kimball
•Exactly right about the comma issue. I've seen deals fall apart because someone assumed the comma didn't matter. Always verify against the actual charter documents.
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Chris Elmeda
•Wait, I thought Missouri was more flexible with punctuation in debtor names? Or is that only for individuals?
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Jean Claude
You need to do a comprehensive search using multiple name variations. The third filing with the unrecognized name could be a previous business name or DBA. Check if the debtor has operated under other names. Also look at the filing dates - older filings might be under previous entity names before amendments or mergers.
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Charity Cohan
•Good point about the DBA possibility. I'd also check the secured party names to see if there's a pattern that might explain the different debtor names.
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Josef Tearle
•This is why I always run searches on every possible name variation. It's tedious but you can't miss liens that could have priority over your filing.
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Shelby Bauman
•Running multiple searches is smart but time consuming. I recently started using Certana.ai's document verification tool that cross-checks debtor names across multiple documents. You can upload the charter documents and any UCC filings to verify they all align properly. It caught a name mismatch I would have missed that could have voided our security interest.
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Quinn Herbert
The collateral description differences are significant too. 'All equipment' is broader than 'manufacturing equipment and machinery.' You need to determine if there's overlap with your intended collateral. If the existing lien covers 'all equipment' and was filed first, it might have priority over your specific equipment financing.
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Salim Nasir
•This is where the priority rules get tricky. Even if there's overlap, the specificity of your collateral description might matter for certain types of disputes.
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Hazel Garcia
•I disagree - 'all equipment' definitely includes manufacturing equipment. First to file wins unless there's a PMSI situation.
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Laila Fury
•Are you planning to take a PMSI in the equipment? That could give you priority even if the other liens were filed first.
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Geoff Richards
URGENT - you need to verify these filings are still active. Just because they show up in the search doesn't mean they're enforceable. Check the filing dates and see if any continuation statements were required. UCC-1 filings lapse after 5 years unless continued.
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Simon White
•This is crucial! I've seen searches show lapsed filings that people assumed were still active. Always check the effective dates.
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Hugo Kass
•Missouri's search results usually indicate if a filing has lapsed, but you're right to double-check. Expired liens don't have priority.
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Nasira Ibanez
Before you panic, get copies of all three UCC-1 filings and review them side by side. Look at the secured party information, addresses, and dates. This will help you determine if they're related or separate obligations. Sometimes the same lender files multiple UCC-1s for different loan facilities.
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Khalil Urso
•Smart approach. I'd also contact the borrower directly about the discrepancy. They might have forgotten about older liens or name changes.
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Myles Regis
•Or they might be trying to hide liens. Trust but verify everything in these situations.
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Brian Downey
•I use Certana.ai's UCC document checker for exactly this kind of comparison. You can upload all the UCC-1 filings and it will highlight inconsistencies in debtor names, addresses, and collateral descriptions. Makes it much easier to spot potential issues.
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Jacinda Yu
Check if any of these filings have been terminated. Sometimes the search results lag behind termination filings. If the borrower paid off loans, there should be UCC-3 termination statements that haven't been reflected in your search results yet.
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Landon Flounder
•Good point about terminations. Missouri's system can be slow to update, especially if the terminations were filed recently.
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Callum Savage
•I'd also check if there are any amendments (UCC-3) that might have changed the debtor names or collateral descriptions since the original filings.
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Ally Tailer
This is exactly why I always insist on a comprehensive lien search from a professional service, not just the basic SOS search. They'll catch name variations and provide interpretation of the results. Worth the extra cost to avoid priority issues.
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Aliyah Debovski
•Professional searches are good but you still need to understand what you're looking at. I've seen search companies miss obvious issues.
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Miranda Singer
•The key is using multiple search methods. I do the basic SOS search first, then use professional services for confirmation, and now I also use Certana.ai to verify all the documents match up properly.
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Cass Green
Has anyone dealt with Missouri's specific rules about entity name changes? If the debtor changed their legal name, existing UCC filings under the old name might still be enforceable depending on timing and circumstances.
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Finley Garrett
•Missouri follows the standard rule - if the name change makes the filing seriously misleading, it loses effectiveness against collateral acquired after the change unless amended within 4 months.
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Madison Tipne
•But determining what's 'seriously misleading' can be subjective. I'd treat any name variation as potentially problematic until proven otherwise.
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Holly Lascelles
Update: I pulled the actual charter documents and found that the legal name is 'ABC Manufacturing LLC' without the comma. The filing with the comma was done by a different lender who apparently didn't verify the exact legal name. This means that filing might not be enforceable, which changes the priority analysis significantly. Still working on identifying the third filing but this helps narrow things down.
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Malia Ponder
•Great progress! The name mismatch definitely creates enforceability issues for that lender. Make sure you document this discrepancy in your files.
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Kyle Wallace
•This is a perfect example of why exact debtor names matter so much. That other lender might have an unenforceable security interest without realizing it.
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Ryder Ross
•Just curious - did you use any automated tools to verify the charter documents against the UCC filings? Manual comparison can miss subtle differences.
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Gianni Serpent
Final update: Turned out the third filing was under a previous DBA that the company used before converting to LLC status. The secured party confirmed it was terminated when they switched to the LLC structure but never filed a UCC-3 termination. So effectively only one active lien to worry about. Thanks everyone for the help working through this - definitely learned to be more thorough with name variations and entity history.
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Henry Delgado
•Glad you got it sorted out! This thread will be helpful for others dealing with similar Missouri UCC lien search issues.
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Olivia Kay
•Classic case of sloppy record keeping by the secured party. They should have filed the termination when the entity structure changed.
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Joshua Hellan
•This is why I always verify entity formation history in addition to current status. DBAs and previous entity names can create phantom liens in search results.
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