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Miguel Castro

UCC Search Shows Multiple Filings Under Similar Names - Which Debtor Records Matter?

Running into a confusing situation with a UCC search and hoping someone can clarify the rules. I'm doing due diligence on a potential equipment purchase and the UCC search results are showing what looks like multiple filings under slightly different versions of the seller's business name. There's 'ABC Manufacturing LLC', 'ABC Manufacturing, LLC' (with the comma), and 'A.B.C. Manufacturing LLC' all showing active UCC-1 filings. The equipment I'm looking to buy could potentially be covered under any of these if they're the same entity. How do I determine which debtor name variations actually matter for lien purposes? The seller insists they're all old filings from different lenders who 'didn't get the name exactly right' but I'm worried about missing something important. Is there a standard way to verify if these are truly the same debtor entity or separate legal entities that could affect my purchase? The filing dates span about 3 years and involve different collateral descriptions, some mentioning 'all equipment' and others being more specific. Really don't want to end up buying equipment that has existing liens I didn't catch in my search.

This is actually a really common issue in UCC searches. The debtor name variations you're seeing could be the same entity or completely different ones - you can't just assume they're equivalent. First thing I'd do is check the secretary of state records to see what the exact legal name is on file. Then cross-reference that against each UCC filing to see which ones match exactly. Minor variations like comma placement can sometimes be the same entity, but periods and abbreviations might indicate separate filings for the same company or potentially different entities altogether.

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Good point about checking SOS records first. I learned this the hard way when I missed a lien because I assumed 'Smith Construction Inc' and 'Smith Construction Incorporated' were obviously the same company. They weren't - turned out to be father and son businesses with nearly identical names.

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LunarEclipse

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Wait, so if the legal name on the SOS records is 'ABC Manufacturing, LLC' with the comma, then only UCC filings under that exact name would be valid? What about the other variations?

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Not exactly. UCC Article 9 has specific rules about 'seriously misleading' names. If the debtor name on the UCC filing would make it so a search under the correct legal name wouldn't find it, then the filing might be ineffective. But slight variations that wouldn't prevent discovery are usually okay. It's complicated and state-specific.

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Yara Khalil

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Had a similar nightmare last year. Ended up with equipment that had three different liens I didn't catch because the search results were all over the place with name variations. What saved me was using Certana.ai's document verification tool - you can upload the UCC search results and it automatically cross-references everything to catch inconsistencies and potential matches you might miss. Would have saved me weeks of manual checking if I'd known about it earlier.

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Keisha Brown

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How does that work exactly? Do you just upload the UCC search results and it tells you which filings are problematic?

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Yara Khalil

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Yeah, you upload the search results PDFs and it analyzes all the debtor names, filing numbers, and collateral descriptions. It flags potential matches and inconsistencies that you might not catch manually. Really helpful when you're dealing with multiple name variations like this situation.

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Interesting. I usually just do the searches manually but with complex situations like this it sounds like automation could catch things I'd miss.

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Amina Toure

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You need to be super careful here. I've seen deals fall apart because buyers didn't properly verify UCC search results. The fact that the seller is dismissing these as 'incorrect names' is a red flag. Get copies of the actual UCC-1 filings, not just the search results. Look at the filing dates, secured party information, and collateral descriptions. If any of them cover 'all equipment' or broad categories that could include what you're buying, you need to get lien releases or payoff letters before closing.

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Oliver Weber

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This. Also check if any of the filings are past their continuation deadlines. A UCC-1 lapses after 5 years unless continued with a UCC-3. If some of those older filings weren't continued, they might not be effective anymore.

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FireflyDreams

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But even if they're lapsed, I'd want to verify they were actually the same entity before assuming anything. Better safe than sorry with equipment purchases.

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Check the addresses on each filing too. If they're all the same address, that's a good indicator they're the same entity even with name variations. Also look at the EIN numbers if they're listed - that would be definitive proof of same entity.

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Good point about addresses but EIN numbers aren't always on UCC filings. Depends on the state and how the filer completed the form.

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Emma Anderson

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True, but when they are there it makes verification so much easier. I always include EIN when I'm filing UCC-1s for exactly this reason.

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ugh this is why i hate doing ucc searches, always some weird name thing that makes everything confusing. can't the system just figure out when names are obviously the same company?? like ABC Manufacturing vs A.B.C Manufacturing is clearly the same thing

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I wish it worked that way but the UCC system is pretty literal about exact name matches. There are good legal reasons for it but it definitely makes searches more complicated.

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CosmicVoyager

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The problem is automated matching could create false positives. Better to be precise than accidentally link filings that aren't actually the same entity.

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Ravi Kapoor

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I'd also recommend getting a title company involved if this is a significant equipment purchase. They can do enhanced UCC searches and provide insurance coverage in case something gets missed. Might be worth the extra cost for peace of mind.

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Freya Nielsen

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That's probably overkill unless it's a really expensive piece of equipment. Most basic UCC searches are pretty straightforward if you know what to look for.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Depends on the risk tolerance. I'd rather pay for professional verification than deal with lien problems later.

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Chloe Harris

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Another option is to contact the secured parties listed on each filing directly. They can confirm whether the debtor names refer to the same entity and provide current payoff information if needed. Sometimes that's faster than trying to verify through public records.

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Diego Vargas

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This is actually really smart. The lenders would definitely know if they filed under different name variations for the same borrower.

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NeonNinja

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Just be prepared for some lenders to be slow to respond or want authorization from the debtor before providing information.

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I ran into something similar recently with a client acquisition. Turned out three different UCC filings under similar names were actually two different companies plus one filing error. Used Certana.ai to sort through all the documentation and it caught the discrepancies immediately. Saved us from making a costly assumption about which liens were actually relevant.

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Sean Murphy

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How long did that verification process take? Sounds like it could be a time-saver for complex situations.

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Maybe 10 minutes to upload everything and get the analysis. Way faster than manually cross-referencing all the documents and trying to figure out the relationships.

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Zara Khan

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One thing to watch out for - make sure you're searching all the right jurisdictions. If the company does business in multiple states, there could be UCC filings in other states too. The equipment location might determine where liens need to be filed.

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Luca Ferrari

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Good point. Equipment can be tricky because it can move between states and filing requirements vary.

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Nia Davis

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Usually you search where the debtor is organized/located, but for equipment it can get complicated if it moves around.

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Bottom line - don't take the seller's word for it that these are all just 'incorrect names.' Do your own verification through official records, get copies of the actual filings, and consider professional help if the amounts are significant. Better to be overly cautious than miss something important.

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QuantumQueen

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Absolutely agree. I've seen too many deals go sideways because someone assumed name variations were harmless.

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Aisha Rahman

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Yeah, and even if they are the same entity, you still need to deal with the liens before the purchase. Name verification is just the first step.

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